@markdansie number 1 and 2 falls under same category as a ordinary diode,small amounts of electricity are perpetualy delivered but the physicists will argue(rightfuly)that the power source are fluctuations in temperature/vibration etc. Its when the density of power goes up beyond a certain point that those arguments begin to become blurry.and when the power densities go way up beyond a certain point then we have to start eliminating these arguments one by one(like the eefg).an electret wont give any power because it has no source of electrons to propel along a circuit,its just pure voltage with zero amps but the karpen pile is a type of electret that has got a source of electrons to propel,the ions/reactants around the inert electrodes provide electrons to propel until electrostatic equilibrium is obtained,then when you cut the circuit they just go back to their original equilibrium.its basicly interchange of 2 different equilibriums,an chemical equilibrium and a electrical equilibrium switching bakward and 4ward.thats why the karpen system gives a capacitance as opposed to continued current.did the physicists find the source of energy for the eefg yet?

Q&A With Hanno Essen Regarding Recent E-Cat Test:
http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/05/26/1232/8502322_qa-with-hanno-essen-regarding-recent-e-cat-test/

Go visit the Bruce TPU threads. He has developed a keen insight and understanding of Steven Mark's TPU technology ... like one of his units pictured in your post. Bruce has laid out a fairly comprehensive set of construction details. It's worth following. His threads are progress-oriented and the participants are level-headed ... unlike what is beginning to take over and destroy all of overunity.com.

"unlike what is beginning to take over and destroy all of overunity.com."   lol  idiot

What a waste of page space you are.  Why dont you stay over there where you belong in Roses George Orwell '1984' site. 

"The kicker is that they brought down a HUGE overunity forum, which also proves that they are NOT very popular at all.  Both you and Rosemary have a greater following and readership than all of those fakes combined!  And this is not just a compliment.  It's fact

Chess"   
http://www.energy-shiftingparadigms.com/index.php/topic,2313.msg4200.html#msg4200

Oh my, Chess has really fallen off of the deep end also. I expected him to 'figure' it out by now.     Just like in '1984' he is the voice on the screen, lies and deception. They took down the reader, member and guest counter because they want us to think that we could not interpret those numbers for ourselves. So they must do that for us periodically, so that everything is in order.     What a sham.  Like the 3 stooges, they cannot see their own 'idiocracy'.

Mags

@markdansie number 1 and 2 falls under same category as a ordinary diode,small amounts of electricity are perpetualy delivered but the physicists will argue(rightfuly)that the power source are fluctuations in temperature/vibration etc. Its when the density of power goes up beyond a certain point that those arguments begin to become blurry.and when the power densities go way up beyond a certain point then we have to start eliminating these arguments one by one(like the eefg).an electret wont give any power because it has no source of electrons to propel along a circuit,its just pure voltage with zero amps but the karpen pile is a type of electret that has got a source of electrons to propel,the ions/reactants around the inert electrodes provide electrons to propel until electrostatic equilibrium is obtained,then when you cut the circuit they just go back to their original equilibrium.its basicly interchange of 2 different equilibriums,an chemical equilibrium and a electrical equilibrium switching bakward and 4ward.thats why the karpen system gives a capacitance as opposed to continued current.did the physicists find the source of energy for the eefg yet?

Actually you need to do your homework on number 1. You will find that the energy is derived from the electron spin being put into a wobble.
As for the EEFG device several physicists and scientists have expressed differing views as to the origins of the electricity being generated. I have my own thoughts and all have merit. So the answer to that is not conclusive. The power dos climb dramatically in colder temperatures.
I agree with your answer on electrets, unless they are manufactured in certain ways that for a lack of a 100 page explanation lock in a potential difference that may indeed draw electrons from the ambient.
Kind Regards

@markdansie,ive done similar experiments to number 2.ive taken a piece of carbon and put it in contact with pyrite(a thermoelectric semiconductor) and gotten a small continuous current due to the fact that carbon is a much better absorber of ambient infrared radiation than pyrites but it was small current(impractical).im certain theres much better selection of semiconductors and substrates might do a much better job of differential infrared absorbtion and power output.electrons are like tennis balls,some will always jump up over the 'fence'when it comes to semiconductors.im now working with infrared photoelectrochemical systems that show real promise,continuous current in the hundreds microamp range(surface area dependant),let me work for you guys mark.those dollars into rands(south african currency)would be very pretty:-)

Alas Doctor Watson you have observed this. But you will be surprised if you introduce a third element like an Ionic bridge you may enhance the result. Also if you make many of them small enough and put them in parallel you can increase the current. The right material combination is also a good idea as you suggested.
PS this one is a personnel project of mine I intend to go forward with when the flashlight is finalized.
Kind Regards
Mark

Arthur Schopenhauer once said: All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

@markdansie lol.i know about number 1 from the piezo speakers that ive got lying around,but tell me,out of curiosity,what would you do if some peasant in thailand called you and showed you something of value,what is your process?would you ship the guy to where you are?would that be necesary?do you work for one or many corporates?do you work for yourself?please enlighten us mr mystery markdansie.