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Offline elecar

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Re: What if ?
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2013, 11:47:46 PM »
Hi, Low Q, the question was "what if"  The scenario is simple.

Someone creates a working SMOT, it is proven to work and lights an LED.

What are the ramifications for the science world ? do some laws of physics get re-written ?

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Offline DaS Energy

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Re: What if ?
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2013, 06:40:16 PM »
SMOT is the starter of overunity, however it not complete.  Just dropping the ball instead of leveraging it back down, ie wheel to its start point.

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Re: What if ?
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2013, 07:16:27 PM »
Hi, Low Q, the question was "what if"  The scenario is simple.

Someone creates a working SMOT, it is proven to work and lights an LED.

What are the ramifications for the science world ? do some laws of physics get re-written ?
Ah, I see. It would be a bunch of pretty hysterical scientists out there if that was possible to make :-))


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Re: What if ?
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2013, 07:43:12 PM »
Hello Vidar,
Dont see any real problems. Ball rolls out of smot top into cradle on wheel, rolls out of cradle at bottom. Weight of the ball in place of water.
Peter 


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Re: What if ?
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2013, 12:02:28 AM »
Hello Vidar,
Dont see any real problems. Ball rolls out of smot top into cradle on wheel, rolls out of cradle at bottom. Weight of the ball in place of water.
Peter
The SMOT isn't the problem, but the person who views it. It is easy to wrongly imagine how things work if one doesn't fully understand all the mechanics involved - and spooky conclusions araise - even religious.

A SMOT is an arrangement of magnets which can lift a ball up a hill. The ball builds up momentum and escapes from the top. So far, no big discovery.
When the ball leaves the top, the ramp will still attract the ball for a moment, and slow down the balls acceleration during its drop.

So then the surprising part:
When the ball approaches the bottom of the ramp again, the magnets arrangement will cause the ball to be magnetized in such a way that it will repel the ramp (in front of the enterance). I have put out a video somwhere here that prooves that the ramp repels the ball before enterance. The sum of these forces (gravitationally and magnetically) will finally in sum give no net force at all - which is not that surprising. No force to spare, no energy to spare.

Vidar.

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Re: What if ?
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Offline DaS Energy

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Re: What if ?
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2013, 12:18:05 AM »
The SMOT isn't the problem, but the person who views it !
Even worse who not read before replying.
Peter
 
 

Offline forest

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Re: What if ?
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2013, 12:09:10 PM »
What is SMOT ?  ???  I don't understand, I thought we are discussing any Ou device and consequences of public disclosure.
I'm fully aware that magnetic field is static but can add force to already acting one.  The momentum gain can be used to mechanically change the path of movement and thus a limitless move based on gravity and magnetism is possible.

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Offline elecar

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Re: What if ?
« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2013, 02:14:26 PM »
Hi Forest, the question can be applied to any OU device, SMOT was used to keep it simple.

Would the laws of physics need rewriting if someone developed a working (proven) SMOT ?

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Re: What if ?
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2013, 04:07:05 PM »
Hi Forest, the question can be applied to any OU device, SMOT was used to keep it simple.

Would the laws of physics need rewriting if someone developed a working (proven) SMOT ?

This is a silly question.  Of course they would.  Just like if a gravity wheel was to work, or a rubber ball bounced higher and higher each time.  Yes, if you find an example that violates the current laws of physics, laws of physics will need to be rewritten.  But good luck finding that example.

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Re: What if ?
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2013, 04:16:25 PM »
But good luck finding that example.

Or just due diligence :)

or maybe a tennis ball tube :) :)

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: What if ?
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2013, 05:31:32 PM »
Or just due diligence :)

or maybe a tennis ball tube :) :)
Are you claiming here that you've found some new physics by your "due diligence" or your tennis ball tube contraption?

I say, prove it. You cannot.

Offline webby1

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Re: What if ?
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2013, 05:42:08 PM »
I am not sure what you mean TK :)

I know what you want, and if I gave it to you,, well you still would not believe ME.


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Re: What if ?
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2013, 09:30:05 PM »
Hi Eatenbyagrue, I am sorry you find the question silly. But some claim a Smot actually breaks no laws and some claim it does.
I personally find it hard to believe that the laws would be rewritten, instead I think science would come up with a single exception to explain away a working SMOT.

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Re: What if ?
« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2013, 12:52:42 PM »
Hi Eatenbyagrue, I am sorry you find the question silly. But some claim a Smot actually breaks no laws and some claim it does.
I personally find it hard to believe that the laws would be rewritten, instead I think science would come up with a single exception to explain away a working SMOT.

I am confused.  What is this working SMOT you are talking about?  I have not seen one.

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Re: What if ?
« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2013, 02:06:08 PM »
Eatenbyagrue,

I am not aware of any SMOT (Simple Magnet Overunity Toy) that works closed loop.

Elecar,

I think the final answer to this question is:  If  any device, no matter how simple, were made that ran itself and had an output of any kind, then the definition of Energy would be invalidated.

Things would change in accordance with what that "new" definition would be.

So if anybody has some simple to build device that can do this,, even if it uses tennis ball tubes,, they might want to just keep it to themselves because I see a lot of people getting hostile at such a possibility.

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