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Author Topic: increase OU of captret  (Read 36171 times)

Offline dequadin

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Re: increase OU of captret
« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2013, 12:22:43 PM »
@dequadin.what exactly in the most simple terms have you got ther.a self-charging cap? Is there oil in the cap?are the two plates of the cap made from different metals and is there a trace of moisture in the cap?lets get to the bottom of this using textbook science.

Please understand what is "Captret" first. Then you will know what I mean.
We don't use textbook science, since no "captret" on any textbook science and no "self charge effect" and no "free energy".
if you would like to know where does the terms located on the textbook science, please ignore this post. :)

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« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2013, 08:43:11 PM »
ok mr dequadin.i just thought you might be intrested to know that the slightest traces of moisture in any capacitor will induce standard galvanic voltage and current,especially after its been charged due to chemical changes at electrodes.if you can rule that out then you may be onto something.

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« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2013, 03:10:44 AM »
ok mr dequadin.i just thought you might be intrested to know that the slightest traces of moisture in any capacitor will induce standard galvanic voltage and current,especially after its been charged due to chemical changes at electrodes.if you can rule that out then you may be onto something.
So?? ???
You can say due to the impurity of the chemical inside the cap, it acts like a weak battery.
But can a normal battery run a LED lighting for such a long time I wondered. (I use the blue light LED which is quite power consuming)
Also, we can short every terminal to the ground for a week, and a voltage gaining we can observed after the disconnection.
what's more, the same metal of the electrodes in most of the capacitor actually.
No matter what, how to use a capacitor is your own choice.
You may think it is a weak battery, but what I think it can be possible to be other thing for me to obtain those static charge :)

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« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2013, 03:58:49 PM »
people seem to think that identical electrodes of highly reactive aluminum wil giv zero galvanic but they conveniently forget that oxygen in air and hydronium ions in water both attack aluminum nonstop slowly giving eddy currents in each electrode.the Al2O3 layer thickeness differences will also play a role.you can short it for weeks and you still get voltage,its a slow chemical combustion

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« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2013, 04:01:00 PM »
if u want to strictly rule out chemical combustion you can try platinum,gold foil,or graphite electrodes

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Re: increase OU of captret
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2013, 04:26:18 PM »
Apart of electrochemic processes - a cap with more complex geometry than a perfect plate cap in vacuum is never empty.
If you discharge such a cap by chort-circuit its leads - you nullify the output voltage. This doesn´t mean that the cap is chargewise completly empty.
The sum of all internal voltages in combination with the charge distribution after short circuit is "0".
This means that there are residual voltages and charges which nullify in relation to the leads.
Due to distributed leakage - this residual charge may rearrange after certain time - giving a rising voltage at the output leads.
This effect can increase dramatically if you switch to electrolytic caps, adding up electrochemical processes.
fyr.

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Re: increase OU of captret
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2013, 09:34:30 PM »
Apart of electrochemic processes - a cap with more complex geometry than a perfect plate cap in vacuum is never empty.
If you discharge such a cap by chort-circuit its leads - you nullify the output voltage. This doesn´t mean that the cap is chargewise completly empty.
The sum of all internal voltages in combination with the charge distribution after short circuit is "0".
This means that there are residual voltages and charges which nullify in relation to the leads.
Due to distributed leakage - this residual charge may rearrange after certain time - giving a rising voltage at the output leads.
This effect can increase dramatically if you switch to electrolytic caps, adding up electrochemical processes.
fyr.
good to hear other voices.
So, I would like to ask a question. I know you are mentioning about the "relaxation" of a cap.
however, the time for the "relaxation" should be enough in a week of time. You can compare the different between the voltage different of 2 leads of the cap with the voltage different of captret & 2legs. The result is 2 leads near the same potential, however 2leads & captret around 0.5V in serval minute.
Can you explain why?
Only one thing can let the "relaxation" can't be effective, which is high freq. And that will pulsing the -ve charge from the chemical to be electronic/ionize towards the captret.

I am not going to say the sum of all internal voltage is "0" after short circuit, but same potential. as we know, both 3 metal plate are separated with capacity characteristic. The chemical which should shared for 3 plates, how 3 plates act differently?

Yes, you can say because of weak battery characteristic of a lytic cap. But can how we separate the terms of battery and generator?
chemical process!?who's knows!

So, I am trying to increase the output power from these cap in my project. :D

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Re: increase OU of captret
« Reply #37 on: April 26, 2014, 02:09:05 PM »
what happened in the end ?

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Re: increase OU of captret
« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2014, 03:42:50 AM »
what happened in the end ?

2~3W output has been made, however the power output can't be step-up even scaling up the device in 10 times.
I am still developing and trying to solve this problem.
The output just like a static charge.Even I shorted the circuit, it won't heat-up.
That's what I am facing. I haven't gone! I am still working on it.

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« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2014, 02:45:37 PM »
2~3W output has been made, however the power output can't be step-up even scaling up the device in 10 times.
I am still developing and trying to solve this problem.
The output just like a static charge.Even I shorted the circuit, it won't heat-up.
That's what I am facing. I haven't gone! I am still working on it.

when you scale it do you increase the load potential as well ? Do you make a larger device without a load or same load or increase the load ?

I agree with you that the galvanic process can't be seperated from the potential teluric energy .

IF you increase the load and it rises you however have a classic "free energy " device .  Jean Luis Naudin explains this on his Lenzless generator Page .

Electricity is a expression of magnetism so it's the same effect you should see and we also see it on Bedidni's wheel that requires less energy from source when load battery are empty & wheel is spinning full speed than full battery slow spinning wheel .

+ Bedini claims ( and so do others ) that the wheel spins faster at full mon , chec to see if you get a potential difference at full moon ; )

A little out there but why not

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Offline dequadin

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Re: increase OU of captret
« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2014, 03:43:22 AM »
when you scale it do you increase the load potential as well ? Do you make a larger device without a load or same load or increase the load ?

I agree with you that the galvanic process can't be seperated from the potential teluric energy .

IF you increase the load and it rises you however have a classic "free energy " device .  Jean Luis Naudin explains this on his Lenzless generator Page .

Electricity is a expression of magnetism so it's the same effect you should see and we also see it on Bedidni's wheel that requires less energy from source when load battery are empty & wheel is spinning full speed than full battery slow spinning wheel .

+ Bedini claims ( and so do others ) that the wheel spins faster at full mon , chec to see if you get a potential difference at full moon ; )

A little out there but why not

The load was the same. :( :(
The output still the same.
I have another idea and designs for this project using a special mineral powder instead of the old version one.
I won't tell much. Once I have done something I may show more details ??? ???

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Re: increase OU of captret
« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2014, 03:54:53 AM »
I am planning to apply the cold cathode to the tube.
If the water vapour can absorb UV/RE energy and charge up the electrons produced by the cold cathode, the tube may produce higher output?
I don't know, but better have a try.
If this theory is true, the oil in the capacitor acts like a absorber of UV/RE energy and charged up the electrons within the capacitor itself.
So, cold cathode should apply in the tube ??? I hope so...

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Re: increase OU of captret
« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2014, 04:12:43 AM »
i have a 450v 4700uf big capacitor, i short circuit the captret terminal and +- terminal and release,after 2  seconds,
the voltate between captret terminal and +- recover to 0.2 V and climb up slowly when i using a digital meter.

dequadin, what type of capacitor are you use? is your captret when unconditioned ,the voltage will recover to >0.35V after 2 seconds?

i locate in 珠3角,i can buy all the cap in taobao in a very low price.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2014, 07:20:35 AM by rapbbit »

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Re: increase OU of captret
« Reply #43 on: November 19, 2014, 04:25:04 AM »
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z0k.7385961.1997985097.d4918997.XQB9dW&id=41770328569&_u=j11julnpc46d

this PHILIPS  6.3v 100uf one cost 390rmb about 500HK or 70usd per one, are your cap more expensive than this?

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Re: increase OU of captret
« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2014, 04:55:51 AM »
sorry,i dont understand what you described ,so i draw a pic.is this what you means?


did anyone have using filament to feed electron to the captret in a close system(like vacuum tube)?

Setup:
tin the tube outside with black colour.
captret(highly negative)
positive terminal-> connect to the positive to the load
negative terminal -> to the negative of the load

To begin with, feed electron using filament connecting to a small circuit, then remove.
if the self charging effect is valid, the captret must be charged up with negative ion.


Thinking this way...  High RE(low density of -ve) -> Low RE(high density of -ve)= battery
1. Atmosphere is slightly Low RE. Captret terminal connected here
2. positive terminal of the cap tend to move potential to same as the atmosphere.
3. negative terminal tend to stay Low RE
when connecting captret terminal with much negative atmosphere(Much Lower RE), positive terminal become High RE compare to the captret and push ion to negative terminal. Resulting in draining RE into the cap

So, cap voltage(density different) mean easiness of become Low RE that we really need

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Re: increase OU of captret
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