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Dave45

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Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2013, 04:49:33 AM »
I think one of our problems is understanding the magnetic field, there is a static field and there is a kinetic field.
The static field is the field we see when we put iron filings on a sheet of paper. The static field interacts with the iron but the iron is not effected by the kinetic field, the kinetic field is electrical and needs an electrical medium to be viewed.
In this vid you can see the kinetic electric field interacting with the plasma.
There are two fields associated with a magnet, one is the static field(viewed with iron filings) and the kinetic field (A-vector field) viewed with plasma.
A magnet is essentially a motor sitting there running, we just have to understand how to tie into that motor and make it work for us.
In the drawings I post I am drawing the electric field, the static field is normally only shown with north south representations.

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« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2013, 04:49:33 AM »

Dave45

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« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2013, 01:34:05 PM »
This is a coil I submerged in water and froze you can see the A vector field.
This is the field we need to study.

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Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2013, 02:28:32 PM »
@TinMan

Regarding the circuit posted by @TK, why is the first 1N914 (left) the same model as the second that is also in series with a resistor and capacitor? That is curious because both have the same attribute but will be working under different conditions and I doubt if that is the best choice.

I think you need to hunt for the best first diode. I use this diode carousel to always hunt for the best diode models. While some diodes can give zero results, another will give 1 while another will give 10. You never know and will be very surprised and happy to have this. You could be wasting hours and hours without knowing the diode was the effect killer or reducer to begin with. So you always need to hunt and not take diodes for granted. Even if the circuit works, it may work better with another diode model with dramatic results.

http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups%27%20stuff/diode-carrousel/

You can use this on the load as well with the dioded capacitor as seen and a volt meter across the capacitor. You can then place a load on the cap as well and really see the voltage load on the cap in real time while you change your frequency settings.

Also, maybe try to put a toroid coil or other coil type in series with the bifilar. Try on one side, then on the other side. If there is a secondary on the added coil, try shorting the secondary.

Or if you had a second bifilar as your first one, put in series, one over the the other with a piece of plastic (dielectric) in between.

@Dave45

Interesting concept. we will be getting into that as well but will be asking some very precise questions about that but not yet. hehehe

wattsup

Dave45

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Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2013, 03:24:54 PM »
Hope you dont mind if I ramble on a bit, we can determine the direction the A vector field travels by looking at the spin of our planet. If north is up our planet spins from west to east, if north is up the A vector field moves to the right across the static magnetic field.
The A vector field acts like a gear that moves independent of the shaft and will interact just like a gear with another gear.

tinman

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Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2013, 03:34:28 PM »
Hi Wattsup
TK just took a pick as to what diodes he would use,as i never posted the diode type on the schematic.
Im useing 1n4004's.The cap and resistor are for a voltage reference point ,but also have some feed back into the led's via the coil-just a small additive.
Indeed there is much more experimenting with this circuit to go,and things like diodes and cap's of diferent values will be tried.
I have a video uploaded,but i am waiting to hear from TK in reguards to my request that he open's a thread on this circuit-as i feel he is more up to speed on electronics than myself.

But i think you will find that the results from this very simple circuit are indeed very good.
It is my intention to do as was requested by this thread,and show all that i have-open sorce.

Thanks

Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2013, 03:34:28 PM »

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Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2013, 05:16:22 PM »
Asset Maximization

Wattsup
You are a most trusted member and asset to this community.We have many other assets out there that are quite strapped financially but perfectly willing and able to contribute to these pages.

Just Take  Tinsel as one example,he Burns up personal resources for public gain all the time!
there are others here  stymied  so much by Lack of funds.they can't even start to help.

Perhaps a builders acc't with certain vendors?

Setting up a link to "fund" and a method to access the resources [anonymously if requiered ]would get a whole new set of skilled eyes and hands working on these projects.
Times are hard [very hard for some].
?
Thx
Chet
PS
Soundicek {paul} at Energetic has done this "fund raising" successfully with One project [ongoing].

TinselKoala

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Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2013, 06:56:41 PM »
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Regarding the circuit posted by @TK, why is the first 1N914 (left) the same model as the second that is also in series with a resistor and capacitor?
They are fast, small signal diodes within the parameters of the circuit. Also.... I have about a hundred of them and they aren't doing anyone any good sitting in a box, so I try to use them whenever possible.
But since tinman is using 1n4004 rectifiers I suppose I should too. I've just checked my diode stash and I have 3 left, along with some of 4002 and 4005 and 4007.
I have a few other diode types. I'm down to my last new MUR1560, but I have a handful of various fast diodes pulled from TV chassis, and some 1n5400, and one STTH8S06D from a TV. And a half dozen germaniums, 1n34a and 1n60.
My usual strategy in cases like this would be to put in a couple of candidate diodes and be able to select between them with a switch while the circuit is running.
I am running out of supplies, but I think I still have a handful of SPDT switches I can use. No room on that little scrap of circuit board though.... well, I'll see what I can manage.

Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2013, 06:56:41 PM »

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Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2013, 03:48:48 PM »
TK,

Would I assume correctly that you are driving tinman's circuit with a symmetrical bipolar signal (+/- 4v for eg.) from your FG?

If so, then it is quite understandable why or how you would achieve "zero current" at low currents and not at higher currents.

Remember that your meters are going to indicate what the average current is. So you could be driving amps at both polarities and still indicate "zero current", provided  the + and - currents are equal. At low current I suspect they are quite close in this circuit, but at a higher voltage output from the FG, the load it sees is imbalanced (per the schematic), therefore the current indicates some net value, albeit that value is most likely not representative of anything realistic.

With a 50 Ohm output, your FG could in fact be sourcing significant current to those LED's. I suspect it is much higher than 2.5mA at least.

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Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2013, 04:25:22 PM »
TK,

You and tinman may wish to try something like this.

TinselKoala

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Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2013, 06:51:33 PM »
TK,

Would I assume correctly that you are driving tinman's circuit with a symmetrical bipolar signal (+/- 4v for eg.) from your FG?

Yes, that's right, just as Tinman is doing with his oscillator. I have also driven it with both positive only and negative only square waves (all of which should be translated into the "red/black" FG output terminology, to avoid confusion, as we found in another case using negative supplies from the FG.....) and sine and ramp signals as well.

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If so, then it is quite understandable why or how you would achieve "zero current" at low currents and not at higher currents.

Remember that your meters are going to indicate what the average current is. So you could be driving amps at both polarities and still indicate "zero current", provided  the + and - currents are equal. At low current I suspect they are quite close in this circuit, but at a higher voltage output from the FG, the load it sees is imbalanced (per the schematic), therefore the current indicates some net value, albeit that value is most likely not representative of anything realistic.
Actually the response for me is the other way around; the readings are less symmetrical at low FG output amplitudes, but that might be due to my instrumental setup. I hope it's clear from the videos, both mine and TM's, that the settings that give the exact zeros are quite precise and need careful tuning of input power level and frequency.

My comment posted early yesterday  morning in reply to someone on the video page:
Quote from: TK
Thank you... I do know how to make accurate measurements.
The point of this demonstration is to reproduce Tinman's circuit and DMM readings. Did I give the impression that I thought the meter readings were accurate? If so I apologise.
They are averaging﻿ a pulse train that has positive and negative going components.... they _should_ read Zero all of the time if they are accurately averaging this pulse train.

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With a 50 Ohm output, your FG could in fact be sourcing significant current to those LED's. I suspect it is much higher than 2.5mA at least.

Yes, that is right, and that is also why I've repeated the testing with 50R in series (Carbon resistors, 2x100R 2Watt in parallel) with the FG output, with the same brilliantly blinding results... but of course the F43 is capable of supplying 40V p-p.

Also, the F43 has an "isolation" switch that isolates the "black" output (the shield or ground of the BNC connector/cable) from the instrument's chassis and the line input ground. All the BNC connectors in the unit are isolated from the chassis anyway,  and I've moved the F43's signal isolation switch to the front panel, it was on the back along with the input voltage selector, kind of a pain to reach around for, but now.... I've probably voided my warranty by drilling a hole in my panel and putting a toggle switch there.

Sorry I haven't gotten scoposcopy up yet... I am having motivational difficulties right now, plus I've discovered a bunch of Wallander episodes on YT, both the British ones with Branaugh and the Swedish ones with English subtitles. Very distracting, they require full attention for the best performance impact.

But I have done the scoposcopy, just not videoed it yet. The reason the meters read zero is clear. The reason the meters sometimes read differently from each other is because of subtle wave-shaping at certain freqs and input power settings..... I think.

The sheer brilliance of the LEDs is still astounding. I am quite sure they will not get this bright with straight DC without blowing out in a hurry. But I don't have a pile of them to waste, nor an accurate instrumental means of looking at absolute brightness levels. I have found good lux-meter setups using the Arduino but I don't have the necessary sensor, TSL235.

TK,

You and tinman may wish to try something like this.

Yes, that's right. In my case I can also vary the output offset, and/or use the positive-only or negative-only wave settings on the F43.

Tinman has said that he would rather that I started a thread on his circuit here, since he's involved elsewhere, but I can't figure out what category to put it in, and I'm not in any sense "leading" research on this item. Nor do I know just where TinMan is going with this ..... I think this circuit is just a preliminary build up to what he really wants to test, if I am guessing right.

Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2013, 06:51:33 PM »

wattsup

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Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2013, 04:15:54 PM »
@TK and @Tinman

If you want, you can open a thread inside this moderated group or ride on this thread for a while, no problem. This thread is just a mishmash or bounce board to run some insights.
Just go here if you want to start a new thread.
http://www.overunity.com/understanding-overunity/#.UO7JhXe9rok

About the circuit, for me, the bifilar coil is acting like a capacitor except in reverse.

Caps discharge on connect, inductors discharge on disconnect. But in this case the bifilar inductor is also a  capacitor. So what does it do in this circuit? I'd love to see some scope shots, one with the bifilar and one where you measure the bifilar capacitance and replace it with a real capacitor of that value. Will they act the same way? What if the same value cap and bifilar were in parallel.

@all

For me I want to look at each step of the pulsing process and have been mulling over what step #1 should be and till now, I think starting by just taking a wire and shorting it across a car battery would be a good first step.

What does DC do to a wire? Do it 10 times. 5 times with the positive side connected first and 5 times with negative side connected first. Measure from the positive to the negative where the wire breaks. Report the results to the group. If 2-3 guys can do this, it will provide more input and possibly confirm a trend. Then asking the question, why are the results the way they are. Then comparing this to conventional theory. Then comparing it to alternative theory. What fits the effect.

This one little simple but destructive action of shorting a wire could say so much and maybe we just jumped over this effect as a given. But everything else that we can imagine, build and then connect to this same battery is but a fancier version of a short circuit and if we don't really know how our battery works under the simplest of these, how are we supposed to best use it?

So maybe the short circuit is the ultimate battle of the dualities. What if 100 wire lengths were shorted, where does it break the most and why? The wire type I am thinking of is non enameled 14 awg or 16 awg copper wire that has no bends and connected directly to the battery terminal with pliers. What do you think the majority will show?

@Dave45

This is a coil I submerged in water and froze you can see the A vector field.
This is the field we need to study.

Yes, this is one question to answer. If the coil was constantly energized or pulsed while the water was freezing, then you need one more coil in a separate cylinder of freezing water as well but not energized and as a control base, one more cylinder without a coil, to compare and confirm the differences. Otherwise you can then make many erroneous assumptions of what you are seeing.

Is the visual effect frequency dependent and what happens when the frequency changes while the water is freezing. What if the coil received a stronger capacitive discharge, etc.

Usually one little experiment will open up more questions and more variables. The more you do of these, the more you will learn about the effect.

wattsup

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Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2013, 04:26:55 PM »

Dave45

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Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2013, 03:17:47 PM »
Hey TK
I was thinking about the vid you did with the plasma mug
As you can see the field stays the same, its just how we are viewing it

wattsup

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Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2013, 04:21:30 PM »
@all

Hmmmmmm. Very hectic weekend in our family but I had some time to try wire shorts over a fully charged 12vdc car battery. I used 14awg wire of 12" long each. The effect is so immediate and too fast to visually comprehend the effect. Also, the wire goes into plasma mode and just falls apart due to its own weight. I have to find a way to slow down the destructive effect and also to fully support the wire on a stone material so the wire breach would be caused by the over current and not by gravity. I will have to use the camera and hopefully afterward with VitualDubMod at 30 frames per second, I could see the effect progression. You would probably need a real high speed camera to see it in true slow motion.

Yes I know this sounds so juvenile because we all know what happens to a wire when you short it on a car battery, but we do not really know what is happening in that one split second. We see the immediate outcome and stop there, but there is much more to this then meets the eye.

What is happening in a wire under extreme conditions is what is happening in our coils under lesser extremes. I need to know this in order to design a better primary coil strategy because I am convinced this is where we are all going wrong. The primary is the ether attractor and director. How you wind and configure the primary will ultimately determine the maximum flux changes in a core. It will also determine where on the core those changes occur and how far these changes can transfer to one or more secondaries. There are so many variations of this one simple process that we can wind up getting lost in the standard methods for years and years.

The ultimate way to learn more about primary coils is pretty simple. You would require a toroidal core onto which you wind about 10 turns of wire, but at each turn you make a tap point. The ultimate again would be to then use 11 scope probes, one on each tap point plus the ends and all probes set at the same values. Then while you pulse the coil you can read the waveforms, hence energy changes throughout the primary coil while you make changes to frequency, width and amplitude pulse values. There is much more going on in the coil then we think by just looking at scoped waveforms at the start and end of a coil.  I have never seen this done this way. Sort of like when they put a bunch of probes on your head to measure the brain activity, but do it to measure coil activity.

wattsup

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« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2013, 02:07:26 PM »
@all

OK, so here are three brief videos for shorting a battery with 14 awg by 12" long wires. From the first, then second then third video the battery power seems to decline so ideally I would need an good DC power supply that will always provide the same power level on each trial. But actually I am very happy already because they do show the effect in three different energy levels.

Understanding Overunity - Battery Short - Test 1
http://youtu.be/iAeoktG6hkg

Understanding Overunity - Battery Short - Test 2
http://youtu.be/tOMFbi7qXyo

Understanding Overunity - Battery Short - Test 3
http://youtu.be/78CoFCCyFBA

In all three videos the positive (left) was connected first.

So here is a small challenge to all OUers. Something so simple as shorting a wire and creating this simple effect but I would like to know how this is explained in standard EE methods or what you think is happening in alternative theory.

The answer is right in front of your eyes, but how will your EE trained mind tell your eyes what they are seeing, is what I am interested in. Then we can talk about the logic and see where this will lead to as a definite conclusion.

One simple question, let's see how many answers. What do you see in DC?

Eventually I would like to try this with 12vac and 100 amps. How will the effect differ? Hmmmmmm.

wattsup