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Author Topic: BRAZIL - Company is building a Gravity Generator http://www.rarenergia.com.br/  (Read 63623 times)

Offline Mr Summitville

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Patience, Al, patience.

OK, we have been patient for more than a year.
Now, what is the excuse?
How hard can it be to build the 2nd Gravity Motor since one should already exist in Brazil?

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Offline orbut 3000

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I'm not an expert but it looks like the generator may have been sabotaged by internet shills. We have seen a lot of negative comments just before rarenergia stopped posting updates.
Some informed insiders speculated that Andrea Rossi may have bought them out and shelved the tech to protect e-cat from competition, but I think that's unlikely because Rossi seems to be more into real estate investments.
Some reputable economists expect that the current low oil prices may slow down the growth of alternative/renewable energy. 

There is still hope because their website is up, but so is Steorn's.

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Can anyone explain why in this photo on their WEB site is the Sun over the north pole as this photo is looking north  :-\

Offline Adelaidemark

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Below is the link to where this building is in my last post
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@40.7633077,-88.0122511,286m/data=!3m1!1e3

Offline AB Hammer

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Adelaidemark


 Your google map link does not match with the picture. The building in the picture is parallel with the road and there is no buildings of that shape that is parallel to a road on the google map link.

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Offline TinselKoala

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Sigh.

1. The google map link does show the correct location of the plant in Gilman.
2. We don't know what stage of construction the google picture represents.
3. The glowing dot in the photo of the building is certainly _NOT_ the Sun. It is a drop of moisture on the camera lens. You can see another one approximately centered in the photo, on the side of the building.
4. The RAR project has gone silent because finally somebody in charge realizes that it does not work and it will never work, because it cannot work, because gravity is a conservative field of force and cannot perform net work on such an object.

Offline GraViTaR

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Um, did you see my earlier post asking where the building is? http://www.overunity.com/13500/brazil-company-is-building-a-gravity-generator-httpwww-rarenergia-com-br/msg423000/#msg423000

The yellow circle is where the building should be. But from the interior pictures of the machine, the barn-shaped building in the upper left of the satellite image looks like it may be the actual building housing the unit.

We need someone in the Illinois area to take a drive out to 600 East Rd, Gilman, IL 60938 and see for themselves.

Take pictures and ask around. Be a detective. It's not that hard.

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Offline Zeitmaschine

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Possible explanation of the modus operandi. Reply #21835 and Reply #21838.

Take a weight. Say 100 Kg. Suspend it on a spring. Now imagine there were a possibility to switch off Earth's gravitational field periodically with use of very little energy. Then that 100 Kg weight would start to swing up and down and we could use that momentum to do work.

So is there a possibility to switch off Earth's gravitational field periodically with very little energy? Yes there is - if the weight is the bob of a pendulum. When the bob reaches one of its highest points the weight of the bob is completely gone for a moment.

And strangely that gravity machine looks to me much like pendulums lined up in a row.


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Offline Red_Sunset

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Sigh.
1. The google map link does show the correct location of the plant in Gilman.
2. We don't know what stage of construction the google picture represents.
3. The glowing dot in the photo of the building is certainly _NOT_ the Sun. It is a drop of moisture on the camera lens. You can see another one approximately centered in the photo, on the side of the building.
4. The RAR project has gone silent because finally somebody in charge realizes that it does not work and it will never work, because it cannot work, because gravity is a conservative field of force and cannot perform net work on such an object.

A good summary TK,
The Google Earth Satellite pictures can not show the building under discussion (most recent available picture on Google Earth is May2012).
The building and project was started after 2012.  A member of this forum has driven by the site and confirmed the buildings being there and posted pictures of it in "Big Gravity wheel".
Interesting how hypothetical negative everybody is about a new introductions, I would guess that human energy is also "conservative". 

Some time ago I had a good look, wanting to understand how he inventor was trying to achieve the desired & needed gain in this gravity wheel configuration. It was obvious that his objective was to concentrate more weight/force in the down stroke compared to the upstroke.   A small marginal difference could be calculated but not sufficient to be positively in favor of solid rotation. 
During the progress of the construction project one can observe modification/changes to the design of the weight bar, ( the left side of the picture with the weights on the ground)  It appears that here he was trying to find the advantage required for the upstroke.
A futile attempt in complexity in order to save the project I would guess,  an indication possibly that the writing was on the wall.

This concept is an extension of previous patented force enhancements with linkages, work done by Renato. As often said before in this forum, by notable members, "Force isn't Energy".

I think that like so many of us with a good idea, Renato thought he could swing that little remaining obstacle standing in its way in his favor.  I think he was sure he could beat it, because he was so close that he could touch it. Like Wayne I would guess.
What puzzles me that logically he builds a copy in the US of a working Brazilian version, but I believe this might not have been the case.
God's magic hand doesn't release the apple of wisdom to access "all power" that easily. ( I am sure Adam was already looking into "overunity" in those days)

Greetings, Red_Sunset



Offline Zeitmaschine

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God's magic hand ... bends down periodically this strong beam.

Supposed the only energy supply needed to keep that children's swing going is the energy that dissipates due to the friction of the pivot and the air. Then what energy is causing that periodic bending of that beam? Does God know?

So as it seems I was a bit mistaken about the spinning Whip-Top. That perpetual motion or so-called superior force, that children play in the lane with, is actually a pendulum or children's swing. But I was not really far off in that case.


Happy swinging :)

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Offline Red_Sunset

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God's magic hand ... bends down periodically this strong beam.

Supposed the only energy supply needed to keep that children's swing going is the energy that dissipates due to the friction of the pivot and the air. Then what energy is causing that periodic bending of that beam? Does God know?

So as it seems I was a bit mistaken about the spinning Whip-Top. That perpetual motion or so-called superior force, that children play in the lane with, is actually a pendulum or children's swing. But I was not really far off in that case.


Happy swinging :)
Zeit,

It appears that the centrifugal force is moving the pivot because it doesn't have a solid anchor point. Effectively elongating the radius of the swing as it near the vertical as you see the bending.
The same motion like as is caused by the imbalanced weight of a vibrator.  It is not a free force !
The more bending, the more effort the kid need to provide.
This can be verified easily with a vibration test on a small electric motor,

Red_Sunset

Offline Zeitmaschine

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It appears that the centrifugal force is moving the pivot because it doesn't have a solid anchor point.

This does not matter. The continuously needed energy to keep a pendulum going is the energy which compensates the pendulum's friction. That friction is independent of the bob's weight. On the other hand, the bending of the beam is a direct result of the bob's weight. The more weight the more bending the more force.

Effectively elongating the radius of the swing as it near the vertical as you see the bending.

The effective radius of the swing does also not matter, because it compensates. When the bob swings down, the beam bends down, so the bob can collect more gravitational energy, because it falls a bit deeper. When the bob swings up, it loses that extra energy, because the beam goes up, so the bob has to move a bit higher.

And what if the beam would be stronger and that beam would not bend? Then the oscillating bending force would still be present, wouldn't it?

Furthermore the same basic principle is already proven to work here: Two-Stage Mechanical Oscillator

And there is just another free energy machine apparently working on the same pendulum principle: Finsrud perpetual motion machine

As it looks, the Kapanadze/Stepanov devices are also based on the same two-stage oscillator principle but in form of electric versions. 

So, nice try anyway, but I think the age of oil will come to an end soon.

BTW: I don't think someone is building in Brazil a gravity generator that size without knowing for sure what he is doing.

Offline Red_Sunset

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This does not matter. The continuously needed energy to keep a pendulum going is the energy which compensates the pendulum's friction. That friction is independent of the bob's weight. On the other hand, the bending of the beam is a direct result of the bob's weight. The more weight the more bending the more force.

The effective radius of the swing does also not matter, because it compensates. When the bob swings down, the beam bends down, so the bob can collect more gravitational energy, because it falls a bit deeper. When the bob swings up, it loses that extra energy, because the beam goes up, so the bob has to move a bit higher.

And what if the beam would be stronger and that beam would not bend? Then the oscillating bending force would still be present, wouldn't it?

Furthermore the same basic principle is already proven to work here: Two-Stage Mechanical Oscillator

And there is just another free energy machine apparently working on the same pendulum principle: Finsrud perpetual motion machine

As it looks, the Kapanadze/Stepanov devices are also based on the same two-stage oscillator principle but in form of electric versions. 

So, nice try anyway, but I think the age of oil will come to an end soon.

BTW: I don't think someone is building in Brazil a gravity generator that size without knowing for sure what he is doing.

Hi Zeit,
From your writing it appears that you see the bending as a unexplained force,  this magical property is usually due to the unknown. Once the setup is understood, the magic unfortunately disappears.
What do we have: 
We have a pendulum who's pivot sags as it passes through the vertical, this changes the drop distance but this also means that the rise distance is increased the same.  This picture is somewhat analogous to a off-centered & unbalanced flywheel mounted on a shaft that is mounted flexible and allows vibration. the radius the unbalanced weight travels is greater than the radius of the same but balanced wheel.  The bending of the beam, can be also seen as the centrifugal force over-powering the centripetal force through the pivot movement (as a weak pivot), this causes effectively for the centripetal force to lessen as the weight induces the highest centrifugal force in the swing (the vertical) 

The effective radius matters and is the essence of your story,  you have a variable radius pendulum and without looking at formulas,  I would guess that your beam is like a spring that is deformed by the additional energy force created by the increased drop distance.  And on the rise you return back to the beam what you borrowed initially on the way down.  If the beam wouldn't bend, you would have a standard constant radius pendulum with its regular centrifugal and centripetal forces in  balance over the full arc swing.

The centrifugal & centripetal forces are always present,  a movable pivot will cause an imbalance in these 2 forces.

The Brazil RAR system is not a pendulum, a pendulum swings and returns on the same swing path, the back and forth motion duration is timed by its makeup.
Ribeiro's system is a weight system that operate a wheel that turns consecutive 360dgrs.  The system objective relies on increasing downward arc torque vs minimizing upward force requirements by manipulating/modifying the arc forces at play in each quadrant. 

I agree with you that one wouldn't think that someone would build a system this big in Brazil and later in USA without knowing for sure what he is doing.   
It is claimed that he has a working proof of concept model,  the question here would be, "is it a working model" or is it a model that promises a possible working condition if enlarged to the size size seen in the pictures?   
Also why would someone build a 2de system before the 1st system is complete or proven to work with all modifications that took place during the building process.  This might not be accurate but information shared makes us believe these inconsistencies.   Who knows what goes on and for what reasons?

Red_Sunset


Offline Zeitmaschine

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This picture is somewhat analogous to a off-centered & unbalanced flywheel mounted on a shaft that is mounted flexible and allows vibration.

An excentrical flywheel (vibrator driven by a motor) has absolutely nothing to do with the state of weightlessness of a pendulum's bob!

The centrifugal & centripetal forces are always present,  a movable pivot will cause an imbalance in these 2 forces.

This is another wrong statement. At the turning point of the bob there is nothing. No weight, no centrifugal force, no centripetal force. The bob (even if a few tons) hovers in zero gravity for a moment in time. And essentially that's the kick when swinging in a children's swing.

The Brazil RAR system is not a pendulum, a pendulum swings and returns on the same swing path, the back and forth motion duration is timed by its makeup.

Then how do you explain the principle of work of the Finsrud and the Milkovic devices? They are proven to generate OU.

As we can see, the magic fortunately does not disappear. :)

Offline FatBird

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Brazil started building that MONSTROSITY 2 years ago.
Does anybody have any info or pictures of it running yet?

http://www.rarenergia.com.br/

Can you imagine how many BEARINGS that Wear Out & NEED REPLACING as time marches on?
They could have bought one of Don Smith's units with No Moving Parts.
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