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Understanding overunity
« on: May 17, 2013, 11:59:20 PM »

Some claims there is hard to understand something one haven't achieved yet - over unity. However, it can be explained pretty simple.
Getting 2 litres of water out of a 1 litre bottle.


Well...

The laws are OK. The output energy is allways the same as the input energy. This can be demonstrated in a million ways. However, not all output energy that is transferred is useful for the device we want to power. It is the relationship between useful output energy and input energy that determins the efficiency. Some of the energy is used to power other things such as friction, neccessary equipment, and other things that is not doing useful work.
If we can use ALL the output energy, the efficiency is 1 (or 100%).



So, input = output. Output = input.


Output > or < input are false statements.


We can define energy as a result of a process that is going from a higher to a lower state. This is instability and can be an imbalance between two potentials. One potential larger than the other makes the total potential difference between them. It is not possible to have more potential energy between them than that.


Example:
One weight at 1 Newton are 1 meter above ground. The difference in potential energy between the ground and the weight is 1 Joule. This initial difference is the total available potential input energy. Now, release the weight and let it fall 1 meter into the ground. The total energy that is released is 1 Joule. This is the output energy. Why? Because there was 1 Joule potential energy available.


Now, imagine how you can increase the output energy to more than 1 Joule without changing the initial potential; 1 Newton at 1 meter above ground; 1 Joule.
In other words: Increase both weight and hight without increasing them. Is that possible?


This can be translated into electronics, magnetism, whatever. There is a given potential energy, amount of stuff, available. When this potential is emty, there is no potential or stuff left. Thus, there will not be possible to get more energy or stuff out when the potential or stuff is emty.


It is not possible to poor 2 litres of water out of a 1 litre bottle.  Figuratively speaking, OU seekers tries to poore 1 litre of water through different paths, through great complexity, and hope that there will be 2 litres of water that comes out in the other end. Can you do that?


This is how over unity can be understood from my point of view.


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Understanding overunity
« on: May 17, 2013, 11:59:20 PM »

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Re: Understanding overunity
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2013, 09:53:49 AM »
WRONG! Overunity is much like the releasing of hidden , previously not available HUGE potential energy ! Something like nuclear power but ( I hope so) in harmony with nature. This is your and everybody problem - it's not about laws of physics which are fine and steady. It's about the wheelwork of nature already working around us. Instead of dig for oil having this energy STORED inside chemical bonds or instead of cracking nuclear waste we can tap it directly , much like having a wide wave range solar panel....

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Re: Understanding overunity
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2013, 04:23:32 PM »
The very definition of over unity is more output than input. In other words violating the physical laws.


However, it is not impossible to spend little energy to open a valve which allows a flow of lots of energy, but that isn't over unity. That system is just guiding energy from one reservoir into another.
Nuclear power isn't over unity. Hydro power isn't over unity. Wide wave range solar panels isn't over unity. Because the potential energy is already there; inside materials, up in the mountains as lakes, in the sun as electromagnetic radiation.


Now I feel we are in the core of free energy, green energy. It is lots of free energy around us in the wind, sun, and the water falls, but none of them are over unity.


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Re: Understanding overunity
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2013, 12:06:01 AM »
No. There is no overunity as you described it. It's green energy , just source is unknown  :P  Overunity is what name points at : something over unity, if nothing is added from external then it's impossible . The same about perpetuum mobile : it's impossible generalization, but we can point at things running so long compared to common man life time then it's almost perpetual motion ....


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Re: Understanding overunity
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2013, 01:02:42 AM »
No. Over unity is describing something that can have greater output than input. Unity describe something that have the same output as input.
However, and lucky for us, it isn't neccessary to have over unity in order to have free energy.



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In 1979, Joseph Newman filed a US Patent application for his "energy machine" which unambiguously claimed over-unity operation, where power output exceeded power input; the source of energy was claimed to be the atoms of the machine's copper conductor. The Patent Office rejected the application after the National Bureau of Standards measured the electrical input to be greater than the electrical output. Newman challenged the decision in court and lost.


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Re: Understanding overunity
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2013, 03:22:23 AM »

Some claims there is hard to understand something one haven't achieved yet - over unity. However, it can be explained pretty simple.
Getting 2 litres of water out of a 1 litre bottle.



In that case how our vast universe with infinite mass and energy emerge out of empty bottle?  From where Mr.Vidar came?  Scotch bottle?

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Re: Understanding overunity
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2013, 10:24:10 PM »

In that case how our vast universe with infinite mass and energy emerge out of empty bottle?  From where Mr.Vidar came?  Scotch bottle?
2 litres out of a 1 litre bottle is figuratively speaking. Over unity is about getting more out than what you put in.


I came from my mom if you wonder from where I came. I did not come from a scotch bottle :-)

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Re: Understanding overunity
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2013, 11:00:40 PM »
...and this "more out then in" is energy added from external source. ALWAYS. The rest is a mind game

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Re: Understanding overunity
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2013, 11:10:42 PM »
...and this "more out then in" is energy added from external source. ALWAYS. The rest is a mind game
Just like the power companies are doing it, but it isn't over unity.

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Re: Understanding overunity
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2013, 03:46:53 AM »

I came from my mom if you wonder from where I came. I did not come from a scotch bottle :-)



Don't take it seriously.   I intend to mean that if mass and energy cannot be created,  how we came into being?



2 litres out of a 1 litre bottle is figuratively speaking. Over unity is about getting more out than what you put in.



It means you are thinking in a very narrow sense.  Think how this universe came into existance.  With same method you can make a OU device in laboratory also


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Re: Understanding overunity
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2013, 04:50:29 AM »
...and this "more out then in" is energy added from external source. ALWAYS. The rest is a mind game

I agree, the key is too find an external source that will provide an environment for energy extraction/supplement. I have been giving some thought to using Americium-241 as used in a smoke detector to create an ionization chamber. The concept would be to hit the plates with a higher voltage/impulse say 220-110volts. It would interesting to see if a larger current could be created then what was used to charge the plates.

Regardless, a source, that automatically creates a process must be used.


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Re: Understanding overunity
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2013, 04:58:41 AM »
Overunity is:


 antenna = input= output, output, output, output,.......


Battery = input= output, output, output........................................................................, input



Sometimes anyone cannot notice little difference, but that is where the secret lys and that was the great REMARKABLE secret discovery of tesla.


"THE LITTLE INCREASE"  8)


 ;D That's the truth!  ;) 8)


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Re: Understanding overunity
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2013, 11:13:43 AM »

Don't take it seriously.   I intend to mean that if mass and energy cannot be created,  how we came into being?



It means you are thinking in a very narrow sense.  Think how this universe came into existance.  With same method you can make a OU device in laboratory also

There is no proof of where we came from. Just ideas of what was happening.  If matter and energy cannot be destroyed or created, but only be transformed from one form into another, means litterally that these things has allways been present in the universe, but maybe in another unknown form before the big bang transformed it into what it is today. Think of time that went allmost infinitely fast in the beginning. Within what we today call the Planck time (1 x 10^-43 second), that might be equal to a billion years at the moment of the big bang. As time slows down, the universe seems to accellerate apart. My idea is that matter has allways been the same, but time and space has not.


My narrow thinking might be the simplest way to describe over-unity. I would never dream of making a big bang in a laboratory, but I would like to play with harnessing the energy that is stored in mass. Think about it; one grape (or one grams og mass) consist of enough mass, if it was converted 100% into energy, it would be enough energy to supply 1500 average households for one year. But converting matter into energy isn't over unity that either - even if it would take a small spark to trigger it. The energy is already there - in the grape. Again over unity describes more out that you put in, which also means you could hypotetically feed back the neccessary energy to make it self running, and still have that extra energy output to power something.


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Re: Understanding overunity
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2013, 05:00:51 AM »


Whatever it may be,  you have to start from nothing and nothing should remain nothing as per you simple (narrow) 'bottle logic'.   Who started acceleration of universe or decelleraion of time?

Have a look at this nice video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0DT6uljSbg

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Re: Understanding overunity
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2013, 09:52:47 PM »

Whatever it may be,  you have to start from nothing and nothing should remain nothing as per you simple (narrow) 'bottle logic'.   Who started acceleration of universe or decelleraion of time?

Have a look at this nice video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0DT6uljSbg
I don't know WHO started it all, it may be a question of WHAT, or IF is was created at all. Our perception of the universe is too coarse, lack of details, and lack of the ability to see the big picture to understand more than 0,0000000001% of it (Just a figure of speech).


This exploding head video gave me nothing. It just seems to explain how faith determine our perception of the creation. There is no good arguments from neither atheist or christians or whoever about how the universe was made. The brain isn't capable of it, so we make these religious stories so the existence of matter and energy as we know it makes sense. Filling the gaps with crap, if you know what I mean.


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Re: Understanding overunity
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