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JEJEHO

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Best way to submitt a overunity research to public
« on: May 20, 2013, 12:49:11 PM »
Dear All,

Can you please suggest me how to publish my invention of a overunity device to public. I am afraid if I publish my invention at overunity web there is a chance that the moderator or others can delete it.so later I can not claim that it is my invention.I want to submit my  invention to public in a public domain where it can give me an evidence that it is my invention.

Please suggest

Thank you
Regards
Nixon

e2matrix

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Re: Best way to submitt a overunity research to public
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2013, 05:44:52 PM »
Dear All,

Can you please suggest me how to publish my invention of a overunity device to public. I am afraid if I publish my invention at overunity web there is a chance that the moderator or others can delete it.so later I can not claim that it is my invention.I want to submit my  invention to public in a public domain where it can give me an evidence that it is my invention.

Please suggest

Thank you
Regards
Nixon
First I would go ahead and publish it here as well as energeticforum.com and any other energy forums (there are many but these two are a couple of the bigger ones).   Then get your own web site (very inexpensive - you can get 2 years plus a domain name easily for ~ $70 and there are even free ones if you have low traffic).    Also contact Sterling Allen at www.peswiki.com  or pureenergysystems.com which is a big energy news site and it's going to be around for a long while I'm sure.   
Now having said that this site here is supposed to be for open source info.   You can find tons of info here on why open source is the only way your invention will ever get into use and into the publics hands.   The official patent office memo is around here in a number of places that makes it quite clear you will never get a patent on an overunity device.  They won't allow it, it will be confiscated and buried.   If you want to make money from your invention there will be a lot of ways to do so but a patent is not the way to go.   This has been discussed at length here and other forums like energeticforum.com so I'm not going to repeat everything here - do the research.   Get your info out as fast and far and wide as possible because you are in danger of disappearing if you really have something.   I've got 3 documents full of dead and missing energy inventors.   The only way to stay safe is to put it all out there as open source.   

gri

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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2013, 06:01:45 PM »
Hi.

Definitely you will have to search for hosting provider
and the domain name provider.

Then you will install the forum software
on your own hosting account.

Later you will publish your original articles
on the forum of your own
so they could be globally quoted.

Begin with free hosting, free domain name, free forum software.

If you are ready to give a try
then i will PM you the links to the definite providers
of free hosting, free domain name, free forum software -
appropriate, in my opinion,
for the planet of stealing primates.

Quote from: JEJEHO
Dear All,

Can you please suggest me
how to publish my invention of a overunity device to public.
I am afraid if I publish my invention at overunity web
there is a chance that the moderator or others can delete it.
so later I can not claim that it is my invention.
I want to submit my  invention to public in a public domain
where it can give me an evidence that it is my invention.

Please suggest

Nixon

truesearch

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Re: Best way to submitt a overunity research to public
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2013, 06:11:59 PM »
@JEJEHO:


I second what gri says: post it here at overunity.com as well as EnergeticForum ( http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/ ) and EnergyScienceForum ( http://www.energyscienceforum.com/alternative-energy-general/ ).

By releasing it to numerous open-source forums you dramatically increase the chance of it getting duplicated and used world-wide while establishing your claim as "inventor" rather than it simply getting "buried" by the forces that be. . . .


Please be ready to counter the many detractors and nay-sayers who frequent these places. Some appear to visit here simply for the sake of arguing.  >:(

Wishing you the best and hope to hear your "news"!.


truesearch

gri

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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2013, 06:31:37 PM »
Truesearch, be attentive please.
I am not suggesting to post the original messages
on others' forums.
I am suggesting to spread not more than the global quotes
of the original articles
       having been placed at the own forum of invention author.

Quote from: truesearch
I second what gri says:
post it here at overunity.com
as well as EnergeticForum ( http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/ )
and EnergyScienceForum ( http://www.energyscienceforum.com/alternative-energy-general/ ).

truesearch

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Re: Best way to submitt a overunity research to public
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2013, 07:02:32 PM »
@gri:


Oops, sorry! That was "e2matrix" who recommend multi-posting across numerous forums.


No offense intended.


truesearch

conradelektro

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Re: Best way to submitt a overunity research to public
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2013, 07:27:45 PM »
Dear All,

Can you please suggest me how to publish my invention of a overunity device to public. I am afraid if I publish my invention at overunity web there is a chance that the moderator or others can delete it.

so later I can not claim that it is my invention.I want to submit my  invention to public in a public domain where it can give me an evidence that it is my invention.

Please suggest

Thank you
Regards
Nixon

1) Nobody will delete your "invention". If it really is something, many will build it and the word will spread like bush fire.

2) Once you put your "invention" into the "public domain", you have lost control over it. You will not matter any more. It is then completely unimportant who invented it, because it has been given away for free.

I would appreciate that an "invention" is given away (is put in the "public domain"), but you want to be recognised (and may be rewarded), which is a contradiction to putting it into the "public domain".

3) I guess you want to control your "invention" in some way (at least you want to be recognised as inventor). In this case the only way seems to be a patent. The patent application would be enough. Once the patent is filed (with a patent office) you can always proof the filing date, which would constitute some proof that you were the first to write about this "invention". It is then not very important whether the patent will be granted or not. But if you want to commercially exploit your "invention" the "granted patent" will be important.

4) I am 99.999999% convinced that you have nothing to show, just words. Shame on you, in case you are a liar or an idiot.

Greetings, Conrad

Qwert

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Re: Best way to submitt a overunity research to public
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2013, 10:05:07 PM »
...
If you are ready to give a try
then i will PM you the links to the definite providers
of free hosting, free domain name, free forum software -
appropriate, in my opinion,
for the planet of stealing primates.
...

@gri, can you, please, reveal your secrets openly to the forum? There are others (me) who would like this kind of info.

e2matrix

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Re: Best way to submitt a overunity research to public
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2013, 04:08:07 AM »
Qwert if you are addressing gri about free web hosting, forum software etc.  you can Google for that and find lots of them free.  The forum software Stefan uses here (SMF) is free along with a number of others.   000webhost.com is a free host and there are lots of others.   Free domains aren't too hard to find either unless you want an *****.com but ****.info, maybe ****.********.com and a fair number of less desirable domain suffixes aren't too hard to find free. 

Ghost

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Re: Best way to submitt a overunity research to public
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2013, 04:20:50 AM »
Dear All,

Can you please suggest me how to publish my invention of a overunity device to public. I am afraid if I publish my invention at overunity web there is a chance that the moderator or others can delete it.so later I can not claim that it is my invention.I want to submit my  invention to public in a public domain where it can give me an evidence that it is my invention.

Please suggest

Thank you
Regards
Nixon

is it open source? post it here:

OpenSourceEnergy.NET

JEJEHO

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Re: Best way to submitt a overunity research to public
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2013, 08:30:51 AM »
Dear Conrad,

Thanks for your suggestion.

I want to be recognised as an inventor.

I am a idiot or liar , you can decide later after i publish it.

Anyway thanks for your good suggesition friend

Best Regards
Nixon

conradelektro

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Re: Best way to submitt a overunity research to public
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2013, 01:01:17 PM »

A) I want to be recognised as an inventor.

B) I am a idiot or liar , you can decide later after i publish it.


Remark on point A):

Recognition is the most difficult thing to get in any society. One has to fight for recognition and many others also want to be recognised for the same thing. Every "good idea" (which some want to call "invention") has many fathers. Nothing is "invented" out of the blue, there always is a technological history and long development of many years behind it. Which part in this "history" is your part? What did you learn from others? What was your contribution?

The moment a technology or "invention" becomes valuable (can be sold easily because people want it) the fight is on. And this usually means that money will be thrown at it, and the "biggest money" will win.

So, whenever you crave for recognition, you are into all the problems that plague the world. The strong wins, the weak looses. The powerful will have their way, the underdogs are sent away. Money will rule and the poor have little chance.

I do not want to lament, this does not make sense, because it is as it is. And in case you want to have "recognition" you have to take into consideration how it is and it does not matter what you wish for.

In order to be "recognised as inventor" you have to go into the patent system or you can try to publish in well established scientific publications.

The patent system is expensive and there is no guarantee that you will get a patent. And in case the "invention" is valuable it will be difficult to defend a patent, because patent litigation is extremely expensive.

The well established scientific publications will nor accept papers about controversial subjects.

But in principle everything is possible, many people get a patent and many people publish in scientific publications. But in my opinion an "OU claim" is ill suited for the patent system and the scientific publication circus, because you will not be "recognised" easily!

Remark on point B):

If you make an "OU claim" the first thing that happens is that you are called "idiot" or "liar" or "fraudster". You will have to present extraordinary proof and nobody has succeeded so far in this respect. The more your claim contradicts conventional knowledge the more you will be attacked.

The only way to overcome this natural hurdle is to present very very good proof. And exactly this "very very good proof" is always missing.

And it brings us back to pint A). If you want to be recognised to have done something extraordinary you will have to do something extraordinary. And mostly this "extraordinary" has to be in convincing other people and to be very strong in the fight for "recognition".

Remark on "how could it be done?":

In case somebody really has invented an "OU thing" she or he should be a saint. It has to be given away for free, and all "recognition as inventor" and all "will to be rewarded in any way" has to be abandoned. The "inventor" has to consider herself or himself as completely unimportant, like having never existed.

This will make the "recognition game" and the "patent game" completely obsolete and nobody will be able to stop the "idea". People will copy the idea, they will try to take it away from each other, but because it really has been given away for free, the "idea" will march around the world by itself.

And because the world is as it is, this "giving away for free" will never happen. So, keep on trying to be recognise, keep on trying to be rewarded, and you will be recognised and rewarded for what you are. Go to the nearest mirror and look into it, you will see what you are, and you have been and you will be recognised and rewarded for what you are.

Greetings, Conrad

JEJEHO

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Re: Best way to submitt a overunity research to public
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2013, 06:48:51 AM »
Dear Conrad,

Thanks for your reply.

If I have a OU unit, calling the press and show it to them the working and the way of working will give me a recognition or not?.Is it is a good idea or bad idea.

sorry for asking questions.

Best regards
Nixon

conradelektro

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Re: Best way to submitt a overunity research to public
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2013, 09:33:09 AM »

If I have a OU unit, calling the press and show it to them the working and the way of working will give me a recognition or not? Is it a good idea or a bad idea.


Calling the press? Who will come? Will they believe you?

It is the age old "recognition" game. My prediction: almost nobody will come to see your thing, and almost nobody will believe you.

In case that you really have something useful and good, many others will claim that it is their invention. Said in the most simple way, the idea will be stolen from you. Others will exploit your idea to their advantage and you will get nothing.

Whatever you do, it will be difficult to gain recognition and it will be difficult to convince others that you really have something useful. And it will be even more difficult to make money with your invention.

This sounds all very negative. I just tell you what you have to expect. Many people have gotten granted patents, others have published in scientific publications, others go to the press or make presentations, others have written books. How many have been recognised for their OU device?

I tell you a simple truth, nobody has ever been recognised for an OU device. As simple as that. Will you be the first? Chances are, nobody will listen to you. Chances are, you are deceiving yourself.

So what can you do? Whatever you do, the fight will be on. If your "invention" is useful, it will be taken from you. In any case, you personally are the least important part of the whole story.

In my opinion, you should first build many devices which show that your "invention" really works. Build 10 or 100 and hand them over to people who can test them. Publish plans how to build the device on the internet. Try to publish plans in some news papers. Try to make presentations where you show more than one of your devices. Let people freely inspect your devices, hand out plans in the ten thousands.

Even if you do all that, will you be recognised, will people listen? The most likely outcome is that you will be ignored. And if your "invention" is for real, you will loose control of it, others will benefit from it.

Look at the history of all technology which is present today. The original "inventor", the person or persons who started with any technology or science had little gain from it. Only later, when a technology was recognised as being useful, others got the benefit. There are super stars like Einstein or Tesla, but how much was their idea and how much was prepared by others in the past? Tesla died in a cheap hotel room, Einstein tried all his life to "invent" something that makes a lot of money for him (e.g. a refrigerator). He got a nice salary as a professor, but in my opinion his success was important for the politics of his time and not so much because of him personally. (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_einstein.htm, not my opinion, but in some way it could be true.) Are you important for the politics of our time?

Look at the transistor. Who has invented the transistor? Bell Labs made the transistor commercially useful, that is all that can be said.

Try whatever you feel you can do, the rest is out of your hands. Do whatever you want, but look around you, be aware of our world, stop dreaming, stop deceiving yourself.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Best way to submitt a overunity research to public
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2013, 09:55:29 AM »
Dear Conrad,

So much thank full for your advice.

Let GOD decide the rest

Thanks &  Regards
Nixon