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Author Topic: A Kapanadze generator replication - Febuary 2013  (Read 290956 times)

Grumage

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Re: A Kapanadze generator replication - Febuary 2013
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2013, 07:26:39 PM »
I don't know... It looks like the SR193 coil, but as is, the relay in the upper right corner would make a lot of noise and not last very long at any frequency... 

Are these caduceus coils there ? If they are they are connected to what seems like the 50Hz modulation... No, this plan does not make any sense and there is too muck information missing.  The coil information may be right, but who knows?

m:o)

Hi tika,

Study the circuit a bit longer as I have done. The relay will not chatter as it is there to apply load when the circuit is fully opperational. And I think the modulation coils are bifilar not Caudaceus. But as you say there is little info (as is the case with all these devices!) I Have already wound the base coil and got 5 X 5 ferrites installed with the gap in the middle. It is the next set of windings that is the challenge. Are they counter wound? Like Don Smith suggests? Should there be a Copper ring between the Ferrite sets? The questions are endless :-\

I suppose it is time to bite the bullet and at least try a set of bifilar and see what happens!!

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Re: A Kapanadze generator replication - Febuary 2013
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2013, 07:29:22 PM »
Hi Grumage

On top showed transformer (colored coil) which one in the circuit diagram? where is roman number or bottom one?

Hi zcsaba77,

Yes the coloured coil relates to the bottom one in the schematic.

totoalas

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Re: A Kapanadze generator replication - Febuary 2013
« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2013, 07:29:39 PM »
Hi Tika
great start on this topic
In the energy amplification thread, and  most recently added yt video of a french guy on kapanadze that took him 10 years to have a working one....maybe  as a suggestion to pick up some pointers on the coils   ...
Hope you can give some construction details like the copper pipes   coil set up circuit    ....would love to have that kapanadze  ......
with your expertise as a plus factor.....   and a mindset on miminum budget   ....  ill go for it....also....    thanks    totoalas

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Re: A Kapanadze generator replication - Febuary 2013
« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2013, 08:27:13 PM »
Hi zcsaba77,

Yes the coloured coil relates to the bottom one in the schematic.

...and who it look upper one?

Grumage

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Re: A Kapanadze generator replication - Febuary 2013
« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2013, 09:10:40 PM »
...and who it look upper one?

Hi zcsaba77.

My own theory for the top transformer is that it further boosts the voltage from the output coil and as a byproduct, improves the output waveform to a decent sinewave. Eary tests on my coil and ferrite setup (without bias coils) Secondary winding of 30 turns 2 layers, lit a 40 W incandescent lamp to about 1/4 bright.
Looking back I should have tried a transformer. The major problem is that you can't apply test equipment to the circuit because of the HF that's flying about!!

It is still early evening, I shall see if a transformer does anything.

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Re: A Kapanadze generator replication - Febuary 2013
« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2013, 09:14:14 PM »
Hi zcsaba77.

My own theory for the top transformer is that it further boosts the voltage from the output coil and as a byproduct, improves the output waveform to a decent sinewave. Eary tests on my coil and ferrite setup (without bias coils) Secondary winding of 30 turns 2 layers, lit a 40 W incandescent lamp to about 1/4 bright.
Looking back I should have tried a transformer. The major problem is that you can't apply test equipment to the circuit because of the HF that's flying about!!

It is still early evening, I shall see if a transformer does anything.

... you have about this transformer picture?

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Re: A Kapanadze generator replication - Febuary 2013
« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2013, 10:34:08 PM »
Hi zcsaba77.

My own theory for the top transformer is that it further boosts the voltage from the output coil and as a byproduct, improves the output waveform to a decent sinewave. Eary tests on my coil and ferrite setup (without bias coils) Secondary winding of 30 turns 2 layers, lit a 40 W incandescent lamp to about 1/4 bright.
Looking back I should have tried a transformer. The major problem is that you can't apply test equipment to the circuit because of the HF that's flying about!!

It is still early evening, I shall see if a transformer does anything.

@grumage:

What you have is at best an incomplete schematics, a design in progress, there are several key parts missing, such as base resistors and supply caps.  Besides, this thread is about builds based on the schematics in the header post, and was started specifically for these, to limit clutter and provide documentation for these.  Not that your questions do not deserve an answer, but I'd like, for the sake of clarity to keep side talk here to the minimum. The forum format is already fairly confusing for documentation. 

Also, as zcaba77 pointed out, it is difficult to discuss a rough schematics like the one you presented here without knowing a bit more about its origin.  There are many schematics that look just like that, that were posted onto forums to illustrate suppositions as to what exactly was shown in replication videos, or to illustrate theories of operation.  I suggest you review thoroughly the schematics before powering up and check for conditions that could blow transistors, and add DC supplies caps, as the circuit will not perform well without them.

m:o)

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Re: A Kapanadze generator replication - Febuary 2013
« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2013, 10:38:02 PM »
Hi guys is this setup good for a monitor flyback instead of an MOT?
Thanks

tika

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Re: A Kapanadze generator replication - Febuary 2013
« Reply #38 on: March 04, 2013, 10:46:06 PM »
Hi Tika
great start on this topic
In the energy amplification thread, and  most recently added yt video of a french guy on kapanadze that took him 10 years to have a working one....maybe  as a suggestion to pick up some pointers on the coils   ...
Hope you can give some construction details like the copper pipes   coil set up circuit    ....would love to have that kapanadze  ......
with your expertise as a plus factor.....   and a mindset on miminum budget   ....  ill go for it....also....    thanks    totoalas


Thanks, while shopping, you will realize that the most expensive items are the ferrite cores.  So take your time while shopping and make sure before buying that the ferrite material has a high magnetic permeability, the µ factor.  Second on the list are the high voltage diodes and caps.  Also look for deals on electrical wire and tape, you will need quite a bit of these, depending on the coil you decide to build.

There is on ebay alone a factor of 10 between prices for the same part!  And if it takes 2 weeks or more to get a part from China, then that's the time it takes...  Also power transistors and heat sinks can be salvaged from old equipment.  To be successful in keeping under budget, you have to really be careful and spend a great deal of time looking for the best deals.

m:o)

totoalas

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Re: A Kapanadze generator replication - Febuary 2013
« Reply #39 on: March 04, 2013, 11:07:36 PM »
Hi Tika  thanks for the tips... as Im in China  so parts abound here   .... I have 20 pcs of crt yokes I used in my ss ssg... and mostly copper and cables are cheap.....
if you can give directions on the parts, size dimensions  we start one step at a time......collecting them
we ll be monitoring your development......
thanks   totoalas

totoalas

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Re: A Kapanadze generator replication - Febuary 2013
« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2013, 11:21:02 PM »
Hi guys is this setup good for a monitor flyback instead of an MOT?
Thanks
Hi guruji, Im using flyswatter output in a closed loop with the 2 windings of flyback     -  12 v dc relay   no  spark gap then to  terminals  2 , 6 and 7 shorted,  10  to a 10 Turns 18 ga to the ferrite core then back to the flyswatter.....   Output is a jacobs ladder 3 cm  plasma which I intend to use for the kapanadze coils   .   check my yt   Energy Amplification Pt 3   Jacobs Ladder 030313  totoalas
I tried this set upt with flyswatter in Energy Amplification Pt. 2  and both caps  charged up.......(circuit in the Energy Amplification thread)
The latest video in OU about a french guy in the mountain  showed earth, battery, small spark then kapanadze  to 1.7 kw lamps then to a heater
that means its doable  only on the conversion of spark to energy we need to concentrate...   the ist part using off the shelf materials
totoalas :)
For the meantime we can use hybrid  Kapanadze to simplify and amplify....  a guy in yt used two ignition coils in parallel using 150 uf 350 v ac caps in series  and a 600 watts dimmer using 220 v ac as power source and a spark of 3 inches  thats  strong enough in my understanding ......
 
 
 

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Re: A Kapanadze generator replication - Febuary 2013
« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2013, 12:54:53 AM »
Here is the record for construction of the Lithuanian coil, made following Wesley's (stivep) instructions in video #4.

The original specs:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46534385@N03/sets/72157632914591379/

My build:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46534385@N03/sets/72157632918473710/

I will update the latter set of pics with the secondary in place.  I still have to upload the pics.

m:o)

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Re: A Kapanadze generator replication - Febuary 2013
« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2013, 01:04:55 AM »
Hi guys is this setup good for a monitor flyback instead of an MOT?
Thanks

There is a very important thing to point out about this.  An MOT will give out an AC voltage.  Most TV flyback have a diode and a voltage tripler inside and give out a DC voltage.  From what I understand, an AC voltage supply is needed.  But I'm only 80% sure of that...  I have received 4 flyback transformers today and will post info about that tonight or tomorrow.

m:o)

totoalas

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Re: A Kapanadze generator replication - Febuary 2013
« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2013, 01:16:05 AM »
There is a very important thing to point out about this.  An MOT will give out an AC voltage.  Most TV flyback have a diode and a voltage tripler inside and give out a DC voltage.  From what I understand, an AC voltage supply is needed.  But I'm only 80% sure of that...  I have received 4 flyback transformers today and will post info about that tonight or tomorrow.

m:o)
Hi Tika   I think the flyback is good for dc/ rectifier  pulsing coils and another coil for ac  load  as discussed in the energy amplification thread
well see where it will lead us

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Re: A Kapanadze generator replication - Febuary 2013
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2013, 01:21:12 AM »
Hi guruji, Im using flyswatter output in a closed loop with the 2 windings of flyback     -  12 v dc relay   no  spark gap then to  terminals  2 , 6 and 7 shorted,  10  to a 10 Turns 18 ga to the ferrite core then back to the flyswatter.....   Output is a jacobs ladder 3 cm  plasma which I intend to use for the kapanadze coils   .   check my yt   Energy Amplification Pt 3   Jacobs Ladder 030313  totoalas
I tried this set upt with flyswatter in Energy Amplification Pt. 2  and both caps  charged up.......(circuit in the Energy Amplification thread)
The latest video in OU about a french guy in the mountain  showed earth, battery, small spark then kapanadze  to 1.7 kw lamps then to a heater
that means its doable  only on the conversion of spark to energy we need to concentrate...   the ist part using off the shelf materials
totoalas :)
For the meantime we can use hybrid  Kapanadze to simplify and amplify....  a guy in yt used two ignition coils in parallel using 150 uf 350 v ac caps in series  and a 600 watts dimmer using 220 v ac as power source and a spark of 3 inches  thats  strong enough in my understanding ......

All the builds I've seen use spark gaps in the mm range.  A spark will form at between 1 and 2kV per mm of gap depending on air humidity.  SR193 was talking about a minimum of 3kV supply to start seeing see OU effects. Start low and go up, 3 inches sparks will make for a quite unruly circuit, when using a spark gap in series with the load, and working around it would be hazardous at best if not downright impossible when powered. It will also make placing other components such as diodes and caps very difficult, as you would need to drown them in epoxy, or mineral oil.

m:o)