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Offline TinselKoala

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Many thanks TK for your answer, the other reason in the end I did not proceed wast he condition I do not talk to you about anything, I do not like conditions. She is laying out a lot of conditions for the test as well. Its interesting, I remember once going to South Africa and very highly qualified electrical engineer had the wool pulled over his eyes by a crafty inventor (magnetic motor) It takes people like you not only with exceptional expertise, but the experience of working with these technologies.
No doubt I will get some abusive emails again.

Email me sometime (markdansie@gmail.com ) I have a question unrelated to these topics you might have an insight on.

Kind Regards
Mark
I was hoping that you _would_ go and confront her, with full knowledge under your belt beforehand and some hard questions to ask of her and her "team". But I certainly understand why you chose not to. Anyone who contradicts her and posts about it winds up on the receiving end of her incredible withering insulting disrespect. It's already started with you, just because you didn't snap to and respond to her instantly with your presence.

I'm off email these days, it's all far too depressing, in between the spam and the phishing; perhaps you could just PM me here with your question. Thanks for thinking of me.
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Offline profitis

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ok @tk.heres a suggestion that might be of great value to you and the electrogenius audience: i noticed that the majority of people here and elsewhere are playing around with circuits centred around at least one inductor/coil trying to get kickbacks in excess of input without even questioning the supposed origin of this 'elusive' energy.the answer can only be found in thermodynamics from a rigorously scientific perspective.the only source of that 'extra' energy is going to be ambient heat intake on the engine when it comes to anything 'overunity' and in order to do that you will need to alter the properties of the core material(the paramagnetic rod stuck inside the coil) so if i suggest that you try a core made of the element gadolinium would you try it?and would you come back to me with the result?

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the only source of that 'extra' energy is going to be ambient heat intake on the engine when it comes to anything 'overunity'
Not only.
What if the spin axis orientation and angular momenta of the core nuclei are altered by magnetic resonance and a coherent current of beta particles is generated in the core as well as confined there by Lorentz forces?

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ok @tk.heres a suggestion that might be of great value to you and the electrogenius audience: i noticed that the majority of people here and elsewhere are playing around with circuits centred around at least one inductor/coil trying to get kickbacks in excess of input without even questioning the supposed origin of this 'elusive' energy.the answer can only be found in thermodynamics from a rigorously scientific perspective.the only source of that 'extra' energy is going to be ambient heat intake on the engine when it comes to anything 'overunity' and in order to do that you will need to alter the properties of the core material(the paramagnetic rod stuck inside the coil) so if i suggest that you try a core made of the element gadolinium would you try it?and would you come back to me with the result?

Are you offering to hire me to do some research for you? I come pretty cheap as those things go, I'm told. Do you want to send me a specific item to do some specific tests? Are you claiming to have a prototype that does something interesting?
You can "suggest" things to me all day long but unless you pique my interest somehow I'm not going to interrupt my busy schedule chasing some random wild goose for you.

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@verpies,i dont know about beta particles being generated but the spin will definitly be affected at the curie temperature.

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@tk..no im not 'hiring'you but it may boost your credibility and wallet if it works.a gadolinium core will for a split second plunge below its very low curie point (room temperature) after each oscillation of current through the coil wheras other cores eg soft iron,iron oxide hav much higher curies(700degree c)and may not be able to do this so gadolinium may fulfill one of  the parameters necesary for that extra kickback boost that these joule-hunters,like yourself,seek.passage through the curie point will cause the need for extra ambient heat intake on each thermodynamic oscillation cycle.   

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Gadolinium:

Your Gadolinium will vanish soon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadolinium#Production

Unlike other rare earth elements, metallic gadolinium is relatively stable in dry air. However, it tarnishes quickly in moist air, forming a loosely adhering gadolinium(III) oxide (Gd2O3), which spalls off, exposing more surface to oxidation.

Gadolinium is expensive: http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/aldrich/211591?lang=de&region=AT

100 g for 200.-- EUR

http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/aldrich/691771?lang=de&region=AT (ingot, 10 g for 160.-- EUR)

Greetings, Conrad

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Offline profitis

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chek out alfa aesar(u.k.)..10mm rod(what we need here),180 euros.yes its quite expensive but may well be worth buying.i must remind the people here that steorn once did an open demonstration of pulsing a.c. current over a nickel core and a iron core for comparison and obtained a quarter more joule-heating from the nickel core than the iron core for equal power input on both.the curie point of nickel is 350degrees c,half that of iron,co-incidence?   

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chek out alfa aesar(u.k.)..10mm rod(what we need here),180 euros.yes its quite expensive but may well be worth buying.i must remind the people here that steorn once did an open demonstration of pulsing a.c. current over a nickel core and a iron core for comparison and obtained a quarter more joule-heating from the nickel core than the iron core for equal power input on both.the curie point of nickel is 350degrees c,half that of iron,co-incidence?

http://www.alfa.com/de/gp100w.pgm?dsstk=040289
40289 Gadolinium rod, 6.35mm (0.25in) dia, 99.9% (metals basis excluding Ta) 25 mm length 425.-- EUR + 20% sales tax + shipping

http://www.alfa.com/de/gp100w.pgm?dsstk=040290
40290 Gadolinium rod, 12.7mm (0.5in) dia, 99.9% (metals basis excluding Ta) 25 mm length 798.-- EUR + 20% sales tax + shipping

Might be interesting, but way beyond what I am ready to spend on a wild idea. In case there comes in some tangible evidence, I might be tempted.

I do not doubt the strange heat results, but why should that bring back more electricity than has been put in? For me it just means that heat loss in a coil with a Gadolinium core is substantial, use Ferrite instead if you want a good coil.

The shape memory alloys are much cheaper http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape-memory_alloy . I saw some Nitinol wires and springs on Ebay for 25.-- EUR. One can make a core with a bunch of short Nitinol wires (like many people do with soft iron nails for Bedini motor coils).

Why shape memory alloys? Why Gadolinium?

Greetings, Conrad

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hi conrad..its to do with the 2 laws of thermodynamics.an overunity device has to circumvent at least one of them to work.the first law says you cant create energy from nothing,very true.the second says you cant collect ambient heat for free(not quite true) so what you guys want to do is make your paramagnetic core drop sharply below its curie point to effect a transition of the atoms from a paramagnetic state(semi-orderly orientation) to a ferromagnetic state(highly orderly orientation) on each and evry pulsed current cycle because for a split second you will achieve a reenforcement of the collapsing magnetic field this way and extra ambient heat(more than the energy that was put in) thus has to re-randomize the core atoms to their original state at the end of each cycle.this is realy what you guys should be focused on,google this'steven j.smith magnetothermodynamics'to see a similar explanation.pure gadolinium is going to be necesary because of its sharp transition point from paramagnetic to ferromagnetic under 20degrees c,perfect for our needs it would seem.

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At a thousand dollars per cubic inch, I am afraid that Gadolinium qualifies as "big science" and thus is safe from my "credibility"... which, by the way, is just fine as far as I can determine. The things I say work, work as I say they do, and the things I say don't work, don't. Feel free to prove me wrong.... it may help _your_ credibility, profitis, if you can.

However, if someone wants to send me a 25mm piece of 1/2 inch diameter Gadolinium rod, I'd be happy to wind a coil or two on it, equip it with a thermocouple, and test it however anyone suggests. I didn't know that the Curie point of Gadolinium was so low.

By the way fwiw, I won a Science Fair competition in the eighth grade with my construction of a Tesla thermomagnetic motor from his patent, making use of the Curie point transition in a Canadian 5-cent piece, which at that time was actually made from mostly nickel.

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..... so what you guys want to do is  ........

.... this is really what you guys should be focused on .....


@profits:

O.k., I am probably a member of "you guys", because I like to build strange electronic things (with very little success).

But you, Profits, why are you not "you guys"? Are you distancing yourself from your own theory? In case you believe what you say, you should also "want to do ..." and "be focused on ..." the same thing?

Greetings, Conrad

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@conrad yes im throwing this to you guys meaning electrical engineers/boffs etc which im not,i wouldnt know what to buy to pulse current nor to rectify it nor measure it nor build the sofisticated circuitry required but i see you guys have been doing this for years.my expertise is more chemistry/physics and ive built a handful of my own overunity batteries so im well aquainted with the thermodynamics laws which govern all energy exchange in all systems.im just amazed that you guys havent been focusing on the most fundamental principal of your circuits i.e. the thermodynamics,the exchanges of energy that takes place between your circuits and the environment because that is where the key lies,in the paramagnetic core.the exchange of energy between your battery and the environment is going to centre in and around the core.im not saying that iron is not going to give an overunity effect im just saying that if it isnt its time to go deeper into the thermodynamics at play here,the changes that are happening in the core is paramount to a success here.   

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@tk apologies,'credibility'was the wrong word,status would be a better word no? Ive already thrown the gadolinium proposal to someone privately and they said they'd get back to me with the result but they didnt and when i recently asked for an answer they evaded the subject like as though i was   asking for their kidneys so there may be something to it.im thinking that rather than let them profit from it let me open source it.testing cores made of pure nickel or mintage nickel might yield good results yes because of its lower curie point relative to iron.im giving you free useful info here tk,get off your couch and go steal gadolinium from the local university,or bribe the chem store cleaner,or just ask them nicely:-) 
« Last Edit: May 25, 2013, 12:33:52 AM by profitis »

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I looked into the Steven J. Smith story:

http://www.whale.to/b/smith_sj_h.html  (a page with many links to writings of Mr. Smith)

Profits seems to talk about this:

The Physics of Free Energy, or Over-unity generators
Entropy - An Expanded Explanation. The over-unity generator by Steven J. Smith, http://www.whale.to/b/entropy.html (no generator, just words)

The fine art of demonology
Magneto Thermodynamics, Part 1 The fine art of demonology by Steven J. Smith, http://www.whale.to/b/magneto_thermodynamics1.html
Magneto Thermodynamics, Part 2 The fine art of demonology by Steven J. Smith, http://www.whale.to/b/mt__part_2.html
Magneto Thermodynamics, Part 3 The fine art of demonology  by Steven J. Smith, http://www.whale.to/b/magneto_thermodynamics3.html

It is always unfair to summarise, but for me this Mr. Smith did too much writing and too little device building. We have millions of words and no working device. That is the familiar picture when dealing with OU claims.

The properties of Gadolinium are interesting, but to see OU is a bold step which needs more than words to be substantiated.

May be I am too simple minded, but I believe in experiments and devices and words are just words. The writings of Mr. Smith are theories based on conjecture.

Greetings, Conrad

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