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Solid States Devices => Kapanadze devices and replications => Topic started by: tika on February 20, 2013, 09:55:50 AM
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Hi,
I am now starting a machine based on the Kapanadze devices.
I have started this topic because the main Kapanadze topic, is just huge. I feel its main focus is on theory, and while it is very interesting to read, it is not very practical for the builder, the information is too spread out.
Basically this thread is a journal of my build. Hopefully, it will work out OK. There can of course be some theory discussion, but it should be limited to what is known or well understood in Febuary 2013. The goal here is for the experimenter to have all the info he needs, to build a state of the art machine as of this date. New threads like this one could be created in the future as the technology gets better understood, and better machines designed.
The stated goal of the Lithuania crew, and others, is to experiment and share their experience to make cheap, unlimited electrical power available to the greater number. Their experiments are of great value, and they have done a tremendous job. Now is the time to make use of their work and start building.
Now, a bit about me, my project, and why I want to harness this technology, by building this unit.
I am an electronics technician, and designer, although I have to admit most of the designs I've done in the last 25 years are in the digital domain, my training (yes, it was in the military) was in lamp-based electronics. I live in France now, but am of Haïtian descent, and plan to move permanently there this summer, which bring us to my project.
The place I will be moving to is a small, isolated, fishing village called les Abricots, in the southernmost end of Haïti. It is quite an isolated place, and yes, very poor. The energy situation there is quite bleak. In the village itself, there is a 20kW diesel generator, which provides electricity to about 100 homes for 2 hours a day. That's it. But the rest of the island is not better off. There is also 2 hours of electricity per day in the capital, Port au Prince. Nightfall there is between 5:30 and 6:30 pm, depending on the season.
My goal is twofold:
A - Open a free energy hacker space. There are several technologies that can be of use there.
B - Give free workshops on FE technology This is the best way to spread the tech. And a third world country is definitely the best place to do that. Spreading of this technology in first world countries is bound to be slow, because there is already plentiful energy from the grid, existing equipment requirements, and an unfortunate general mistrust towards over-unity devices.
This is not a commercial endeavour, and I have support for this project from two local foundations. As well as a great network in the haitian community in Canada and the US to help funding.
I do not have video equipment, but a friend will help me document the build. In creole, french and english.
Any help and advice is appreciated, as, even if this is my build, this thread is meant to help others build working generators too.
This ends this introduction post. The next few posts will expose the basics needed before construction begins, like, documentation, videos and schemas, design considerations and decisions, parts lists, costs estimates (I will give pointers for sourcing, but no advertising).
The world is changing, one project at a time.
m:o)
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Basics.
This documentation is of course available elsewhere. The purpose of this post is to establish doc for this build.
Let's limit this to 4 similar devices. With 4 different coils. This list is not exhaustive either, I may have missed other designs. But to start designing I must limit my choice now. I chose these 4 because, apart from the coils, the electronics is basically the same, apart from the modulating component present in the SR193 device, but it looks likely that can be incorporated with any other coil.
Must see, even if you don't speak russian, as everything is there, and after seeing them two to three times, you'll get the hang on the experimenters' theories. Anyways, the plans are there. This is the best documented project, thanks to the work of the Lithuania team.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxSS0EwR0WonaDGv2rLaWN5jZKipmFHWG (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxSS0EwR0WonaDGv2rLaWN5jZKipmFHWG)
The SR193 2 transformers experiment, demonstrating the effect of injecting cold electricity to a load. While this seems like a much easier coil to build, and the SR193 probably does work. He did not want to share the entirety of his research, and said so, so there is something missing in his plans, hopefully not in the coil itself, but if it is there, it may be that the primary is a caduceus coil, which would make it similar to Fabrice André's device.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i3aQ1Wf93c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i3aQ1Wf93c)
The Naudin coil, which did not work for Naudin, but some replications do seem to work. This coil is an air coil, which makes it cheaper to build and makes parts procurement somewhat easier in a third world country. It also seems very easy to build.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/kapagen/ (http://jnaudin.free.fr/kapagen/)
This device, presented by Fabrice Andre. Now, FA says this coil is based on a 20+ year old Kapanadze patent. That's great! That would make the device marketable without commercial lawyers breathing down my neck (note: must to investigate). Unfortunately, it calls for a tube of oxygen poor copper (< 5ppm). I do not even know if I will be able to find and afford one in France, have to investigate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNveUeEuV2o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNveUeEuV2o)
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Today I received 45mm ferrites ordered on eBay. They are beautiful! Well at least the ones that got here intact through the mail...
Crappy packaging. It will take at least 2 weeks to clear this up. I just hope I will not have to ship broken donuts half-way around the globe. Minor setback. Well, I guess that means I will not start with the SR193 coil.
I had found the very same ones SR193 used on his coil sold by an eBay seller in bulgaria they are 45x28x8mm M2000. M2000 is the material name, unfortunately, they had only 16 in store (they are still there today). I have also spent an entire day exchanging emails with a nice guy at a store in Moscow, they have a good stock of thicker ones, at a very nice price, but when time came to check-out, he realized they did not ship to France.
As I said before, no advertising in this thread, but if someone needs to get a hold of these sellers, just PM me.
So anyway, here is what I got for 50 euros. Bummer :(
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Cool, the Chinese seller will ship me 6 new ones, no problem. I think they will be more careful packing them this time.
m:o)
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OK, before going forward with this, I will post a legal statement.
1 - This particular device has _very_ dangerous voltages present, which can definitely kill. So don't try building it if you don't have a solid experience handling hazadous voltages.
2- If you are a minor, do not ever attempt working with electricity without the supervision of a competent adult.
3- You agree that me nor this website shall NOT be held responsible if anything happens to you while attempting to reproduce any of the experiments and constructions described in this thread.
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Il y a un miroir en français ici:
https://www.facebook.com/KapanadzePouAyiti (https://www.facebook.com/KapanadzePouAyiti)
m:o)
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I got on here thinking that someone finally replicated TK's device. Should of labeled it, "I would Like to Replicate Kapanadze Generator."
There are a couple ways to head on this device. The Apparatus and Method for producing currents of high frequency and high potential.. Tesla's Magnifying transmitter/Transmission of electrical currents thru natural medium.. Using a Tesla Transformer with multiple additional primary/Secondary's. Here are some web pages that will point you in the right direction..
http://www.scribd.com/doc/74052068/Tariel-Kapanadze-and-Tesla-Circuits (http://www.scribd.com/doc/74052068/Tariel-Kapanadze-and-Tesla-Circuits)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhalerman.narod.ru%2FTTCG%2FKapanadze.htm (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhalerman.narod.ru%2FTTCG%2FKapanadze.htm)
http://arto.artician.com/blog/2012/05/teslas-patent-revealed/ (http://arto.artician.com/blog/2012/05/teslas-patent-revealed/)
Resonance is everything in this device. Without it, it will not work. Kapanadze's secret is a circuit that adjusts the frequency and voltage when the load is on, to keep the resonance between the primary, Secondary and the circuit controller. Possible a PLL(Phase Locked Loop). HF Pulses are used and in TK's Patent he has "Points" that come from a car to create the Pulses. 1/4 wave Length is also important, so the length of the wire can also affect the effect of the operation. Possible the ground connection is 1/4 the wave length of the ground currents. Tunning the resonance to match a certain frequency, like the Resonant Frequency of the Earth. The Schumann Resonance, or a multiple of it, could be the right path for picking up the stray currents of the earth.
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Thanks, but this thread should be more about building than theoretical talk, at least at this point. Theoretical speculation is unfortunately where we still stand today concerning this device, and the main Kapanadze thread is there for that.
I will start with the coil specifications as described by stivep (Wesley of the Lithuania team) in video #4.
I have found a great source for µ=2000 ferrites on ebay, with a good price. You can PM me for a link.
I will not do advertising in this thread, but if someone needs to get a hold of these sellers, just PM me.
m:o)
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Thanks, but this thread should be more about building than theoretical talk, at least at this point. Theoretical speculation is unfortunately where we still stand today concerning this device, and the main Kapanadze thread is there for that.
I will start with the coil specifications as described by stivep (Wesley of the Lithuania team) in video #4.
I have found a great source for µ=2000 ferrites on ebay, with a good price. You can PM me for a link.
I will not do advertising in this thread, but if someone needs to get a hold of these sellers, just PM me.
m:o)
hi
how much price u get these ferrite rings?
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Tika, Great Posts, however, most of your photos aren't showing up because they are too big in size.
The administrator Stefan told us 2 or 3 years ago to keep the maximum size under 600 pixels.
Maybe you can re-size them so we can view them.
Thank you.
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The ferrites cost me $45.99, or 36.04€ for 10 each 45x28x16mm thickness.
For the image size, will fix that ASAP.
m:o)
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Tika, Great Posts, however, most of your photos aren't showing up because they are too big in size.
The administrator Stefan told us 2 or 3 years ago to keep the maximum size under 600 pixels.
Maybe you can re-size them so we can view them.
Thank you.
sometimes bigger is better ;), under picture is link u can open and see it
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This is a copy of a post I made in the 'Main' Kapanadze thread. I felt it is important to post it here also, as this is my understanding of the device ON THIS DAY, and will build and tune the generator accordingly. I am still waiting for parts, but have started building coils. I will post a journal entry on that today.
Here is the post:
It is unfortunate that we are still looking to catch the root cause of the energy gain effect. Everyone (including me) has his/her interpretation of the phenomenon. We just know that it is hiding in plain sight.
My understanding on this is that Telsa has patented it, and started building it. The patent's title itself is very revealing, as Tesla named his invention "Magnifying Transmitter". And that is because he could measure more power at the receiver than what was put in the transmitter.
It seems that Kapanadze's devices (there seems to be more coil configurations than one can count) bring in external energy by creating a sharp and brutal asymmetry in the circuit by way of a high voltage spark, into a caduceus or counter-rotating coils.
That is the easy way to create strong scalar waves. An other known way is by creating standing waves patterns in perfectly tuned LC circuits, which is what Donald King is doing in his circuits.
Yet, I see little talk about scalar waves all of the forums... That is unfortunate. I understand there is no real mathematical representation for them, as they do not fit in Maxwell's equations, which only describe fields that are perpendicular to the propagation vector.
There is a lot of scalar waves experiments described on the Internet, so I will suggest Google for documentation. Naudin in particular has some nice experiments that are very interesting. Compare the generating coil configurations to the Lithuanian team's coil. It is very interesting, isn't it?
I also recommend Konstantin Meyl's website, http://www.meyl.eu/ (http://www.meyl.eu/). The 'Documents' section is quite interesting. What is more interesting is that he claims 500 to 1000% energetic efficiency using scalar wave transmission at low voltage.
Please reply to the original post at http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/16260/#.UTH99zdfbQI (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/16260/#.UTH99zdfbQI). This thread is intended for building documentation and should stay concise and to the point, it should not be cluttered with long theoretical discussions. I will copy here relevant information as I see fit.
m:o)
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Excellent idea tika. Nice work in setting all this up for such a good cause. It's also nice having a largely build related thread in the Kapanadze device. Best of luck with your build.
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I think you should work from Kapanadze's patents rather than Naudin's non-replication.
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I think you should work from Kapanadze's patents rather than Naudin's non-replication.
I plan to build 4 coils, plus the condenser 'option' on the Lithuanian coil. The HV driver will be the same, though. Some people seem to have gotten decent results with that coil, and it seems fairly easy and cheap to build, so why not ? The copper can always be reused.
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I need a signal generator, for tuning the beast. It should have the following features:
- Range from 15kHz to 20~30MHz
- Sinusoidal wave output and its 180 degrees phase.
- Square wave output with adjustable duty cycle.
- TTL or CMOS level at least.
- Frequency sweep would be nice.
Since I don't have 1000€ to invest right now, I was looking into building one from scratch. But aside from the time it will take me, I know it will cost at least 75€, the frequency sweep alone is not a trivial matter since the requirements demand a VCO that will cover that frequency range AND give me a perfect sine wave.
Fortunately I've found this little DDS module based on an AD9850 on eBay. It fits all of my requirements, and can handle up to 23 million frequency changes per second for a fairly smooth sweeping. The only thing is that the sine output impedance is a bit high at 150k. I will add a high performance opamp (an OPA4350UA) that will give me the drive I need. I have an Arduino laying around for driving it. I will post the source code here when done.
So things are not turning out too badly on this one as this is much needed piece of equipment. I will end up having a compact, high precision signal generator, with a USB interface for under 30€, and a couple of days' work (that's if I do make a Windows user interface for it).
m:o)
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Excellent idea tika. Nice work in setting all this up for such a good cause. It's also nice having a largely build related thread in the Kapanadze device. Best of luck with your build.
Thanks. I see it is simply something that needs done. I do believe the technology works. That's where it's really needed. The third world is the place where DYI-based deployment can be blazingly fast. And les Abricots, where I'm headed is a very nice place to be, with such nice people it really makes you wonder where the rest of the world went wrong. I have friends there, I can help, and can have a good life to go along with it, is all. After all, the place is also called "Paradis des Indiens" because the indian natives believed that was the place where good souls went to rest.
As for the documentation, imho there is NO documentation for the moment, it just is scattered in too many places and riddled with riddles. I know we don't understand what makes it work, but does it really matter if there is a working device? An easy to follow, step by step pdf build guide is all the world needs right now to get an energy revolution going. And I cannot understand why it hasn't been done yet, as complete written documentation is the scientific way of doing things. I am not angry, but I just don't get it. The theoreticians can keep arguing while the first generation of generators are built, and you can rest assured some tinkerer deep in the Sahel desert or the mountains of Cambodia will find a more efficient, easier to build configuration. Poverty does make one resourceful.
Enough rambling... I will start coiling the SR193 coil today, using the incomplete documentation he left for posterity. Oh well... Will do my best.
m:o)
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Hi tika,
I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments. We do need to be free from the fetters of establishment. Politcs aside, I think that the circuit posted below seems to embody all the aspects required for a working machine. What do you think?
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I will add a high performance opamp (an OPA4350UA) that will give me the drive I need.
I personally prefer a BUF634T, because it's fast and has a higher output current. The price is roughly the same.
Good luck for your Project - and Success !
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I personally prefer a BUF634T, because it's fast and has a higher output current. The price is roughly the same.
Good luck for your Project - and Success !
It does seem to kick a a nice punch, but in this particular case, I need a single supply rail to rail amplifier.
m:o)
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Hi tika,
I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments. We do need to be free from the fetters of establishment. Politcs aside, I think that the circuit posted below seems to embody all the aspects required for a working machine. What do you think?
I don't know... It looks like the SR193 coil, but as is, the relay in the upper right corner would make a lot of noise and not last very long at any frequency...
Are these caduceus coils there ? If they are they are connected to what seems like the 50Hz modulation... No, this plan does not make any sense and there is too muck information missing. The coil information may be right, but who knows?
m:o)
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Most of us, in this room are either pursuing/have pursued FE for hobby/ search of the arcane or for commercial reasons.
You claim, on the contrary Tika, you want to solve a real problem as the lack of electricity in your village. Is the cost of the diesel fuel for the generator that limits its electricity availability?
If the answer is yes, consider running that generator from other energy source as biofuels as woodchips or even grass.
Woodgas coversion of woodchips (biofuels) is an art in itself, provides sustainability, etc etc. of course other renewable energy sources can be used (better) as photovoltaics or wind generators, but their initial cost is considerable even for developed contries.
Your best bet to deal with energy availability is REAL terms, in REAL life for many KWs, at LOW cost, using a RENeWABLE /easily available resource, at a low to moderate investment cost is to master the woodgaz technique in my humbvle oppinion. Pursuing this FE movement in order to solve your today (or even tomorrow) needs is like chasing ghosts for a living :P
and bear in mind free energy is nothing but free..
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Ferrite: A good source of ferrite is in the yoke of an old style crt tv or montor. Most people are throwing these away so you should be able to get a sufficient quantity for free. You then crush the ferrite up and make whatever form you need.
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It does seem to kick a a nice punch, but in this particular case, I need a single supply rail to rail amplifier.
m:o)
@tika
What do you think about a LM6321 then ? It has a (also a single) supply Voltage from 4.75 to max. 36 Volt. Available, e.g. at eBay (from China or UK) for ~ 7 US $.
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Most of us, in this room are either pursuing/have pursued FE for hobby/ search of the arcane or for commercial reasons.
You claim, on the contrary Tika, you want to solve a real problem as the lack of electricity in your village.
There are also those who claim doing it for the betterment of mankind, I am not the only one pursuing that goal as stated here: http://www.overunity.com/ (http://www.overunity.com/), or am I reading it wrong ?
My other stated goal is to help others in _this_ community.
Is the cost of the diesel fuel for the generator that limits its electricity availability?
If the answer is yes, consider running that generator from other energy source as biofuels as woodchips or even grass.
Woodgas coversion of woodchips (biofuels) is an art in itself, provides sustainability, etc etc. of course other renewable energy sources can be used (better) as photovoltaics or wind generators, but their initial cost is considerable even for developed contries.
Your best bet to deal with energy availability is REAL terms, in REAL life for many KWs, at LOW cost, using a RENeWABLE /easily available resource, at a low to moderate investment cost is to master the woodgaz technique in my humbvle oppinion. Pursuing this FE movement in order to solve your today (or even tomorrow) needs is like chasing ghosts for a living :P
and bear in mind free energy is nothing but free..
I understand your kind warning.
My budget is less than 400€. That's no more than the average price for a prototype at this level of complexity. I already had all the tools necessary before starting this project, and a small components stock.
Here's a fairly accurate article from Wired about electricity in Haïti: http://haitirewired.wired.com/profiles/blogs/powering-lights-and-progress-in-haiti (http://haitirewired.wired.com/profiles/blogs/powering-lights-and-progress-in-haiti)
Here's my estimate of the power output needed, in the near future. Population in les Abricots is about 24.000, there are now about 200 homes with a hookup, and the diesel generator was giving out 20kW when new. Electricity is now used to charge cell phones and run one or two CFL bulbs in each home. There is no way that in the near future the average family budget will allow buying fridges and the likes, the minimum wage there being 80 euros/month. So each kW would bring light to around ten homes, and that figure is unlikely to change for the next two to three years.
For more isolated homes, even 1kW is way too much power at this time. So I am pursuing other avenues, such as recycling/recharging alkaline batteries, learning to build crystal, earth and concrete cells. I am also stocking up on SMD LEDs that can be locally assembled in light 'bulbs', which will be adapted to the power source.
I do understand true wattage in FE is elusive, as I started taking a keen interested in this topic about ten years ago now. I just did not have the time to experiment then. I understand also that the only real use I could get from such a generator is brightly lighted lamps fed with cold electricity. But that is exactly what is needed now, cooking heat is also needed, but that is less urgent, at least in the part of the country I'm interested in.
A very important fact is that there is no existing equipment that need large amount of 'standardized' power, except for the school's computer room, which is already self-sufficient and funded.
Right now, I already have something to take with me there, a combination of crystal and/or earth cells with easy to build, cheap joule thieves using small air coils.
I have been involved professionally in electronic design since 1990, I am also familiar with high frequency circuits and their peculiarities (I was a radar technician in the french navy in the early 80s). I am now unemployed like many here in France, where the economic situation is getting worse by the day.
So why shouldn't I take the chance of building a 400€ (max) prototype that could enable kids to study after 6pm, when it gets dark? I figure that since I have the time, technical knowledge, and the means to do it, trying my best to give more is not such a big risk to take. In fact, not doing anything would be riskier. And it's fun, too!
The project is not commercial, as my intent is to bring whatever knowledge I have gained from these experiments and help young people to have some sort of economic activity by passing along the information and help them start their own small businesses. As for my own financial well-being, I don't really need much, and I have skills and experience I can exploit as needed, and also a large network of family and friends I can count on in Haïti.
m:o)
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@tika
What do you think about a LM6321 then ? It has a (also a single) supply Voltage from 4.75 to max. 36 Volt. Available, e.g. at eBay (from China or UK) for ~ 7 US $.
@overschuss
It is a nice op amp, but does not have not rail-to-rail output. Also, it is a single op amp, the OPA4350 is a quad, which will allow me to create a virtual ground output, thus faking AC outputs over the entire range. Placing a cap in series will not work well over such a frequency range, as the cap will react with stray losses in the circuit and create a filter.
A large output current is not that important, as this device is intended to find resonant frequency and the outputs will be in series with a 4.7k to 10k resistor. Also, beware of the (smaller) print in the datasheet, if you ever intend on using this opamp on a +-15V dual supply some day, as there is a +-7 volts max limit between input and output voltage, that indicator "Input to Output Voltage" is actually the parameter that indicates non rail-to-rail outputs.
Op amp selection is always a delicate operation and, before Internet, it could sometimes take a couple of days to find the right component as it would involve reading data sheets from really thick catalogs, from different vendors.
Also when large power is needed, there is always this technique, which is very efficient, but does not protect the op amp from a dead short, unless a base transistor is included, that will not influence the rest of the circuit, though. You also need to select the right transistors for high frequency operation, it is not rail-to rail, but will get quite close to the supply voltages. The trick is to include transistors in the feedback loop. Works for simple buffers, and positive gain amplifiers too.
m:o)
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@ Hello tika,
you seem fully aware in your goals set, and determined to pursue them. Then i can only applaud your effort, plus you would enrich this forum with high grade technical know how. :)
Cheers,
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@overschuss
It is a nice op amp, but does not have not rail-to-rail output. Also, it is a single op amp, the OPA4350 is a quad, which will allow me to create a virtual ground output, thus faking AC outputs over the entire range. Placing a cap in series will not work well over such a frequency range, as the cap will react with stray losses in the circuit and create a filter.
A large output current is not that important, as this device is intended to find resonant frequency and the outputs will be in series with a 4.7k to 10k resistor. Also, beware of the (smaller) print in the datasheet, if you ever intend on using this opamp on a +-15V dual supply some day, as there is a +-7 volts max limit between input and output voltage, that indicator "Input to Output Voltage" is actually the parameter that indicates non rail-to-rail outputs.
Op amp selection is always a delicate operation and, before Internet, it could sometimes take a couple of days to find the right component as it would involve reading data sheets from really thick catalogs, from different vendors.
Also when large power is needed, there is always this technique, which is very efficient, but does not protect the op amp from a dead short, unless a base transistor is included, that will not influence the rest of the circuit, though. You also need to select the right transistors for high frequency operation, it is not rail-to rail, but will get quite close to the supply voltages. The trick is to include transistors in the feedback loop. Works for simple buffers, and positive gain amplifiers too.
m:o)
Is your choice of npn and pnp transistors in the output stage to prevent a ground loop?
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Hi tika,
I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments. We do need to be free from the fetters of establishment. Politcs aside, I think that the circuit posted below seems to embody all the aspects required for a working machine. What do you think?
Hi Grumage
On top showed transformer (colored coil) which one in the circuit diagram? where is roman number or bottom one?
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I don't know... It looks like the SR193 coil, but as is, the relay in the upper right corner would make a lot of noise and not last very long at any frequency...
Are these caduceus coils there ? If they are they are connected to what seems like the 50Hz modulation... No, this plan does not make any sense and there is too muck information missing. The coil information may be right, but who knows?
m:o)
Hi tika,
Study the circuit a bit longer as I have done. The relay will not chatter as it is there to apply load when the circuit is fully opperational. And I think the modulation coils are bifilar not Caudaceus. But as you say there is little info (as is the case with all these devices!) I Have already wound the base coil and got 5 X 5 ferrites installed with the gap in the middle. It is the next set of windings that is the challenge. Are they counter wound? Like Don Smith suggests? Should there be a Copper ring between the Ferrite sets? The questions are endless :-\
I suppose it is time to bite the bullet and at least try a set of bifilar and see what happens!!
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Hi Grumage
On top showed transformer (colored coil) which one in the circuit diagram? where is roman number or bottom one?
Hi zcsaba77,
Yes the coloured coil relates to the bottom one in the schematic.
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Hi Tika
great start on this topic
In the energy amplification thread, and most recently added yt video of a french guy on kapanadze that took him 10 years to have a working one....maybe as a suggestion to pick up some pointers on the coils ...
Hope you can give some construction details like the copper pipes coil set up circuit ....would love to have that kapanadze ......
with your expertise as a plus factor..... and a mindset on miminum budget .... ill go for it....also.... thanks totoalas
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Hi zcsaba77,
Yes the coloured coil relates to the bottom one in the schematic.
...and who it look upper one?
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...and who it look upper one?
Hi zcsaba77.
My own theory for the top transformer is that it further boosts the voltage from the output coil and as a byproduct, improves the output waveform to a decent sinewave. Eary tests on my coil and ferrite setup (without bias coils) Secondary winding of 30 turns 2 layers, lit a 40 W incandescent lamp to about 1/4 bright.
Looking back I should have tried a transformer. The major problem is that you can't apply test equipment to the circuit because of the HF that's flying about!!
It is still early evening, I shall see if a transformer does anything.
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Hi zcsaba77.
My own theory for the top transformer is that it further boosts the voltage from the output coil and as a byproduct, improves the output waveform to a decent sinewave. Eary tests on my coil and ferrite setup (without bias coils) Secondary winding of 30 turns 2 layers, lit a 40 W incandescent lamp to about 1/4 bright.
Looking back I should have tried a transformer. The major problem is that you can't apply test equipment to the circuit because of the HF that's flying about!!
It is still early evening, I shall see if a transformer does anything.
... you have about this transformer picture?
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Hi zcsaba77.
My own theory for the top transformer is that it further boosts the voltage from the output coil and as a byproduct, improves the output waveform to a decent sinewave. Eary tests on my coil and ferrite setup (without bias coils) Secondary winding of 30 turns 2 layers, lit a 40 W incandescent lamp to about 1/4 bright.
Looking back I should have tried a transformer. The major problem is that you can't apply test equipment to the circuit because of the HF that's flying about!!
It is still early evening, I shall see if a transformer does anything.
@grumage:
What you have is at best an incomplete schematics, a design in progress, there are several key parts missing, such as base resistors and supply caps. Besides, this thread is about builds based on the schematics in the header post, and was started specifically for these, to limit clutter and provide documentation for these. Not that your questions do not deserve an answer, but I'd like, for the sake of clarity to keep side talk here to the minimum. The forum format is already fairly confusing for documentation.
Also, as zcaba77 pointed out, it is difficult to discuss a rough schematics like the one you presented here without knowing a bit more about its origin. There are many schematics that look just like that, that were posted onto forums to illustrate suppositions as to what exactly was shown in replication videos, or to illustrate theories of operation. I suggest you review thoroughly the schematics before powering up and check for conditions that could blow transistors, and add DC supplies caps, as the circuit will not perform well without them.
m:o)
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Hi guys is this setup good for a monitor flyback instead of an MOT?
Thanks
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Hi Tika
great start on this topic
In the energy amplification thread, and most recently added yt video of a french guy on kapanadze that took him 10 years to have a working one....maybe as a suggestion to pick up some pointers on the coils ...
Hope you can give some construction details like the copper pipes coil set up circuit ....would love to have that kapanadze ......
with your expertise as a plus factor..... and a mindset on miminum budget .... ill go for it....also.... thanks totoalas
Thanks, while shopping, you will realize that the most expensive items are the ferrite cores. So take your time while shopping and make sure before buying that the ferrite material has a high magnetic permeability, the µ factor. Second on the list are the high voltage diodes and caps. Also look for deals on electrical wire and tape, you will need quite a bit of these, depending on the coil you decide to build.
There is on ebay alone a factor of 10 between prices for the same part! And if it takes 2 weeks or more to get a part from China, then that's the time it takes... Also power transistors and heat sinks can be salvaged from old equipment. To be successful in keeping under budget, you have to really be careful and spend a great deal of time looking for the best deals.
m:o)
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Hi Tika thanks for the tips... as Im in China so parts abound here .... I have 20 pcs of crt yokes I used in my ss ssg... and mostly copper and cables are cheap.....
if you can give directions on the parts, size dimensions we start one step at a time......collecting them
we ll be monitoring your development......
thanks totoalas
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Hi guys is this setup good for a monitor flyback instead of an MOT?
Thanks
Hi guruji, Im using flyswatter output in a closed loop with the 2 windings of flyback - 12 v dc relay no spark gap then to terminals 2 , 6 and 7 shorted, 10 to a 10 Turns 18 ga to the ferrite core then back to the flyswatter..... Output is a jacobs ladder 3 cm plasma which I intend to use for the kapanadze coils . check my yt Energy Amplification Pt 3 Jacobs Ladder 030313 totoalas
I tried this set upt with flyswatter in Energy Amplification Pt. 2 and both caps charged up.......(circuit in the Energy Amplification thread)
The latest video in OU about a french guy in the mountain showed earth, battery, small spark then kapanadze to 1.7 kw lamps then to a heater
that means its doable only on the conversion of spark to energy we need to concentrate... the ist part using off the shelf materials
totoalas :)
For the meantime we can use hybrid Kapanadze to simplify and amplify.... a guy in yt used two ignition coils in parallel using 150 uf 350 v ac caps in series and a 600 watts dimmer using 220 v ac as power source and a spark of 3 inches thats strong enough in my understanding ......
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Here is the record for construction of the Lithuanian coil, made following Wesley's (stivep) instructions in video #4.
The original specs:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46534385@N03/sets/72157632914591379/
My build:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46534385@N03/sets/72157632918473710/
I will update the latter set of pics with the secondary in place. I still have to upload the pics.
m:o)
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Hi guys is this setup good for a monitor flyback instead of an MOT?
Thanks
There is a very important thing to point out about this. An MOT will give out an AC voltage. Most TV flyback have a diode and a voltage tripler inside and give out a DC voltage. From what I understand, an AC voltage supply is needed. But I'm only 80% sure of that... I have received 4 flyback transformers today and will post info about that tonight or tomorrow.
m:o)
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There is a very important thing to point out about this. An MOT will give out an AC voltage. Most TV flyback have a diode and a voltage tripler inside and give out a DC voltage. From what I understand, an AC voltage supply is needed. But I'm only 80% sure of that... I have received 4 flyback transformers today and will post info about that tonight or tomorrow.
m:o)
Hi Tika I think the flyback is good for dc/ rectifier pulsing coils and another coil for ac load as discussed in the energy amplification thread
well see where it will lead us
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Hi guruji, Im using flyswatter output in a closed loop with the 2 windings of flyback - 12 v dc relay no spark gap then to terminals 2 , 6 and 7 shorted, 10 to a 10 Turns 18 ga to the ferrite core then back to the flyswatter..... Output is a jacobs ladder 3 cm plasma which I intend to use for the kapanadze coils . check my yt Energy Amplification Pt 3 Jacobs Ladder 030313 totoalas
I tried this set upt with flyswatter in Energy Amplification Pt. 2 and both caps charged up.......(circuit in the Energy Amplification thread)
The latest video in OU about a french guy in the mountain showed earth, battery, small spark then kapanadze to 1.7 kw lamps then to a heater
that means its doable only on the conversion of spark to energy we need to concentrate... the ist part using off the shelf materials
totoalas :)
For the meantime we can use hybrid Kapanadze to simplify and amplify.... a guy in yt used two ignition coils in parallel using 150 uf 350 v ac caps in series and a 600 watts dimmer using 220 v ac as power source and a spark of 3 inches thats strong enough in my understanding ......
All the builds I've seen use spark gaps in the mm range. A spark will form at between 1 and 2kV per mm of gap depending on air humidity. SR193 was talking about a minimum of 3kV supply to start seeing see OU effects. Start low and go up, 3 inches sparks will make for a quite unruly circuit, when using a spark gap in series with the load, and working around it would be hazardous at best if not downright impossible when powered. It will also make placing other components such as diodes and caps very difficult, as you would need to drown them in epoxy, or mineral oil.
m:o)
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All the builds I've seen use spark gaps in the mm range. A spark will form at between 1 and 2kV per mm of gap depending on air humidity. SR193 was talking about a minimum of 3kV supply to start seeing see OU effects. Start low and go up, 3 inches sparks will make for a quite unruly circuit, when using a spark gap in series with the load, and working around it would be hazardous at best if not downright impossible when powered. It will also make placing other components such as diodes and caps very difficult, as you would need to drown them in epoxy, or mineral oil.
m:o)
Just found the yt channel comment of RimstarOrg High Power mains Powered Ignition Coil Driver circuit YT lokeycmos check this out maybe you can replace the ignition coils with flyback lol
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Should there be a Copper ring between the Ferrite sets? The questions are endless :-\
IMO the copper (or brass) ring is essential.
Also, the greater the diameter of this ring and "ferrite sets", the better the device operates.
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Just found the yt channel comment of RimstarOrg High Power mains Powered Ignition Coil Driver circuit YT lokeycmos check this out maybe you can replace the ignition coils with flyback lol
That's interesting, but I don't see where this relates to Kapanadze's devices.
m:o)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6hVasVR7AI&list=PLC7684829E98CAD74&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6hVasVR7AI&list=PLC7684829E98CAD74&feature=player_embedded)
this guy used the spark from battery and earth to amplify in kapanadze
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6hVasVR7AI&list=PLC7684829E98CAD74&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6hVasVR7AI&list=PLC7684829E98CAD74&feature=player_embedded)
this guy used the spark from battery and earth to amplify in kapanadze
Yes, I know. With an adequate HV supply, not one giving out a 3 inch spark. Check his spark gap.
m:o)
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Thanks Totalas and Tika for response. Yes Modern flybacks have diode in them as said. Today I hooked the Flyback to the cap in series to the coils and then the SG to earth. Light was very bright on bulb but was flickering. Maybe if I put alot of ferrites in coil I hold voltage and stop flikkering.
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Thanks Totalas and Tika for response. Yes Modern flybacks have diode in them as said. Today I hooked the Flyback to the cap in series to the coils and then the SG to earth. Light was very bright on bulb but was flickering. Maybe if I put alot of ferrites in coil I hold voltage and stop flikkering.
Cool, those are encouraging results indeed! Just a thought: if the HV is too high, a lot of power will escape to ground though the spark gap, the transistor will get very hot and the DC supply may collapse, that will cause flickering. Did you check the DC supply to the flyback? If it is collapsing, you need to either get more power available there, or lower the voltage to limit the loss though the spark gap, or a slightly wider spark gap if less than 1mm ?
Good luck!
m:o)
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Thanks Totalas and Tika for response. Yes Modern flybacks have diode in them as said. Today I hooked the Flyback to the cap in series to the coils and then the SG to earth. Light was very bright on bulb but was flickering. Maybe if I put alot of ferrites in coil I hold voltage and stop flikkering.
Thats good news
more exploratory experiments to follow and hope to develop a hybrid if not a so FREE Energy which is so elusive lol
I tried to use two flybacks and 18 ga 10 T around both ferrite cores .. These are in series with a relay spark gap - 2coils in series for each flyback
then to a flyswatter (4.5 v dc supply rechargeable battery) . the two output from the flyback are charging via a spark plasma to a ferrite core with center tap bifilar coil shorted to earth ground . the bottom and top are connected to a dc cap 33000 uf 63 v dc in series with a diode closing the loop ( energy amplification thread gyulas latest circuit)
the top e core is wound with 400 t 23 ga and produced 40 v ac with led lamp flickering with earth tap connection on the body
the iginition set up for a 220 v ac spark gap...... I will try with a flyback in place of the ignition coil ( new one cost 400 HKD) flybacks cost me only 20 Renminbi so I will buy more
lets simplify and amplify... my e core is 4 inches in length and 2 inches height for half e core.....
If TIKA can make a control circuit for the hv side would be better
Check also Peter Linderman plasma mod where he amplified the spark into plasma by combing the positive dc source via a 12000 diode from microwave oven then to the output of the HV ignition coil...
Very simple design , he has a 555 timer circuit pulsing a 12 v dc relay, 2 no contacts one side is upplied by variac the center is from a photo flash cap and the other side goes to the ignition coil all are isolated and the supply from charged caps pulsed are the one supplying the ignition coil
instead of variac , we can use the flyback, to charge caps, then to the primary coil / earth combination, the load side is History.......
gurugi can you make a simple sketch on the lamp thanks
totoalas :)
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Hi I'm using a ZVS as driver. SG should be very close. Beware not to explode the cap :o
Today I tried alot of setups but still wondering which is the best.
I think cap should be in parallel though with flybacks like all Tesla coils.
Ok I should see more on this.
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Hi Tika and all.
I have been looking into replacing my Ferrite Sets today and got this spec. I have attached below. What came as a shock to me was the abscence of Iron!! They do have quite a high permeability but will they be any good for this project? They are really cheap though, under 1 GBP each!!
And on another experimental observation with just my basic HF primary and 30 turn secondary. Up till now I have been using a small B/W television Flyback transformer with it's own oscillator drive (16KHz) output probably about 6 Kv rectified. Getting a dim glow in a 240V 40 W incandescent lamp.
Earlier today I replaced the above with a 5Kv 50 Hz AC Ignition transformer. Slapped on a couple of HV diodes and the light output was amazing.
From this simple experiment IMO, two facts have emereged. First you need a strong healthy spark. And I noticed while the Spark Gap was running I could hear the underlying 50 HZ base frequency but as this was going on, audible fizzing of the SG saw the light intensity increase with the fizz. So even though you rectify your HV AC the underlying drive frequency is carried through. So IMO a High frequency voltage supply is also a must.
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@totoalas
I still don't understand why you need such a high voltage. You may fry your coil.
m:o)
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Hi Tika
Im trying to use as little input(12 v dc from solar ) to the primary coil as possible as I want to use solar as source for hybrid kapanadze
The flyback as a cheap alternative to the kapanadze tech that can have same or near results will simplify the construction from off the shelf parts
Guruji has light on even in a flicker is a good sign of things to come
In Per Linderman Plasma mod of AAron Murakami the spark gap plasma has great impact on cars..... and if we can apply same technique will be better battery earth plasma coil ?KW load
As you said the control of the plasma is what is needed to convert to useful energy thats what im after for.......
ihave the parts for the 555 timer relay caps and coils in an e core .... well see where it will lead me at least Romerouk had initially tested gyulas circuit and saw an increas in cap charge .....then guruji lighting a lamp in a flicker fasion..... then maybe more to do this set up
Im for kapanadze but if theres another way to achieve this will be better more choice for the third world countries to benefit
please try this also as it has simple parts and let me know your opinion ...... thanks\
totoalas :)
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@totoalas
I still don't understand why you need such a high voltage. You may fry your coil.
m:o)
From this simple experiment IMO, two facts have emereged. First you need a strong healthy spark. And I noticed while the Spark Gap was running I could hear the underlying 50 HZ base frequency but as this was going on, audible fizzing of the SG saw the light intensity increase with the fizz. So even though you rectify your HV AC the underlying drive frequency is carried through. So IMO a High frequency voltage supply is also a must.
quote from grumage
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Hi I'm using a ZVS as driver. SG should be very close. Beware not to explode the cap :o
Today I tried alot of setups but still wondering which is the best.
I think cap should be in parallel though with flybacks like all Tesla coils.
Ok I should see more on this.
hi guruji
if u left too far spark gaps catodes, cap(s) explode? this coil is air or ferrite cored? how u calc how much turns need forward and back?
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@totoalas
Your guess is as good as mine at this point. Yes, high frequency is probably important to get the maximum energy gain. But, as zcsaba77 pointed out, too high a voltage will fry your caps, it will also create arcing conditions in the coil itself and may burn your construction. Just be careful, OK?
I am going with the theory that scalar waves are transferring energy, the electrons are pumped from the ground wire going through the coil by the the same effect discovered by Sergey Zatsarinin.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE01en.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE01en.htm)
http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=60_Documents&page=1&sublevel=0 (http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=60_Documents&page=1&sublevel=0)
@Grumage
High permeability is good for the kHz frequencies you are generating. Iron is not fast enough to charge up with magnetic energy at high frequency. µ=7000 should be a good range for 25-40 kHz.
I video #4, Wesley states that the caps on the output side were needed to store output power to keep from flickering, and also that the device did not work well without an output diode. Diode may not be needed, as your coil is totally different.
I wish you both success. We will all be able to compare results soon. Cool!
m:o)
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But, as zcsaba77 pointed out, too high a voltage will fry your caps, it will also create arcing conditions in the coil itself and may burn your construction.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE01en.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE01en.htm)
Hi Tika (and All)
I watched Naudin's video, if I good saw input was higher when NOT was load. Am I correct? Some explain why?
If spark gap too big voltage raise (runaway)? Why not put higher voltage cap(s)? or better keep voltage lower?
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hi guruji
if u left too far spark gaps catodes, cap(s) explode? this coil is air or ferrite cored? how u calc how much turns need forward and back?
Hi Zcsaba77 to tell you the truth I'm still wondering how I did the setup of the flickering lights cause I changed alot of setups.
But yes as I think you already know if a cap is charged beyond it's voltage it can explode especially when using a ZVS.
In one of the posts King said to crush ferrites and do a form you need; did you do this? Do you use special type of glue?
Grumage can you please post your flyback schematic?
Thanks
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Hi Zcsaba77 to tell you the truth I'm still wondering how I did the setup of the flickering lights cause I changed alot of setups.
But yes as I think you already know if a cap is charged beyond it's voltage it can explode especially when using a ZVS.
In one of the posts King said to crush ferrites and do a form you need; did you do this? Do you use special type of glue?
Grumage can you please post your flyback schematic?
Thanks
Hi guruji,
I'm sorry I don't have a schematic. I was using a standard B/W TV unit as is. This runs at a frequency of just over 16 Khz (raster scan for 625 lines) But as quoted yesterday, I felt the HT spark did not have enough energy to do the job. A colour TV flyback has a much higher output in the order of 25 Kv but still runs at 16 Khz. My own feeling is that the Flyback oscillator frequency should match the resonant frequency of our Primary L C circuit. This would then minimise the primary's energy requirement.
Quote, Zcsaba77. I don't think we need ridiculously high voltages, I proved that yesterday. Both input sources to my primary winding were aproximately 8Kv. But the bigger windings of the 50 Hz ignition transformer were providing a better spark. Only problem was the frequency.
Cheers Grum.
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Hi Tika (and All)
I watched Naudin's video, if I good saw input was higher when NOT was load. Am I correct? Some explain why?
Naudin's experiment was part of a series of experiments on the newly discovered "Delayed Lenz Effect". The lowering of input current under load _is_ that effect.
If spark gap too big voltage raise (runaway)? Why not put higher voltage cap(s)?
There is also the insulation between coil loops to take into account, and spacing between cap electrodes. 3 inch is 76 mm, to bridge that you need about 85kV. You will need to build your own parts rated at 100kV or more, potted in epoxy or (and?) swimming in oil. You will also need higher current, and power to drive such a supply. I'm not saying not to do it. It just doesn't seem practical unless you want to produce over 100kW, which implies bigger, and more expensive, everything.
or better keep voltage lower?
:)
m:o)
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Hi guruji,
I'm sorry I don't have a schematic. I was using a standard B/W TV unit as is. This runs at a frequency of just over 16 Khz (raster scan for 625 lines) But as quoted yesterday, I felt the HT spark did not have enough energy to do the job. A colour TV flyback has a much higher output in the order of 25 Kv but still runs at 16 Khz. My own feeling is that the Flyback oscillator frequency should match the resonant frequency of our Primary L C circuit. This would then minimise the primary's energy requirement.
What voltage do you use to power the flyback? These B/W transformers were usually designed for a 150VDC supply. Did you coil you own primary and feedback coils as is often done ?
For the frequency, I think you are right, the primary resonant frequency should match, or be a multiple of the flyback frequency for optimal operation.
As for me, I do not have 5W resistors, but tons of caps, so I will make a driver based on the SR193 schematics.
m:o)
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What voltage do you use to power the flyback? These B/W transformers were usually designed for a 150VDC supply. Did you coil you own primary and feedback coils as is often done ?
For the frequency, I think you are right, the primary resonant frequency should match, or be a multiple of the flyback frequency for optimal operation.
As for me, I do not have 5W resistors, but tons of caps, so I will make a driver based on the SR193 schematics.
m:o)
Hi Tika,
I was using the the whole Portable TV as, is obviously without the CRT!! Just a small 12VDC plugin power pack of about 1 Amp. But it does not have the punch!!
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What voltage do you use to power the flyback? These B/W transformers were usually designed for a 150VDC supply. Did you coil you own primary and feedback coils as is often done ?
For the frequency, I think you are right, the primary resonant frequency should match, or be a multiple of the flyback frequency for optimal operation.
As for me, I do not have 5W resistors, but tons of caps, so I will make a driver based on the SR193 schematics.
m:o)
for my initial test using a flyswatter circuit with a power source of 5 v dc rechargeable batteries I can produced plasma on both flybacks and probably more can be handled using one primary source..... to convert that plasma to a resonant coil then to a load will be my objective for now
tomorrow I will try to use a 220 v to 12 v ac transformer step down then to the coils of the 4 flybacks via a 130 uf 450 v ac cap and a dimmer switch.... will use liquid nails for sealant as shown on the yt
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Hi Zcsaba77 to tell you the truth I'm still wondering how I did the setup of the flickering lights cause I changed alot of setups.
But yes as I think you already know if a cap is charged beyond it's voltage it can explode especially when using a ZVS.
In one of the posts King said to crush ferrites and do a form you need; did you do this? Do you use special type of glue?
Grumage can you please post your flyback schematic?
Thanks
Hi Guruji
What is it ZVS? These abbreviations not say me too much (ZVS, IMO, etc). Have not own aparatus, but I want in this year start with, now I just ask, and want to learn from experiented people :)
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Hi Guruji
What is it ZVS? These abbreviations not say me too much (ZVS, IMO, etc). Have not own aparatus, but I want in this year start with, now I just ask, and want to learn from experiented people :)
HI zcsaba77,
I too am in the dark with ZVS? However IMO means, In My Opinion. I hope we can all learn, like you, from this more practical and nut's and bolt's hand's on thread :)
Cheers, Grum.
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ZVS is short for Zero Voltage Switching i.e. you operate the active switching device when the AC waveform to be switched just goes to zero voltage. This way the device dissipation could be kept at the minimum possible. Here is a link:
http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slua159/slua159.pdf (http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slua159/slua159.pdf)
I found this video on ZVS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ONq3DxXE2w
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Hi guruji,
I'm sorry I don't have a schematic. I was using a standard B/W TV unit as is. This runs at a frequency of just over 16 Khz (raster scan for 625 lines) But as quoted yesterday, I felt the HT spark did not have enough energy to do the job. A colour TV flyback has a much higher output in the order of 25 Kv but still runs at 16 Khz. My own feeling is that the Flyback oscillator frequency should match the resonant frequency of our Primary L C circuit. This would then minimise the primary's energy requirement.
Quote, Zcsaba77. I don't think we need ridiculously high voltages, I proved that yesterday. Both input sources to my primary winding were aproximately 8Kv. But the bigger windings of the 50 Hz ignition transformer were providing a better spark. Only problem was the frequency.
Cheers Grum.
Hi Grumage
If I good understood you have NOT frequency adjustable HV transformer, and you wanna(must) build coil exactly what can resonate good, or you tried build adjustable coil (sliding contact on coil)?
You supplied by 8KVs? but if you did some turns on primary coil, it should be amplifying effect, because one turn voltage over 100Vs (maybe much more).
Your apparatus is air or ferrite cored?
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Hi Grumage
If I good understood you have NOT frequency adjustable HV transformer, and you wanna(must) build coil exactly what can resonate good, or you tried build adjustable coil (sliding contact on coil)?
You supplied by 8KVs? but if you did some turns on primary coil, it should be amplifying effect, because one turn voltage over 100Vs (maybe much more).
Your apparatus is air or ferrite cored?
Hi zcsaba77,
You are correct. I do not have a variable frequency HV supply. Neither do I have a variable primary. The core is loaded with 10 by 38mm Outter Diameter 13mm Thickness Ferrite Ring Core Tube Toroids
@ 12.0uh. 5 at each end. Gap in the middle.Primary coil is 200 turns 22 SWG (steel wire gague) with an inductance of 2mH.
HV storage capacitor 6nF @ 16KV. So if I am correct I need an HV frequency of 45.94 Khz to be in resonance.
I am going to try this drive circuit into a Motorcycle ignition coil and see what happens. Will hopefully be able to let you all know later if it has worked.
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Hi zcsaba77,
You are correct. I do not have a variable frequency HV supply. Neither do I have a variable primary. The core is loaded with 10 by 38mm Outter Diameter 13mm Thickness Ferrite Ring Core Tube Toroids
@ 12.0uh. 5 at each end. Gap in the middle.Primary coil is 200 turns 22 SWG (steel wire gague) with an inductance of 2mH.
HV storage capacitor 6nF @ 16KV. So if I am correct I need an HV frequency of 45.94 Khz to be in resonance.
I am going to try this drive circuit into a Motorcycle ignition coil and see what happens. Will hopefully be able to let you all know later if it has worked.
Hi Grumage
Can you build coil exacly to 16KHz? you not tried less turns (example just 1/3 of 200 = 66)?
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ZVS is short for Zero Voltage Switching i.e. you operate the active switching device when the AC waveform to be switched just goes to zero voltage. This way the device dissipation could be kept at the minimum possible. Here is a link:
http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slua159/slua159.pdf (http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slua159/slua159.pdf)
I found this video on ZVS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ONq3DxXE2w
Hi Gyuszi
This video looks like circuit diagram about induction heater ::), if am I correct.
This type circuit is ZVS?
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Hi Grumage and Zcsaba ; yes as gyulasun said ZVS schematic is on the net if you google. This driver is very wild and deadly too cause it can pump alot of ma in a 1inch or more arc so if you're planning to build this be aware of it.
Today I remembered the setup I did last time as shown but changed cap to a 2500v smaller cap.
Another thing how can one do multi quote on this forum?
Still nothing OU yet cause I lit a 25w bulb I think same as input now.
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Hi Grumage and Zcsaba ; yes as gyulasun said ZVS schematic is on the net if you google. This driver is very wild and deadly too cause it can pump alot of ma in a 1inch or more arc so if you're planning to build this be aware of it.
Today I remembered the setup I did last time as shown but changed cap to a 2500v smaller cap.
Another thing how can one do multi quote on this forum?
Still nothing OU yet cause I lit a 25w bulb I think same as input now.
Hi Guruji
Driver (ZVS+FB?) itself is deadly or whole stuff deadly?
I dont know how others does multi quotes, I open multi page and I copy from one to second. I hope this help for you ;)
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... this video is on ZVS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ONq3DxXE2w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ONq3DxXE2w) ...
This video looks like circuit diagram about induction heater ::) , if am I correct.
This type circuit is ZVS?
It is an oscillator built around a line output transformer and the high voltage appears across the right hand side coil where a 13 kOhm resistor is shown as the load in the simulator. The tank circuit is formed by the 5 + 5 turns of windings with the capacitor between the two drain pins of the FETs.
Probably the circuit could be used as an induction heater (if some changes are made in it to that direction with some additions too) but the original goal was probably to design a high efficiency high voltage energy source capable of giving strong output currents.
Yes this is a ZVS type circuit. An off the shelf line output transformer always includes a (rectified) HV output, see the bell shaped insulation cap here http://wiki.4hv.org/index.php/File:DCFBT.JPG (http://wiki.4hv.org/index.php/File:DCFBT.JPG) The circuit shown in the video simulation is here too:
http://wiki.4hv.org/index.php/Flyback_transformer (http://wiki.4hv.org/index.php/Flyback_transformer)
EDIT: this is a correct link to the picture of the line output transformer: http://wiki.4hv.org/images/8/87/DCFBT.JPG
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In one of the posts King said to crush ferrites and do a form you need; did you do this? Do you use special type of glue?
I think liquid epoxy should be fine.
m:o)
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Hi Guruji
Driver (ZVS+FB?) itself is deadly or whole stuff deadly?
I dont know how others does multi quotes, I open multi page and I copy from one to second. I hope this help for you ;)
Yes Zcsaba you're right whole stuff I think is deadly cause it gives greater current.
Posting thie ZVS schematic.
Ok thanks regarding multi quote.
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EDIT: this is a correct link to the picture of the line output transformer: http://wiki.4hv.org/images/8/87/DCFBT.JPG
.... still unopenable this pic or site. Can you post/attach here.
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http://www.overunity.com/12487/simple-to-build-isolation-transformer-that-consumes-less-power-than-it-gives-out/msg333386/#msg333386 (http://www.overunity.com/12487/simple-to-build-isolation-transformer-that-consumes-less-power-than-it-gives-out/msg333386/#msg333386)
(http://www.energyscienceforum.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by John_Bedini(http://www.energyscienceforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png) (http://www.energyscienceforum.com/sg-radiant-oscillator/125-sg-radiant-oscillator-post1098.html#post1098)T1000,
That is correct it is a double sided ax. I have done that in some of the units, Peter and I have a circuit that just did that of witch you speak, the results were mixed. Although I will do it again. I have see some different things when doing that, I'm not saying they are good or bad, just mixed. In 2000 Peter and I did almost the same circuit your showing in the post ,and I agree with what your saying. I must start somewhere here so I chose simple first. Please post a youtube showing your circuit working as I do not follow overunity.com. I'm sure everybody would love to see that.
Ok, here is my(and my friend's) story first:
Massive OU Claimed in Freaky Pre-Halloween Video (http://pesn.com/2011/11/04/9501946_Massive_OU_Claimed_in_Freaky_Pre-Halloween_Video/)
Here is same story In patents:
http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/GB763062.pdf (http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/GB763062.pdf)
Michel Meyer -- isotope transmutation electric generator (http://www.rexresearch.com/meyernmr/meyer.htm)
Here is the output oscillogram:
(http://www.energyscienceforum.com/attachments/sg-radiant-oscillator/583d1346442716t-sg-radiant-oscillator-pirmine-iskociojimas-pjuklas-50-hercu.jpg) (http://www.energyscienceforum.com/attachments/sg-radiant-oscillator/583d1346442716-sg-radiant-oscillator-pirmine-iskociojimas-pjuklas-50-hercu.jpg)
The basic principle is based two signals comming into two primaries of transformer and making magnetic domains of the core itself to resonate on 3D space rotation... It is way down to atom level (http://www.energyscienceforum.com/images/smilies/smile.png) The one thing here is, the transmutation nuclear process starts up and while atoms are transforming from higher isotope to lower, the huge amount of magnetic field and electricity goes out of it. In addition there is neutron decay side effect. I just did find out and only recently about possibility to avoid this and stay way below of atom destruction level while still having strong magnetic oscillations... The way to it was probably found by one Russian scientist recently(still needs verification): 1) the first signal - the highest driving current and lowest possible voltage is from serial LC resonance in inductor
2)the second signal - the radiant spikes come with much higher frequency joined together into single wire just those are on 180 degrees to current phase.
Here is principal schematics for basic understanding:
(http://www.energyscienceforum.com/attachments/sg-radiant-oscillator/584d1346442948t-sg-radiant-oscillator-mix-bemf-reactive-current.jpg) (http://www.energyscienceforum.com/attachments/sg-radiant-oscillator/584d1346442948-sg-radiant-oscillator-mix-bemf-reactive-current.jpg)
(http://www.energyscienceforum.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by LesK(http://www.energyscienceforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png) (http://www.energyscienceforum.com/sg-radiant-oscillator/125-sg-radiant-oscillator-6.html#post1108)Running magnetic fields against each other is something I had never considered as a part of the SSG before.
LesThis whole area was re-discovered and forgotten more than 80 years ago...
The one of pioners in this area was E. Leedskalnin with his magnetic generator:
http://www.hyiq.org/Library/Download...ic-Current.pdf (http://www.hyiq.org/Library/Downloads/Edward-Leedskalnin-Magnetic-Current.pdf)
Edward Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder (http://www.leedskalnin.com/LeedskalninsPerpetualMotionHolder.html)
http://www.leedskalnin.com/Generator.jpg (http://www.leedskalnin.com/Generator.jpg)
LEEDSKALNIN.COM: MAGNETIC CURRENT RESEARCH (http://www.leedskalnin.com/)
Above quote from t 1000
I think this was also achieved by Peter Linderman not on the primary but on the output using hv diodes in source positive to the HV output of ignition coil
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.... still unopenable this pic or site. Can you post/attach here.
Here it is.
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ZVS oscillator driving a DC television flyback transformer like that one above:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XRwlNCF1PU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XRwlNCF1PU)
The circuit is the standard ZVS circuit that has been posted several times above, using IRFP260 mosfets.
A very similar circuit is indeed used in induction furnaces, but operating at a lower frequency.
Another simple variant of this circuit, at higher frequencies, makes a wireless power transmission system, as I've shown in a bunch of other videos.
The ZVS oscillator itself in this system is driven by 24-32 volts and is only supplying the 5+5 turn primary with a few tens of volts p-p and isn't dangerous itself. But the output of the flyback transformer is 20-30 kV and will kill you quickly, set stuff on fire, etc.
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Hi for All
On the bottom on this link, is Tesla draw:
http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/lithuania_experiment/
how works together 12Hz and high frequency? how we can gain energy? maybe spark gap is adjusted to 12 Hz ???
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http://youtu.be/41bXN_SJuU4 (http://youtu.be/41bXN_SJuU4)
Energy Amplification - Just Simplify and Amplify
totoalas
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Hi for All
On the bottom on this link, is Tesla draw:
http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/lithuania_experiment/
how works together 12Hz and high frequency? how we can gain energy? maybe spark gap is adjusted to 12 Hz ???
That is different, the 12Hz is earth resonant frequency for scalar waves. Natural frequency for EM Waves is around 8Hz, but scalar waves apparently travel at 1.5 times the speed of light.
m:o)
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That is different, the 12Hz is earth resonant frequency for scalar waves. Natural frequency for EM Waves is around 8Hz, but scalar waves apparently travel at 1.5 times the speed of light.
m:o)
Earth resonance is 12 Hz in scalar wave range? What is EM? 1 Hz (in Scalar Wave) is 1.5x speed of light?
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Earth resonance is 12 Hz in scalar wave range? What is EM? 1 Hz (in Scalar Wave) is 1.5x speed of light?
EM = Electromagnetic. Our planet's natural electromagnetic resonance, also called Schumann resonance is 7.83Hz. Tesla had measured scalar wave resonance at around 12Hz. Which implies that scalar waves travel (12 / 8 =) 1.5 times faster than EM waves, which travel at the speed of light.
Scalar waves are of a different nature than EM waves. They were zeroed out of Maxwell's equations (by Hertz) to make the maths easier. Big mistake.
http://www.k-meyl.de/go/Primaerliteratur/Scalar-Waves.pdf (http://www.k-meyl.de/go/Primaerliteratur/Scalar-Waves.pdf)
m:o)
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Hi Totoalas interesting schematic regards.
See my Kapagen ok I only Lit a 40w 240v bulb but will experiment more to increase wattage:
http://youtu.be/ESjVbFTV-5s (http://youtu.be/ESjVbFTV-5s)
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Hi Totoalas interesting schematic regards.
See my Kapagen ok I only Lit a 40w 240v bulb but will experiment more to increase wattage:
http://youtu.be/ESjVbFTV-5s (http://youtu.be/ESjVbFTV-5s)
thanks guruji
the extra plasma can be used in a bitt transformer but I prefer your kapanadze to power up my house lol
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ZVS oscillator driving a DC television flyback transformer like that one above:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XRwlNCF1PU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XRwlNCF1PU)
The circuit is the standard ZVS circuit that has been posted several times above, using IRFP260 mosfets.
A very similar circuit is indeed used in induction furnaces, but operating at a lower frequency.
Another simple variant of this circuit, at higher frequencies, makes a wireless power transmission system, as I've shown in a bunch of other videos.
The ZVS oscillator itself in this system is driven by 24-32 volts and is only supplying the 5+5 turn primary with a few tens of volts p-p and isn't dangerous itself. But the output of the flyback transformer is 20-30 kV and will kill you quickly, set stuff on fire, etc.
Hi Tinsel
Amazing 'cold fire' on video, how much was output voltage 30KVs? Can you explain me why run up (plasma) spark on jacob ladder?
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Someone asked how they loop the device well quite simply since it is a high frequency device then all one needs is to put it through a bridge rectifier and another special split core transformer. In the backyard device video you can see both transformer and diode bridge in a special pack he designed that happens to be shielded as well. The diode bridge strips the high frequency and then it can be looped to the inverter. :) :) :)
quote from jbigness5 in another kapanadze thread
like the idea to loop the plasma thru a rectifier / transformer / inverter ///////????
will try this this weekend
totoals
totoalas
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As I have been working with several different circuits, I've found that the output of two different transformer inverter circuits can be joint together, connected to a bulb like a Cfl along with a series connected incandescent bulb. Then further connected back to the battery positive or negative, which are earth grounded, along with earth grounding the Cfls bulb. This twin circuit along with twin grounds has given me the best light output yet.
I realize that different circuits will react in different ways, but I thought to add my approach, as it is very simple to build, and has worked well for me.
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Today I hooked another flyback transformer with a one transistor driver but did not drive the kapandze generator coil.
I don't know if it's the driver or the transformer cause this flyback is a bit smaller but definitely the kapagen needs a strong driver and flyback to drive it in my experience.
Thanks
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...but definitely the kapagen needs a strong driver and flyback to drive it in my experience.
Probably if you raise output, in same ratio you must supply input side (if you have on your apparatus example COP=5, and if you want 5KWs output, you need supply 1KW input side). It is my opinion.
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Probably if you raise output, in same ratio you must supply input side (if you have on your apparatus example COP=5, and if you want 5KWs output, you need supply 1KW input side). It is my opinion.
Yes ZCsaba probably as you're saying if this one transistor driver you increase input it will be good. I will try this to drive it with 24v and see.
Thanks.
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Yes ZCsaba probably as you're saying if this one transistor driver you increase input it will be good. I will try this to drive it with 24v and see.
Thanks.
Hi Guruji
How much your gen/device Coeficient Of Performace?
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Hi Guruji
How much your gen/device Coeficient Of Performace?
To tell you the truth I'm not sure but I think it's not in OU still or maybe I'm getting very little higher output.
Still have to experiment with earthing;SG;core and caps to see if I can get higher output.
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Hi for All
Did someone test/experiments ferrofluid cored on kapa. gen. (except S. Meyer)?
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Hello All.
I'm sure most of you will have visited this site, however I revisited and was reinspired. Have a look, it is well worth it!!
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Utkin.htm
Cheers Grum.
PS, I found out I had reinvented the Asymmetric transformer!!! See page 1081, main thread. Almost no one made any comments!!!
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Hello All.
I'm sure most of you will have visited this site, however I revisited and was reinspired. Have a look, it is well worth it!!
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Utkin.htm (http://www.free-energy-info.com/Utkin.htm)
Cheers Grum.
PS, I found out I had reinvented the Asymmetric transformer!!! See page 1081, main thread. Almost no one made any comments!!!
It's a very decent resource for looking at the systems we want to design. But some aspects are modified from the original documents. Case in point the special transformer made by Tesla for his 1892 lecture. In the lecture it states to use wood as the core and in that link it says to use a ferromagnetic core. Don't know which one is right at this point... I tend to lean towards Tesla lecture to be right. But who knows.
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It's a very decent resource for looking at the systems we want to design. But some aspects are modified from the original documents. Case in point the special transformer made by Tesla for his 1892 lecture. In the lecture it states to use wood as the core and in that link it says to use a ferromagnetic core. Don't know which one is right at this point... I tend to lean towards Tesla lecture to be right. But who knows.
Hello jbignes5,
I too noticed that mistake. I feel, like you, that a coreless design will be better for higher frequency. It is still too cold here for me to venture out into the workshop but I have not been ilde. I bought a little PWM module specificlly made to drive Ignition coils (any one can PM me for the details) It is quite capable of 50Khz. However at that frequency you can only run it for short periods of time. But what I noticed is that all sorts of things laid around the operational area were alive. Sparks off bit's of wire, my solder coil burnt my forearm. etc etc. I am going to look at the copper glass aluminium Idea of Don Smith. There maybe, pardon the pun, some potential :)
Cheers Grum.
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@ Grumage, be careful with the Utkin doc there are some errors in there, one in particular is the pic of the Tesla bifilar flat coil with the E field eminating straight outward, the magnitic field is right but the induced E field from it should be circular and in the opposite direction of current flow. Tesla was a smart cat, why do you think in his diagrams you see one turn inductors with flat coils inside, because flux density is higher inside so the induced E is higher inside and it pushes on those free electrons in a circular direction just like his secondary is wound. Funny thing though, even with the errors the secret is in that paper too.
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See page 1081, main thread. Almost no one made any comments!!!
Pointing out a message using page number is extremely inconvenient, since depends on your personal profile message settings and can be set as 5, 10, 25, or 50 messages per page. Here it corresponds to two settings: 5 or 10. Please, use "REPLY #" or http address instead, to point out a message.
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Hi Tinsel
Amazing 'cold fire' on video, how much was output voltage 30KVs? Can you explain me why run up (plasma) spark on jacob ladder?
Yes, 30 kV or perhaps a bit more when I up the input to the driver. You'll note that I have the flyback transformer totally immersed in oil for insulation and cooling.
That is not "cold fire"... far from it. There is so much power in that plasma that it actually burns the nitrogen in the air to nitrogen dioxide. Even a small JL will burn enough nitrogen to make a significant amount of NO2. This is one big advantage from using the ZVS driver: it is very efficient at transferring power into the load.
The plasma runs up the ladder because it is hot; convection currents in the surrounding air carry it upwards until the gap is so great that the plasma breaks up and stops the current.... then the voltage causes the arc to re-strike at the narrowest gap of the electrode set.
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I am sorry guys I'll be back in a few days because I found my neighbor dead on his porch. It has shaken me pretty bad.
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I am sorry guys I'll be back in a few days because I found my neighbor dead on his porch. It has shaken me pretty bad.
Hello jbignes5.
Truly sorry to hear your bad news. I will be looking forward to your input in a few days.
Best wishes, Grum.
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Hello to all,
Having re read Vladimir Utkin's page I have made a new secondary coil. I have wound it from the center, working out in the same direction as per the drawings. As you can see from the attached I have made the primary winding a pancake style. It has got far too late to do any further testing. So will try and let you all know what results I get in the next couple of days.
Cheers Grum.
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Hello to all,
Having re read Vladimir Utkin's page I have made a new secondary coil. I have wound it from the center, working out in the same direction as per the drawings. As you can see from the attached I have made the primary winding a pancake style. It has got far too late to do any further testing. So will try and let you all know what results I get in the next couple of days.
Cheers Grum.
Hi Grumage
Its a pity, then you glued primary by tape to secondary, if you can try remade to slideable by axial direction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX7Xj6DSwlU
watch all TheOldScientist, if you have a time and interesting for you.
best rgrds zcsaba77
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@Grumage, this coil looks great! Can't wait to hear your results.
I stumbled upon a copy of Fabrice André's kapagen notebook. Included are his plans and notes. It's in french, of course, but it should be easier to read than russian. :)
The file is too large to attach. So here's a link:
https://mega.co.nz/#!BcMhzLiB!ML1bv0hRGbYSB0RSFnCqUQQlrRMf7DRIdLzNSiZjUxU (https://mega.co.nz/#!BcMhzLiB!ML1bv0hRGbYSB0RSFnCqUQQlrRMf7DRIdLzNSiZjUxU)
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Hello to all,
Having re read Vladimir Utkin's page I have made a new secondary coil. I have wound it from the center, working out in the same direction as per the drawings. As you can see from the attached I have made the primary winding a pancake style. It has got far too late to do any further testing. So will try and let you all know what results I get in the next couple of days.
Cheers Grum.
Hey Grum
Ive gone through Utkins files a good bit. Is your secondary 2 separate coils wound oppositely and connected in the middle? Like to start winding the first half to the middle the wind the rest in the opposite direction.
From what i understand, it is the 'electrical' field of each half of the secondary coil that is suppose to enhance effects.
Mags
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Mags
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Hello to all,
Many thanks for your encouragement, it is most appreciated. I just wish I had some encouraging news in return!!
The pancake coil was a complete flop.This was removed in place of a more conventional cylindrical type with 10 turns. Still no output.
For zcsaba77. Yes I did make the primary movable along the length of the secondary. And many thanks for the link to The old scientist, very interesting, and I feel he is on to our joint goal!!
For Mags, Yes the windings are done in the same direction, starting from the center.
For Tika, Thanks for the info. I agree, being a Welshman, French is much easier to understand than Russian!!
For all.
I think the secret lies in :- http://www.free-energy-info.com/Utkin.htm Secret 3. 1 THE ASYMMETRICAL TRANSFORMER BASED
ON THE SHORT-CIRCUITED COIL
The whole look screams Kapanadze.
I have a couple of questions. My coil has a resonance of approximately 470Khz, now according to the text the primary frequency should match. How do you get a spark to go that fast?
Am I right in assuming that more turns lowers the self resonant condition? Or what about a coil with more insulation (other than Enamelled ) Therefore increasing paracitic capacitance?
My conclusion is that we should perhaps look at a solid state driver. Like The old scientist is using. I feel we would have more chance of mutual resonance.
Good luck to us all, Grum.
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@Grumage,
From what I have read, and tested so far, the position of the primary is _very_ _very_ important to get any kind of output. What do you drive it with ?
m:o)
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I have a couple of questions. My coil has a resonance of approximately 470Khz, now according to the text the primary frequency should match. How do you get a spark to go that fast?
Am I right in assuming that more turns lowers the self resonant condition? Or what about a coil with more insulation (other than Enamelled ) Therefore increasing paracitic capacitance?
Hi Grum,
The kind of wire itself does not matter in itself, aluminium, for example works good too, and is a lot cheaper. The bigger the insulation, the less parasitic capacitance. The parasitic capacitance is inversely proportional to the distance between coils. That is why a lot of tesla coil primaries are flat with widely spaced spires. The length of the wire in the coils is very important if you want to generate standing waves, Utkin talks about it in his book.
For the sparks, what you can do is tune the primary to 470kHz using parallel capacitors. The sparks generator can then be finely tuned to a sub harmonic frequency, like 47kHz, or 23.5kHz. The primary should still be vibrating strongly after 10 or 20 cycles, if the tuning is right.
Good luck!
m:o)
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Hi Grum,
The kind of wire itself does not matter in itself, aluminium, for example works good too, and is a lot cheaper. The bigger the insulation, the less parasitic capacitance. The parasitic capacitance is inversely proportional to the distance between coils. That is why a lot of tesla coil primaries are flat with widely spaced spires. The length of the wire in the coils is very important if you want to generate standing waves, Utkin talks about it in his book.
For the sparks, what you can do is tune the primary to 470kHz using parallel capacitors. The sparks generator can then be finely tuned to a sub harmonic frequency, like 47kHz, or 23.5kHz. The primary should still be vibrating strongly after 10 or 20 cycles, if the tuning is right.
Good luck!
m:o)
Hi Tika,
Many thanks for your input. Just to prove a point to myself I went shopping this afternoon and bought a length of 1mm2 Twin and earth cable, the sort used for lighting circuits. I stripped off the outer sheath and wound yet another coil. Seventyfive turns each way from center. To my horror I found that it's resonant frequency was just over 1Mhz. Right at the last gasp of my signal generator!!
The lesson!! Fewer turns means higher resonance. I honestly thought the PVC insulation would add capacitance!!
I have spent the latter part of this evening making a Bi Filar primary, and by use of series capacitors, 4 X 0.047 microfarad @ 2kv each, and a bit of coil tweeking. I have managed to perfectly match primary and secondary coils @ 360 Khz. Tomrrow is another day the tests will have to wait!
Final question for all. In Vladimir Utkin's Secret 3.1 Quote "Best Position: To find the best coil position, connect the signal generator to the output, and then find the coil position which shows zero at the input terminals. Alternatively, use an RLC meter connected to the input terminals and then find the coil position which gives no change in reading when the output terminals are short-circuited (for both case 1 and case 2). "
To me this makes no sense. Surely the converse will also have a zero. Please change my mind???
Cheers Grum.
PS, Sorry I missed out your earlier question. The "sparks department" is a Motorcycle ignition coil driven by a variable frequency PWM that can deliver a square wave output into a heavily inductive load.
This poses another question. Should the output of said coil be rectified? Or used as is? I rectify with 2 X 20Kv diodes.
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Final question for all. In Vladimir Utkin's Secret 3.1 Quote "Best Position: To find the best coil position, connect the signal generator to the output, and then find the coil position which shows zero at the input terminals. Alternatively, use an RLC meter connected to the input terminals and then find the coil position which gives no change in reading when the output terminals are short-circuited (for both case 1 and case 2). "
To me this makes no sense. Surely the converse will also have a zero. Please change my mind???
I think what Utkin is saying by connecting the signal generator at the output is connect the secondary to the signal generator and find the position where the primary will be less subject to back EMF. I remember seeing a dragonslayer video where he was explaining that the heat sinks on his transistors where there only for tuning, and that after the right position for the primary was set, the transistors would run cold.
I suggest you read the chapter on Don King's devices in Patrick Kelly's book. There is a good deal of info for tuning the coils for your kind of setup. And an explanation about why the exact lengths of the wires are important. At MHz frequencies, all kind of otherwise relatively trivial matters like impedance matching become crucial, as electrical waves will bounce back in the wiring and create all kinds of nasty (and sometimes really nice) effects.
PS, Sorry I missed out your earlier question. The "sparks department" is a Motorcycle ignition coil driven by a variable frequency PWM that can deliver a square wave output into a heavily inductive load.
This poses another question. Should the output of said coil be rectified? Or used as is? I rectify with 2 X 20Kv diodes.
Why not experiment with both ? :)
m:o)
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Hello to all,
Many thanks for your encouragement, it is most appreciated. I just wish I had some encouraging news in return!!
The pancake coil was a complete flop.This was removed in place of a more conventional cylindrical type with 10 turns. Still no output.
For zcsaba77. Yes I did make the primary movable along the length of the secondary. And many thanks for the link to The old scientist, very interesting, and I feel he is on to our joint goal!!
For Mags, Yes the windings are done in the same direction, starting from the center.
For Tika, Thanks for the info. I agree, being a Welshman, French is much easier to understand than Russian!!
For all.
I think the secret lies in :- http://www.free-energy-info.com/Utkin.htm Secret 3. 1 THE ASYMMETRICAL TRANSFORMER BASED
ON THE SHORT-CIRCUITED COIL
The whole look screams Kapanadze.
I have a couple of questions. My coil has a resonance of approximately 470Khz, now according to the text the primary frequency should match. How do you get a spark to go that fast?
Am I right in assuming that more turns lowers the self resonant condition? Or what about a coil with more insulation (other than Enamelled ) Therefore increasing paracitic capacitance?
My conclusion is that we should perhaps look at a solid state driver. Like The old scientist is using. I feel we would have more chance of mutual resonance.
Good luck to us all, Grum.
Hi Grum, tika is correct about the resonance, if the secondary is resonant at say 360 kHz then the primary should be tuned to that as well or a bit lower because loading the secondary can usually lower it's frequency, however some ways of loading could increase it. It's good you have a function generator, makes things easier.
I find with (three coil) Tesla coils I have close coupling primary to secondary and loose coupling to the Extra coil, because of the close coupling from primary to secondary I find
the primary vibrates enough with no tuning caps, so the HV caps that I discharge into the primary are tuned so that they make the primary resonant when discharging. So I find the capacitance to make the primary resonant at the same frequency as the secondary, but rather than shunt the primary with that capacitance I use that capacitance to discharge into the primary. The close coupling of the primary to the high Q secondary keeps it vibrating in tune, the primary swings with the secondary because of coupling. I also use a tuning coil in the primary which I tap to fine tune it.
I am experimenting with other Tesla coils in close proximity to the powered coil and I find that if I shunt the primary of the added second transformer with a capacitor and a Gas Discharge tube it charges the cap and discharges the cap through the GDT which makes nice arcs from the induced coil, unfortunately the second coil cannot take the voltage and it leaks and gets racing arcs down the secondary to the primary if too much power is used.
Here's a short video clip, the smaller coil in front is the added coil with the primary shunted by the cap and GDT, I also used the tickler coil to charge a cap through a FWBR to 220 v and
allowed it to discharge by another GDT. The Bigger coil at the back is a spark gap Tesla coil of about 200 turns all up and one primary turn, res frequency is about 760 KHZ and the rotary spark gap can be run at between 250 BPS and 1600 BPS. It can use from 200 to 600 Watts. So the spark discharge frequency only need be a sub harmonic of the
resonant frequency but each setup will have it's better rates ect. Considering the transformer only has about 200 turns I think it performs OK. It sure can induce a voltage on another transformer.
The coil throwing the initial sparks is the induced one not the powered one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rG_Rfqv6O0
Here's the powered coil itself the second video below shows some pictures of intertwining helix arcs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nkJtrKCdFg
The arcs twist up get faster then throw themselves apart. Almost too quick to see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxTjHk9LEwU
I can show the setup with the second induced coil and the primary GDT flashing to make it work if anyone is interested.
At this point I am just experimenting with effects and observing, trying different stuff ect.
Cheers
P.S. Forgot to mention the powered transformer has a power factor of 0.96 to 0.98. ;)
Main heat losses are in the 240 ballast coil which is too thin a wire with too much resistance and the spark gap.
It looses a bit of energy in the screaming banshee noise it makes as well I suppose. ;D
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I'm thinking with some of this equipment I might be able to test some things out relating to Tariel's arrangements.
I'm devising a solid state circuit with IGBT's or mosfets but I can't decide exactly how I want to do it yet.
I have two of the smaller transformers that are the same, if I use them both I think it will solve the problems of the
leaks from the induced transformers.
It's kinda neat because the powered transformer excites the second transformer which has double the turns, then it
arcs back to the powered transformer or at least it tries to.
I'll make a drawing, maybe someone has idea's of how to tap the second/third transformer for some output.
The second/third transformers are simply connected to ground by the bottom of the secondaries and the primaries are
shunted with resonance caps and a gas discharge tubes of 220v, they have 400 turns in the secondary(150t)-extra coils(250t) and 10 turn primaries with 1.1 nF.
cheers
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I am doing my research on this field too. I will provide my findings as well as results in every configuration that Ive tested.
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Me too.
It is possible that you are underestimating the importance of a properly functioning spark gap. Also, for best power throughput you will want relatively loose coupling between your main primary and your secondary. Many many coats of insulating varnish (Krylon) on your secondary will help keep the voltage where it belongs. The secondary must be grounded to the Earth, either at the bottom for the standard Tesla coil configuration or at the center tap for the Odin-style double coil. The instantaneous currents in the primary can be very large, kiloamperes even, which is why you need heavy conductors and good contacts for your primary. 1/4 inch diameter soft copper tubing is good, copper ribbon (reduces self-inductance) is even better. Thin wires like #12 solid copper can be used for a primary but won't work as well.
Do not try to rectify the output of the secondary unless you have a rectifier that can withstand at least a megavolt... which is unlikely. If you rectify the _input_ to your primary coil-capacitor tank, then you are no longer dealing with a system that requires the capacitor to charge fully during one AC input cycle and you can use a larger capacitor, hence requiring fewer turns for your primary.
For optimum performance you will want a spark gap that quenches (turns _off_) as rapidly as possible. If you are using a rotary spark gap with AC supply to your primary tank, you will encounter "picket-fencing" that will produce no output at all at certain vaues of BPS. Rectifying the tank input solves this problem and allows more freedom in gap rotation BPS. If you have a high-current supply then your sparks will "trail" in the gap and won't quench properly, vastly reducing the output of the secondary, so this means your electrode spacing and paths have to be constructed with prevention of arc-trailing in mind.
300-400 kHz is already getting into the "high end" of frequency for a spark-gap coil. As you go up in frequency the characteristics of the secondary emissions change and tuning becomes more critical.
You don't have to "spark that fast"; the secondary should make many cycles at its resonant frequency during each spark interval of the primary tank circuit. Ideally, with AC supply to the tank, you would like the capacitor to charge fully during one cycle of the mains supply frequency and have the spark gap fire just at the peak of the charging voltage from your primary transformer: once every full (or half) cycle of the mains frequency, 50 or 60 Hz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTaIj5qLoH0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTaIj5qLoH0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLFlRhsa5U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLFlRhsa5U)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjc9ilOAaQU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjc9ilOAaQU)
Of course, if you are trying for something other than extreme voltage and power throughput, you can ignore all of the above.
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The two spark shots above were taken at 1/15 second exposure. Since the DC coming out of the FWB is unfiltered, there is a strong 120 Hz ripple on this DC -- in fact, a 0 V to 3 kV ripple, about. In 1/15 of a second, there is time for 8 of the ripple peaks entering the tank to charge and spark, charge and spark.... and you can see very clearly the 8 sub-streamers in the psarks. Each of those substreamers is itself made up of substreamers generated at the coil's resonant frequency, far too fast for the camera to capture.
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Hi TinselKoala,
Nice build, that is pretty cool. 8)
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Good tips Tinsel, Can you give any tips on the camera settings, ISO, aperture, ambient light ect. I see similar arcs with multiple ripples but I find it difficult to capture them well by pictures, I need to use longer exposure times, I have only a (Fuji FinePix S5700) camera.
Anyway I was messing with a couple of other coils I had made for LV experiments and got two incandescent bulbs to light partially. The interesting thing I noticed was the different look to the light or the way the globes worked. They seemed to fill the entire inside of the bulb with an even light, the lower voltage one seems to pour the light out almost like onto the surface of the wood it was on, the filament kind of disappears in a ball of light, the 240 volt bulb only get's yellow but it is kind of the same.
Long way to go yet but I got some filaments to glow at least already. :)
There's a blurry picture showing the odd way the lights light up attached.
This is the spark gap coil, it's pretty heavy duty, 2 x 6 mm primary turn 370 diameter and the rest is one mm wire I think from memory the secondary has 40 turns and the extra coil has about 170 maybe a few more, can't recall. Supply is two anti parallel MOT's with a DC resonant charging circuit, 12 nF primary cap.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd168/Toey1/TClights2009.jpg
Here's a video clip showing how it's setup ect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y1U1PSmAjQ
Please forgive the messy area and bad camera work.
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The two spark shots above were taken at 1/15 second exposure. Since the DC coming out of the FWB is unfiltered, there is a strong 120 Hz ripple on this DC -- in fact, a 0 V to 3 kV ripple, about. In 1/15 of a second, there is time for 8 of the ripple peaks entering the tank to charge and spark, charge and spark.... and you can see very clearly the 8 sub-streamers in the psarks. Each of those substreamers is itself made up of substreamers generated at the coil's resonant frequency, far too fast for the camera to capture.
Wow, that "ring of fire" pic is fantastic!
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@Lakes: Thanks! That one is a time exposure, 15 seconds iirc, showing the corona from a simple corona motor made from a coathanger wire and an acorn nut for the center pivot.
@Farmhand:
Thanks for your interest, I hope my experiences might be helpful to you.
I use two cameras: the videos are taken with a Panasonic SDR-H40PC in full-auto mode and the stills are taken with a Canon 400D/Xti using the stock 18-55 mm lens in manual focus mode.
The stills in the slideshow above are frame-grabs from the Panasonic's video, full auto. It's dark night, the ambient light is from an LED flashlight aimed at the reflective roof of my observa-yurt and the rest of the light comes from the spark gap and the corona discharges.
The other stills from the Canon are either 1/15 sec, f/6.3, or long 15 or 30 seconds. ISO1600. I also used the LED flashlight for some fill lighting during the spark shots but almost all of the illumination comes from the primary spark gap and the corona itself.
I used a steady tripod and a remote shutter switch, and lately I've been shooting in multiple-shot mode, taking 10 or 12 frames in quick succession, 3 or 4 frames per second.
Processing includes cropping, noise reduction, contrast and saturation adjustment, sharpening slightly and resampling to smaller pixel count sizes using gimp.
The slide show was made from stills grabbed from a video, and assembled with YouTube's slideshow editor.
The videos are processed with OpenShot and WinFF.
Here is an older video showing TinselKoil 1, a completely solid-state Tesla Coil, no spark gap or tank capacitor bank, lighting an incandescent bulb with one wire, the other side of the bulb just connected to a bit of suspended aluminum foil as an "earth antenna". I've since modded this coil with a different resonator, lower aspect ratio (TinselKoil 2), but unfortunately I don't have it here at my present location to play with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BMRJoqdy6E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BMRJoqdy6E)
So this showing the high voltage high frequency output "radiant", enabling the capacitative coupled, one-wire transmission of power, and the high-current output capability, making the filament glow brightly from Joule heating. This filament is actually broken, this bulb won't light from the AC mains!!
The driving electronics are very similar to some of the schemes I've seen detailed here. A 494 is used to generate the main clock pulses, which are split and inverted by some 2n7000 mini-mosfets; these signals are then fed to a current amplifier stage made of an H-bridge of complementary bipolar transistors; the outputs of this current amp drives two trifilar toroidal phase transformers, which then drive the power section H-bridge made from mosfets, which are switching rectified and filtered line current at about 170 VDC into the coil's primary. This one runs at around 830 kHz.... blanks out AM reception !!
I think if you have a lot of wire in your primary, lots of turns, you will actually interfere with the free ringing of the secondary, by mutual inductance effects. I think this is one reason that most Tesla-type coil arrangements are rather loosely coupled between primary and secondary. Another reason is to avoid arcing between the secondary and the upper turns of the primary, since a properly working coil will already have a great deal of voltage at the height of the primary upper turns.
ETA: A note on construction of these high-voltage air-core resonators: do NOT terminate or route your coil end wires inside the tube! If you do, even by making little holes just to secure the wire ends, you will be creating a relatively low-resistance pathway inside the coil form and the coil may spark preferentially inside and along the inner surface of the coil form. Also avoid using black PVC or black rubber parts, I think it's colored with carbon soot or something and is more conductive (at HV) than you would like.
How do I know these things? Miles of wasted wire and hours/days of wasted time, that's how.
Here's one corona psark I photographed last night. 1/15 sec, f/6.4, iso1600, the coil has a pointed breakout point magnetically attached to the doorknob on top of the toroid. Distance from top of the psark to the bottom breakout point is about 18-20 inches.
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Thanks for the tips TinselKoala, I'm getting better with the camera, I use a tripod and the 2 second shutter delay so the camera has time to stop moving.
First I focus and click the shutter then turn on the coil. The photo below is 1/10 of a second, f 3.5 and ISO 1600. I think there is something to learn in looking at the effects
on film because a lot is missed by eye. The pretty stuff is a nice side effect of the research. The small coils i'm using to light the bulbs were never meant for HV or much current
I made them for 12 volt experiments, I am going to make another coil for HV but it'll be on a varnished wooden frame I hope.
Cheers
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Yes, 30 kV or perhaps a bit more when I up the input to the driver. You'll note that I have the flyback transformer totally immersed in oil for insulation and cooling.
That is not "cold fire"... far from it. There is so much power in that plasma that it actually burns the nitrogen in the air to nitrogen dioxide. Even a small JL will burn enough nitrogen to make a significant amount of NO2. This is one big advantage from using the ZVS driver: it is very efficient at transferring power into the load.
The plasma runs up the ladder because it is hot; convection currents in the surrounding air carry it upwards until the gap is so great that the plasma breaks up and stops the current.... then the voltage causes the arc to re-strike at the narrowest gap of the electrode set.
Hi Tinsel
Thank for information, but if you dont let escape plasma spark by example jar, will the plasma spark stay in the jar? and in vacuum spark is longer or shorter?
rgrds zcsaba77
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@Farmhand:
Nice shot of the spark, it seems that there are common features in these displays. Last night I saw a video of some small sparks, under 3 inches, but close-up... and they looked just like big sparks, with the lights off and no scale reference I couldn't tell much difference. The sparks are fractal structures, like watershed patterns of rivers but in 3 and 4 dimensions instead of 2, draining the "watershed" of space down into the source -- the Earth ground.
@zcsaba77:
Sure, you can contain the flyback plasma or spark in a sealed container. In fact, the arc burns nitrogen in the air down into nitrogen dioxide, NO2, which is a toxic yellowish gas that reacts with water to form nitric acid, so it's not good to be breathing this in any great quantity.
Vacuum.... there are vacuums, laboratory vacuums, and true hard vacuums. But there's really no such thing as a "real vacuum" that contains no ionizable gas molecules. Dry air at standard one atmosphere pressure can sustain 30 kV/cm between large spheres before breaking down. Point electrodes lower that considerably.... call it 10 kV/cm for "ordinary" small discharge electrodes. But when you start lowering the pressure the breakdown voltage goes down. This means longer sparks with decreasing pressure, up to a point. At some low pressure, easily obtainable with small vac pumps like air-conditioning service pumps or single-stage lab vac pumps, air becomes so conductive that you can't even build up enough voltage to "spark" at all -- the whole chamber with your low pressure air in it glows purple and shorts out your HV. To get down to the point where your "vacuum" is no longer conductive takes a much stronger vacuum pump, like a turbo or oil-diffusion pump, and is beyond my reach here in my home lab.
If you want to see some incredibly long, true sparks from HV current or static machines, try a chamber filled with Argon at 1 atm pressure. Other gases also make interesting displays with HV..... I came across this last night on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sYjGk2VqCA
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Guys are you saying that the secret that TK says is the SG?
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@ TIKA
thanks for the link with Fabrice Andre's lab notes. Unfortunately no matter how I try to download this file, it always stops at 27%.
Would you be able to upload this file to another site, such as MediaFire ?
Regards, Earl
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Hello Tika and all.
I have been "busting my wotsits off" trying to get even a glimmer from my set up, to no avail. In absolute frustration I have put it to one side, as sometimes a break can help!
Zeitmaschine posted a really interesting Russian patent a few pages ago on the main thread, which due to really heavy snow keeping me indoors, I decided to have a look at.
http://bd.patent.su/2386000-2386999/pat/servl/servlet92b8.html
The mathematics that I can understand seems to make sense. But it is the practical side that has got me stumpped. Thyristors that are inversely connected need a different polarity on the gate for triggering. But connecting coils just turns them on. I found that I could connect a pair via a N/O reed switch then trigger with a coil. But how to alternate?
If you read the patent carefully you can see it should work for both Capacitive as per drawing or Inductive, no drawing, and it got me thinking. Could it be the inductive version that is being used on the TK device? Theoretically the resonant circuit should keep adding energy on each pulse and maybe the Spark Gap is the overflow not the instigator???
What do you all think?
@ Earl, I have a copy backed up, could email if you wish?
Cheers to all, Grum.
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@ Grum
thanks for the offer - in the meantime I found it at another source.
Regards, Earl
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Tika,
This thread is “A Kapanadze Generator Replication” by Tika. I have FE projects I’m interested in and my own theories about how these devices might work, and they do have a relation to the Kapanadze generator, but I’m not going to post on this thread. It seems the thread has quickly become too involved with other people’s theories and other people’s builds.
Tika, I have bought the Russian ferrite rings, the AD9850 DDS, and the OPA4350UA. Since some of these parts have to do with the front end are we going to use, in addition, a microwave transformer, a diode string, a microwave capacitor, and a spark gap? I’d like to start on your build. Can you post your circuit for the DDS and the OPA4350? I bought 12 of the ferrite rings; how many are actually required?
I think a working Kapanadze generator is possible and has been accomplished by a few people. The problem is there is no good documentation or way for another person to duplicate the work. You all know it’s just mass confusion and chaos in the FE field but we could change that here by concentrating on Tika’s build and documenting everything open source. JMHO, thank you.
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Hi all Kapanadze device experimenters,
Just wish to share my opinion on kapanadze's coil design and also Naudin's solidstate version.
The coil must be resonate at certain frequency just like normal tesla coil secondary do. In tesla coil, a metal ball on top of secondary forms a capacitor into air. Secondary coil series with the said capacitor forms a Lc Resonance circuit.
Original Kapanadze use earth to act as a huge capacitor, and react with secondary coil to form a LC resonance circuit.
Most of LC circuit need to have as highest Q factor as possible to peak its output and also efficiency.
Most of replicators coil seems winding primary and secondary close tight together, which kill the coil's Q factor., and weaken its efficiency. Look at some of Kapanadze's primary, with plastic bar spacer ( glass rod will give highest Q) to form a frame to hold the 6 turns pf primary coil, and also using thick copper and copper tubing will be highest Q factor.
As for Naudin's design, the 50Hz modulator won't work. ( In fact, adding more coils on the design kills its Q factor. ) the reason i said it worn't work because , the modulation coil winding will act as a secondary and pick up voltages from primary, and this high frequency pulse output will kill the two driver transistors. If using high voltage transistors to prevent it from damage , the modulator will not modulating the coil, because the coil will have higher power output ( if the design really OU) than the modulation circuit. You need [size=78%]real higher power to mobulate the coil and modulator circuit will draw a lot of current , the whole system will not operate at OU. [/size]
Just my 2 cents worth of opinion.
Regards,
Tru168
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There are at least 2 different schemes of kapanadze circuits .
The one that uses ferrites , and another one that has a aluminum pipe in it that works as a capacitor.
As Tiger repeatedly states that his ferrite scheme works, someone should not question that unless he has experimental proof. An educated guess is in fact worth nothing, because only experience counts.
Sr193 was a similar setup.
What we already know is:
The 50/60 Hz primary frequency acts as an carrier and by pulsing the inner copper rod / and HV winding a process starts which releases additional energy. One should visit realstrannik_>
Replication Red (who pulses ringmagnets and collects the flyback)
Or the thread: Guest installation (aluminum rod)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realstrannik.ru%2Fforum%2F48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa%2F120526-gost-ustanovka.html%23120526
But for the scheme sr193 / Tiger / Fabrice Andre the attached ones are guiding examples
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Hi,
Thanks for the link.
I dont like ferrite core for that coil actually. It will saturate easily (when power up to its limit. ) When we are talking about OU , that limitation seems a no no for me. Not to say that it can't be done, just that we need much more extra time for tuning and make it work.
Back in 20 years ago, one of my friend built a tesla coil with ferrite core in it, after years of experiment, he gave up and back to air core coil and its really hard to make it work in tesla coil.
Anyway , keen to see some positive results from replicators who use ferrite core .
Regards,
tru168
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Hi,
[size=78%]Thanks for the link. [/size]
I dont like ferrite core for that coil actually. It will saturate easily (when power up to its limit. ) When we are talking about OU , that limitation seems a no no for me. Not to say that it can't be done, just that we need much more extra time for tuning and make it work.
Back in 20 years ago, one of my friend built a tesla coil with ferrite core in it, after years of experiment, he gave up and back to air core coil and its really hard to make it work in tesla coil.
[size=78%]Anyway , keen to see some positive results from replicators who use ferrite core . [/size]
[size=78%]Regards, [/size]
tru168
Hi Tru168 thanks for your guidance.
So what would you suggest in Kapandze core just copper rod? Some guys suggested a grooved one does this make any difference?
Thanks
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Hi,
Grooved copper seems good, Kapanadze design used copper in the coil act as part of capacitor I believe, and its actually not very thick. I tested air core without anything in it that give me the highest efficiency but it is in normal tesla coil design, if you use copper pipe without groove, the pipe act as a huge single turn secondary that short circuit by it self. no good. you can try to use slightly thinner solid copper, or the grooved copper pipe will be ok.
tru168
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Hi,
Grooved copper seems good, Kapanadze design used copper in the coil act as part of capacitor I believe, and its actually not very thick. I tested air core without anything in it that give me the highest efficiency but it is in normal tesla coil design, if you use copper pipe without groove, the pipe act as a huge single turn secondary that short circuit by it self. no good. you can try to use slightly thinner solid copper, or the grooved copper pipe will be ok.
tru168
Hi thanks for response. I meant a slot in the copper pipe when I said groove.Where do you connect the earth if one uses air core?
Thanks
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Hi,
Grooved copper seems good, Kapanadze design used copper in the coil act as part of capacitor I believe, and its actually not very thick. I tested air core without anything in it that give me the highest efficiency but it is in normal tesla coil design, if you use copper pipe without groove, the pipe act as a huge single turn secondary that short circuit by it self. no good. you can try to use slightly thinner solid copper, or the grooved copper pipe will be ok.
tru168
Hello all.
I wonder if a solid Copper design is an advantage? As you suggest it would act as a heavy short circuit. But what is available from that? A heavy magnetization field!! I feel sure that these devices work asymmetrically so that the input source is not affected by the output load, but the problem is how to solve the question??
Take a look at The Old Scientist's web site, he has a vid regarding a TK coil. He is using a solid Copper rod.
Now here's a thought, Would we see Asymmetry if the Copper rod ran through some Ferrite cores with a coil sleeved over the top?
Will have to try :)
Cheers Grum.
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Hi thanks for response. I meant a slot in the copper pipe when I said groove.Where do you connect the earth if one uses air core?
Thanks
Hi,
What I mean is, not air core, just thick wire in it , just like original Kapanadze do. I did insert solid copper into tesla coil, it works but not thick one, thicker solid copper will drop my tesla coil efficiency.
I'm just a Tesla coil experimenter for the past 20 years, and apply the principle into this. just my 2 cents worth on opinion.
Thanks
Tru168
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I don't like ferrite core for that coil actually. It will saturate easily (when power up to its limit. )
Saturation of the ferrite core is deliberate and essential to the operation of the device, because it decreases the permeability to 1 and minimizes the skin-effect that is responsible for decreased RF penetration into the core. Without it the neutrons in the core will not be stimulated into decay and the energetic fast electrons (or positrons) will not be produced.
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if you use copper pipe without groove, the pipe act as a huge single turn secondary that short circuit by it self. no good.
For an ordinary transformer that would be true, however in the SR device the brass or copper rod (pipe, or better yet, a disk) constitutes a one-turn primary winding (not a secondary). The circular beta current induced in this rod is confined and directionalized by the magnetic field permeating the rod. This pulse of beta current creates a strong pulse of magnetic field, which can then be coupled inductively by an ordinary secondary winding in the vicinity of the core.
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I wonder if a solid Copper design is an advantage? As you suggest it would act as a heavy short circuit.
The mass of copper (or brass) does not act as a short circuit because that mass constitutes the primary winding which is the source of the energy in that system. If the copper (or brass) acted as a secondary winding then indeed it would represent a "dead short circuit".
But what is available from that? A heavy magnetization field!!
More like a strong magnetic pulse. This magnetic pulse can induce huge PDC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsed_DC) in an ordinary secondary coil.
However in order for this to happen, first the beta current must be stimulated to circulate in the copper (or brass) and that current must be confined magnetically inside the copper, by Lorentz forces.
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To Tika,
I have chased this Rabbit Hole for a while. The HV supply is always a problem. I ran across something 4 years ago which was great.
I can use a flyback and generate 25K volts with a DC input of 11V and 500ma.
I experimented with the magnetic fields to get the spark adjusted in frequency.
If you are interested let me know.
I have experimented with this stuff for years.
Part of me says it is possible and part says it is total BS.
But Tesla says it is possible.
Brings me to string theory. Moray found it. He had 29 detectors in parallel.
A string is 10 to the minus 24 (I know I have these figures wrong, but bare with me).
And they vibrite at 10 to the + 32.
That is zero point energy.
So, what exactly do they vibrate at?
We need to half that down into something we can relate to.
(And I mean half and half and half, etc)
Or something we can detect.
I would bet that what we are looking for is the schumann frequency.
What is it? 11 hz or so.
At this FZ the energy is zero point at a very low frequency.
Take it up to (My god 10 to the 32 or so ) I cannot imagine what the power would be.
We need to capture it at a frequency that we can use.
Well to me what would be 120V at 60HZ - what our friend Tesla did
A very great part of me says God will not give us that info, due to end times events.
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Hi,
I am now starting a machine based on the Kapanadze devices.
m:o)
And what type of Kapanadze you start to build ?
I tray to build this days but not sure for best schematic?
Does anybody have scheme for Dailly kap ?
regards
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Very comprenhensive topic, read all ten pages, but i'm a bit dispaointed to see that it ended suddenly..., i was wondering how the experiment went Tika, you realised what you proposed to do? Thank you and all the best!
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LOL. We know how to do it . And you don't )
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do not try to break the law of conservation of energy.
it is impossible.
kapagen perfectly obey the law.
http://afhh723.livejournal.com/1043.html (http://afhh723.livejournal.com/1043.html)
(http://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fafhh723.livejournal.com%2F1043.html (http://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fafhh723.livejournal.com%2F1043.html))
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Hallo, I am searching a working replica ok Kapagen to buy for my house.
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Hi Guys ,
First of all I like to say that I'm impress with the replications of Kapanadze which you did so far,
I would like to share with you my working replication of Kapanadze Free Energy generator:
http://isparktube.com/kapanadze
Regards
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I'm doing research on the Kapanadze aquarium 2 device,in the device there is a green transformer with a common core that is 3 separate transformers,with a green epoxy coating.This came from a Russian IBM 360 clone power supply,date of manufacturer 1982.My interest is in the core,I don't know Russian transformer cores,it would seem that the core was common for Russian military transformers,they used vacuum tubes for a long time,so a transformer from the era of tubes should have the same core.
We have a lot of Russian members in here and others from that area,so someone
should be able to help me.It was said that the core of the green transformer is ferromagnetic tape can't find anything on that,any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Your last post was in 2013... I'm just wondering did you get anywhere with your research? And if so could you point us out in the right direction? Thanks
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-9MqTGywdI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-9MqTGywdI)
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