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Author Topic: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".  (Read 294817 times)

Offline sparks

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #855 on: August 31, 2014, 08:59:08 PM »
   I believe that he was planning on using this coil in his magnifying transmitter.  I also believe that the mt was to operate at the lowest possible frequency to reduce electromagnetic wave propogation and loss of energy from the transmitter.   The coil appears in his mt patents as the secondary (a') which is inductively coupled to the 2 turn primary.  Tesla was not trying to produce highfrequency highvoltage electromagnetic energy waves.  He was after megavolts of potential creating an electrical monopole in the extensive ground.  The voltage between the top terminal and the ground in the megavolts.   Any electric field emanating from the coil and connectors had to be uniform so as not to produce coronal losses from the system.  Despite these efforts during testing reports were made of a blue light emanating from the top terminal.  I believe that down in the ground tesla was creating an emitter.  The whole ground becoming negatively charged.  This would cause a flow of current in the ground away from the emitter.  Upon relaxation of the voltage the crammed up electrons would naturally disperse.  This would begin to create waves of charged particles oscillating in the ground at the tower resonant frequency.  Not low-frequency electro-magnetic waves but more like electrical compression waves.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #855 on: August 31, 2014, 08:59:08 PM »

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #856 on: August 31, 2014, 11:39:14 PM »
Your preaching to the choir about most everything except the bifilar wound series connected coils in the magnifying transmitter setups.

All I see is either regular spiral coils or regular solenoid coils.
Can you provide some evidence for the use of the [Coil for electro-magnets] in those patents.

Coil "A" the secondary is a simple single wound solenoid. Coil "C" the primary is also a simple single wound solenoid, and coil "B"
the extra coil is also a simple single wound solenoid. The extra coil appears to be shown wound oppositely to the other two coils
and I think that can be done to reduce or eliminate any coupling between secondary and extra coils, not sure if it's a drawing
oversight or just showing it can be done that way.
http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pages/US1119732-0.png

Remember this [Coil For Electro-Magnets] Patent is not limited to spiral coils the patent clearly states that the patent can be
applied to all coil types.

He covers extensively in the Colorado Springs Notes why he needed to minimize the inherent capacitance in his transmitter coils.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #857 on: September 01, 2014, 01:47:08 AM »
  Tesla's patent on wireless transmission of power drawing looks more like a bifilar wound coil was on the drawing board.  Again it is impossible to see it.(http://www.tfcbooks.com/images/patents/645576-1.gif)

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #858 on: September 01, 2014, 06:35:01 AM »
@Bob,

These guys kill me! The canceling effect accompanies the condition of "Self Resonance". They get these mistaken ideas and bogus test results by running zero frequency D.C. current through the  "Tesla Pancake Bifilar Coil" like Conradelektro did in his series of "Super Scientific" coil comparison tests.


Capacity can only neutralize self-induction in the state of "Self Resonance".

They find that the "Bifilar Hairpin" connection measures zero inductance with D.C. current and conclude that Tesla made a mistake! This amounts to the height of preposterousness.


What kind of current does one single pulse induce in the "Tesla Series Bifilar"? That's all it takes to achieve bifilar self resonance. The solitary pulse induces an oscillating sine wave in the Tesla Series Bifilar that resonates at the coils self resonating frequency. The coils Ohmic resistance from "Reactive Impedance" cancels out in the state of self resonance. You need to charge the coil to get the cancellation!


The single pulse induces a resonating A.C. oscillating sine wave in the series bifilar coil! How can a straight zero frequency D.C. current make the coil oscillate? I failed to pound this amount of simple understanding into their thick skulls over a period of years. What a pack of Turkeys! How stupid can people get? It's hard for me to believe that Farmhand is such a simpleton!


Tesla's Pancake coil needs a charge followed by a "Magnetic Field Collapse" to self oscillate. The coil stores enough charge internally from the field collapse , to re-magnetize the field and sustain the oscillation. The Tesla Pancake  Coil needs to be actively oscillating before any of it's characteristics stand out.


 I'm sorry but I have to agree with this statement. A straight dc current will not reveal anything about the bifilar design. This coil needs impulses to shine or even an AC signal.



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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #859 on: September 01, 2014, 05:11:47 PM »
The "Tesla Series Bifilar Coil" can not charge it's own capacitance through the wire coil like a normal LC tank because the capacitance is sealed. Running D.C. current into a normal LC capacitor through the inductor will trigger the oscillation after the capacitor is full and wants to discharge. This may be the cause of the fundamental error our experimenters fall pray to. The "Series Bifilar Tank" won't work the same way. You need to not only charge the wire coil, you then need to induce a "Violent Field Collapse" to fully charge it's self capacitance. You can't test the "Series Bifilar" cold. It's just another piece of copper dead tanked.   

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #859 on: September 01, 2014, 05:11:47 PM »
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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #860 on: September 01, 2014, 10:44:35 PM »
Just going by the patent you linked at the beginning of this thread, Farmhand.  It states that figure two is:Bob

Oh OK , I get you now, but that cancelling of the self inductance so that the currents face only the DC resistance of the coils is
not a result of a cancellation between the windings, it's an effect of resonance or near resonance due to the L and C of the coil,
however with a coil for electro-magnets if no external capacitor is required to get resonance (in other words the coils own self
capacitance is enough C to get resonance with the L of the coil at a certain frequency), then in that case with no external
capacitor resonance is achieved and the resonance or near resonance is what has the effect of the cancellation of the "effects"
of the self induction.

In a coil that is connected in opposing mode there is no inductance to begin with, no inductance means a totally cancelled
magnetic field and that configuration is a coil resistor.  The coil for electro-magnets has the two windings connected in series
adding configuration to and for the same amount of wire as a regular coil has the same inductance, but the bifilar wound then
series connected coil will have a higher self capacitance and therefor a lower self resonant frequency and it is at or near the
self resonant frequency that the coil's self capacitance effectively cancels the "effects" of the coils self inductance then the only
resistance faced by the currents is the DC resistance of the coils windings.

Synchro.
The effect can be realized with any input wave shape, and at or near the frequency of resonance sine waves will be seen on the coil if it is scoped, an abrupt switched pulsed DC input will only show the relevant result according to the input.

Sparks, those are regular spiral coils, The Coil For Electro-Magnets Patent covers all coils and a spiral coil was shown in the
patent drawings only because it showed the arrangement and connections well I think. However anything more than a single
layer coil cannot be a perfect embodiment of the concept due to non uniformity.

Fourth paragraph of the patent, the patent applies to any form of coils. Very clearly stated.

http://www.google.com/patents/US512340

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I would here state that by the term coils I desire to include generally helices, solenoids, or, in fact, any conductor the different parts of which by the requirements of its application or use are brought into such relations with each other as to materially increase the self-induction.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #861 on: September 02, 2014, 03:09:31 AM »
@farmhand:   I'm starting to think that he didn't use the bifilar in the mt.  I am sure he used resonance though in the mt.  The mt patent also shows a generator as the power input to the primary closely coupled to the spiral coil.  And no spark gap.  He also said that the generator could be replaced by a capacitor.  How the heck are you going to induce a current in the secondary with a straight dc input?   Either the word generator was used instead of alternator or the input is dc.  Dc current through the primary on startup of the generator would be induced into the secondary.  The tower goes into resonance and then starts creating a variable loading of the primary generator or capacitor.  Now you have the capacitor/generator in sympathetic oscillations with the secondary oscillations.  Like two lcr's magnetically coupled ringing out of phase.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #862 on: September 02, 2014, 03:18:08 PM »
The "Tesla Series Bifilar Coil" can not charge it's own capacitance through the wire coil like a normal LC tank because the capacitance is sealed. Running D.C. current into a normal LC capacitor through the inductor will trigger the oscillation after the capacitor is full and wants to discharge. This may be the cause of the fundamental error our experimenters fall pray to. The "Series Bifilar Tank" won't work the same way. You need to not only charge the wire coil, you then need to induce a "Violent Field Collapse" to fully charge it's self capacitance. You can't test the "Series Bifilar" cold. It's just another piece of copper dead tanked.   


 Yeah that charging in an active system has to be from the coil inputs(inside to outside). But if you use it passively you can charge the bifilar very easily through normal inductive action(outside to inside).


 Remember guys the bifilar has no other opposition to impulses but for the dc resistance. Reduce that resistance by paralleling and you get an excellent impulse target through it's own connections at it's resonant frequency.


 The bifilar coil I think is the perfect emitter and also the perfect receiver based on the circuit used. The work JLN Labs did shows this. Weather the source is outside or internal it acts like a diode from the capacitance being charged internally. This allows it to be explained by the kid on the swing analogy and  resonance is merely the timing of the pushes then according to the position of the kid on the swing.


 I am also of the opinion that the bifilar pancake series connected coil is an accelerator of real charges. Tesla spent some time on the concept of energizing matter to the point that it is accelerated away then if it is aimed at a target it's hit on the target releases the energy based on speed of the excited matter and it's surface area plus if the matter breaks apart that energy is added as well. Tesla really knew what he was talking about. So there are many things bifilar pancakes can be used for.


 Lets think about this for a second. Charges can be accelerated in a bifilar pancake coil that is serial connected. That increases the potential by the speed of the movement alone. A diode like effect is created from the geometry of the coils and internal capacitance. A bifilar coil series connected uses both polarities of a source solenoid. The capacitance determines the the direction the diode works in and both polarities enter the coil according to the capacitors polarity. Every capacitor has a polarity and this fact should be applied to the bifilar design as well.


 In the Captret thread we discovered that capacity is not sealed at all. That we can draw from the capacitance through the case to extract energy or potential of the capacitor itself through the metal case via the induction between the case and each plate. So unshielded caps are a way to get or send potential via an outside metallic plate. If the potential field is done in the right manner you can ring the cap and get additional energy via the cap discharge through induction and adding capacitive inertia to the system. In a bifilar coil this is the same premise. All capacitance must be figured into the design to get the best results. This includes the capacitance between the bifilar and the external plate plus the rest of the circuit. Every aspect must be planned for.


 The dc component can emulate an AC signal if you change the reference spot.


..... _____          DC Pulse 50v
......|        |
......|        |
......|        |........  AC zero line
......|        |
___|        |          DC pulse 0V


 Now change the reference 0V to middle and you get simulated AC through discharging a cap into a solenoid. The reverse swing is created in the pulse reflecting back into a normal solenoid effectively changing the DC pulse to AC via the magnetic field.
Adding a bifilar wrap over the solenoid should allow you to capture any waste field in the bifilar capacitance as well.

 I haven't done much experimenting yet with the bifilar coil. I am looking for a good spot to call home and get the lab up and running first. Trying for a farm type setup but we will have to see.
 

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #863 on: September 02, 2014, 08:18:52 PM »
You think too much.  ;D All we need is strong magnetic field without consuming much amps.  ;) and you can do it with many bifilar coils connected together, because they are designed for electromagnets. 8)

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« Reply #864 on: September 02, 2014, 10:00:15 PM »
I agree with this good explanation Farmhand.. I think the self-inductance you are talking guys are a lot different from which Tesla says on his papers. I think Tesla is referring to the [Counter EMF]Self Induction of the coil in the COIL FOR ELECTROMAGNETS.

By the way, Tesla never said cancellation of self induction, rather Tesla stated Neutralization of Self Induction of the Coil.

I agree with this statement:Farmhand
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however with a coil for electro-magnets if no external capacitor is required to get resonance (in other words the coils own self
capacitance is enough C to get resonance with the L of the coil at a certain frequency), then in that case with no external
capacitor resonance is achieved and the resonance or near resonance is what has the effect of the cancellation of the "effects"
of the self induction.

I also agree with you Farmhand on this statement:
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but the bifilar wound then
series connected coil will have a higher self capacitance and therefor a lower self resonant frequency and it is at or near the
self resonant frequency that the coil's self capacitance effectively cancels the "effects" of the coils self inductance then the only
resistance faced by the currents is the DC resistance of the coils windings.

Additional info: The Tesla Transmitter and Reciever is a Bifilar Coil when the two Tuned Coils are place near to each other.. Tesla is more into the Capacity of anything on our surrounding, The Tesla Transceiver is working because it is virtually connected with Capacitance of Air and Earth Ground as Dielectric... 

I believe the most simple design which replicated Tesla's work with harnessing the energy from the capacity is Ed Gray.. The Ed Gray Tube is a simple Vacuum Tube Triode that was taken from all Tesla devices..
 For example the rod on the Ed Gray Spark Gap is a carbon rod which is taken from Tesla' Arc Lightning Incandescent Bulb design. I think everyone knows when a metal is heated it will emit electrons which can charged plates.
 Read the Tesla Incandescent Bulb design and look for the world Charge Receiving Element which sound so familiar when we talk with Ed Gray Tube..

If we actually build a device according to Tesla's design then everything is on the right track. I believe you are more focus on Coils but not in the Capacity which Tesla was always amaze.

Meow  ;)

Oh OK , I get you now, but that cancelling of the self inductance so that the currents face only the DC resistance of the coils is
not a result of a cancellation between the windings, it's an effect of resonance or near resonance due to the L and C of the coil,

In a coil that is connected in opposing mode there is no inductance to begin with, no inductance means a totally cancelled
magnetic field and that configuration is a coil resistor.  The coil for electro-magnets has the two windings connected in series
adding configuration to and for the same amount of wire as a regular coil has the same inductance, but the bifilar wound then
series connected coil will have a higher self capacitance and therefor a lower self resonant frequency and it is at or near the
self resonant frequency that the coil's self capacitance effectively cancels the "effects" of the coils self inductance then the only
resistance faced by the currents is the DC resistance of the coils windings.

Sparks, those are regular spiral coils, The Coil For Electro-Magnets Patent covers all coils and a spiral coil was shown in the
patent drawings only because it showed the arrangement and connections well I think. However anything more than a single
layer coil cannot be a perfect embodiment of the concept due to non uniformity.

Fourth paragraph of the patent, the patent applies to any form of coils. Very clearly stated.

http://www.google.com/patents/US512340

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #865 on: September 03, 2014, 08:08:29 PM »
  I made a diagram of how I think Tesla's wireless transfer of energy was to work.  I used just lumped components to show that in a tank the current  between inductor and capacitor is ac whille the voltage across cap is dc.  The secondary capacitance is developed in the tower between Earth and ground with air being the dielectric.  The inductance by the mass and geometry of the copper employed in the spiral coil and the riser to the top terminal.  The whole idea is to get the tower q and the ground q maxed out.  Get the resonance to occur at the lowest frequency possible so you don't start broad casting. 

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #866 on: August 13, 2016, 07:34:44 PM »
I noticed this video today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxcS0oYsBG4

"Ohms law people, ohms law. The wire is a resistor. Assuming the length of the windings is the same, when hooked up in parallel the resistance of the wire is DIVIDED by 2 (2 resistors in parallel is half the rating), when hooked in series the resistance of the wire is DOUBLED (2 resistors in series is doubled resistance). When the bifilar coil is hooked up in series, the power draw is 1/4 of that in parallel. This is a fundamental secret in many free energy/OU machines". 






 

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