Cookies-law

Cookies help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
http://www.overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please leave this website now. Many thanks for your understanding.
Amazon Warehouse Deals ! Now even more Deep Discounts ! Check out these great prices on slightly used or just opened once only items.I always buy my gadgets via these great Warehouse deals ! Highly recommended ! Many thanks for supporting OverUnity.com this way.

FireMatch

FireMatch

CCKnife

CCKnife

CCTool

CCTool

Magpi Magazine

Magpi Magazine Free Rasberry Pi Magazine

Battery Recondition

Battery Recondition

Arduino

Ultracaps

YT Subscribe

Gravity Machines

Tesla-Ebook

Magnet Secrets

Lindemann Video

Navigation

Products

Statistics


  • *Total Posts: 493864
  • *Total Topics: 14514
  • *Online Today: 44
  • *Most Online: 103
(December 19, 2006, 11:27:19 PM)
  • *Users: 4
  • *Guests: 118
  • *Total: 122

Facebook

Author Topic: 1850 Watts free energy power ? New GEGENE circuit by JL Naudin shows COP = 2.8  (Read 180181 times)

Offline Paul-R

  • without_ads
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1757
Double induction hobs on offer -
1800watt and 1300watt. £59. Very short tome offer beginning Oct 20th, this Thursday.

https://www.aldi.co.uk/double-induction-hob/p/071829061402600

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy


Offline Paul-R

  • without_ads
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1757
induction hobs back in stock at Lidl.

http://www.lidl.co.uk/en/our-offers-2491.htm?action=showDetail&id=38922

... but today and tomorrow only.

Offline lancaIV

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 2126
NICO ELECTRO
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=US&NR=5130608A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19920714&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP



and Victor Arestov Technology http://www.arestov.de/index.php/de/kontakt
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=victor+arestov&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search

http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=WO&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A2&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2012065719&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en

Experiments of the applicant have shown that the circuit arrangement is particularly efficient if the electric load is a light source in the form of a light bulb or in the form of a light emitting diode. So could a lamp that could be operated on a 12 volt battery in continuous operation only 25 minutes, 65 minutes, operated in pulsed mode with the same battery. Further, the experiments of the applicant have shown that for the case that an electric motor is used as a load, this can be a further capacitor connected in parallel to further increase efficiency. Of course, as a load and an electric heating element, for example in the form of a heating coil may be used. 

                                         65 min (pulsed mode) divided 25 min( continuous operation) = >2

Offline jbignes5

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1281
I built this exactly as the instructions said to do it.  I tried Bi-filar & non Bi-filar & got
about the same wattage as I put in.  Absolutely NO O-U.

The only thing I got was burned fingers from the overheated coil.  LOL
                                                                                                                                        .

 This is because you did not make the bifilar coil RIGHT.

 Tesla Quote "In order to produce the greatest possible movement of electricity through a region of the earth in accordance with the plan involving use of a single terminal oscillator, as here experimented with, it is desirable to obtain in some way a large capacity on the free terminal. This is connected with difficulty as spheres get to be too large with moderate tensions and when the tensions go into the millions, streamers can not be easily overcome. The streamers involve loss of pressure just as leaks would on a water pipe which is closed at one end. Large capacity is obtainable in a number of ways of which some are:
 
 1) a coil wound for maximum capacity (internal). The turns are so disposed that between the adjacent turns of layers there exists a great difference of potential, as much as the insulation can stand."

 So to have a bifilar coil you need the wires in parallel. One coil always being separated by the other. An easier way to see this is this. One coil is solid and the other is dotted. The first pass of energy goes into the center being separated by the second coil which receives the first coils discharge to flow back into the center again and out the second coils end.
 You failed to see anything because you didn't provide the additional capacitance needed in the first coil to negate the self inductance of that coil. The capacitance is provided by the two coils woven in such a way that each turn is separated by the other coils turns.
    Like in this example in picture below.

Offline pauldude000

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 560
    • My electronics/programming website
This is because you did not make the bifilar coil RIGHT.


That is true. One thing I have discovered is that, though there is supposedly a standard for application of definitions, many people use loose personal interpretations of the definition to arrive at conclusions based off of another persons loose terminology. Tesla actually has this information in a patent I remember reading, can't remember the number. The purpose was for negating a coils inductance as you posted by using the coils capacitance. People need to realize that Tesla utilized each aspect of a coil to create whatever he needed within a circuit. A coil can be used as a capacitor, a resistor, an inductor, etc.


It's purpose within a circuit does not have to be for electromagnetic inductance.


If a length of wire is folded over in the middle, then wound into a coil, the flow of electricity in both directions at the same time relative to the initial direction of current flow negates the induction of the total coil, with the two opposing fields canceling each other.


People pick up a component and only think of the principle use for which it was designed. That is a flaw in logic.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Sponsored links:




Offline jbignes5

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1281
 The post I replied to was from the quoted guy and he showed the coil he used. Flat two conductor speaker wire not in a bifilar method but a split coil one on top of the other. That will not work as a bifilar since the inductance is twice the inductance of the single coil with two in series connection. Then he states it doesn't work. It would have if you took the time to understand the bifilar coil and actually built one.

 Now back to the quote of Tesla's:

 In order to produce the greatest possible movement of electricity through a region of the earth in accordance with the plan involving use of a single terminal oscillator, as here experimented with, it is desirable to obtain in some way a large capacity on the free terminal. This is connected with difficulty as spheres get to be too large with moderate tensions and when the tensions go into the millions, streamers can not be easily overcome. The streamers involve loss of pressure just as leaks would on a water pipe which is closed at one end.

 Here he talks about his experiments with single terminal oscillators and how he got rid of the huge balls needed to run the system. Curious that he uses the bifilar coil in a single wire mode and the increased capacitance in the bifilar coil can be used to replace the ball in that system. Could you wrap an additional coil around the bifilar and harvest the electrical signals off that single wire system as well?

Offline pauldude000

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 560
    • My electronics/programming website
No need to be snippy. Bifilar can stand for several DIFFERENT types of coil windings when termination is concerned, of which his was one type and Tesla's is another. That is why I explained the problem in terminology usage.


Person A builds a Tesla type bifilar, yet just says bifilar when describing its construction, and then Person B winds a different type of bifilar because person A should dang well have specified the difference to begin with.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifilar_coil


The link is a great one for this purpose as it shows pictures several bifilar coil types, including the Tesla type.


By definition ANY two parallel conductor coil is bifilar, and this is independent upon how each coil is terminated.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Sponsored links:




Offline pauldude000

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 560
    • My electronics/programming website
Now, to harvest high potential electricity and convert it to a more manageable form is a question I think I may have solved. How many have heard of another high frequency coil designed for the purpose of reducing high voltage to a much lower voltage?


It is called a D'Arsonval coil, and I think a system built around one (or more than one if necessary) might even be usable if designed properly to even convert static discharges into a usable form. The D'Arsonval coil is a step-down type auto transformer originally designed for quack electrotherapy in the early 1900's.


It helps being conversant with the various coils and builders of the day, of which Tesla got the ball rolling, so to speak. Most people that claim to build Tesla coils are actually building Oudin coils, as a for instance.

Offline jbignes5

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1281
 I wasn't being snippy. I was being a matter of fact.

 The gegene circuit was very clear about the construction of the bifilar coil to the flat wound pancake style.

 Most people claim that a tall solenoid coil surrounded by a thick primary is a Tesla coil. It is not. Oliver lodge created that coil and not Tesla. Oliver lodge didn't have the understanding that Tesla did about Teslian systems. In fact Oliver lodge disclaimed a lot of Tesla discoveries because he couldn't replicate it. What Oliver Lodge did replicate was a toy so to speak and it was left that way for many many years because of the lack of understanding and the ability to replicate what was being shown to them.

 Why do we need a special coil to step down high voltage? Whats wrong with a regular old transformer to do that?

Offline Paul-R

  • without_ads
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1757
Induction hobs back in stock at £29.99 but only for a few days. At Aldi UK.

https://www.aldi.co.uk/ambiano-single-induction-hob/p/076535129038100

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Sponsored links:




Offline Paul-R

  • without_ads
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1757
Induction hobs, back in Lidl, in the UK from this Sunday, May 7th: (only for a few days)

https://www.lidl.co.uk/en/Non-Food-Offers.htm?articleId=2757

Offline MenofFather

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 934
Hi All
Jean Louis Naudin is back with a replication of some russian induction heater cookplate
Tesla spiral bifilar coil transformer experiments
where it seems the output power is muchh bigger than the input power.

Here is his website about it:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/indexen.htm

and here is his youtube video about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W2ABWjeTrk

Here are the 2 referenced videos by the Russian experimentors:

http://youtu.be/6rzUnQ4v9z8

http://youtu.be/yT16-togIhw


Now the question is what kind of waveform does one get at the output of such
a flat Tesla spiral coil ?

Especially when the primary input coil in the heater unit is pulsed at high frequency
and the coil that Naudin has built is put into resonance ?

Are the eddy currents going into resonance and extract any heat energy from the environment
with it and convert it to electrical energy so the electrical output energy is higher than the input energy into the cooking plate coil ?

Hopefullythis will not just be any measurement errors again...
But both power meters show 1000 Watts input the one inside the cooker and
the other on the grid line...
Hmm...

Is it really so easy to get 1850 Watts of free electrical power this way ???

What do you think ?

Many thanks.

Regards. Stefan.
In vis video is error in meashurements.
For example take this image http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/images/gegene13gvtg.jpg
From peak to peak is 370 V. So now divide from 2 is 185 V. Now is multiplie 0.7 to give RMs of 24 kiloherc is 129 volts. Now 129 multiplae 0.7 to give  RMS of 50 herc and is 90.65 V
So true RMS is not 131 V, but 91 V. And with curent http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/images/gegene13hcur.jpg is not 14.8 A, but 11 A I calculate. So tru power acording my calculations is 11 x 91=1001 W while input is 1155 W http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/gegene18en.htm
 :D

Offline MenofFather

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 934
Here is corect meashurement metod http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/gegene05en.htm
and here he not get overunity.
 :D

Offline Paul-R

  • without_ads
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1757
Here is corect meashurement metod http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/gegene05en.htm
and here he not get overunity.
 :D
The business of using lightmeters and light bulbs seems very unsatisfactory. Why he doesn't use a resistive load and measure the rise in temperature of a tank of water is beyond me.

Offline MenofFather

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 934
The business of using lightmeters and light bulbs seems very unsatisfactory. Why he doesn't use a resistive load and measure the rise in temperature of a tank of water is beyond me.
Why incorect with light meter? If light meter position same, lamps position same. So lighmeter Must show same value on same power. Naudin set seme lightmeter readings with power from variac and meashure consumption power and with induction and meashure poer and from variac is less power consumption, while lightmeter showing same results. So thats wrong?

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy


 

Share this topic to your favourite Social and Bookmark site

Please SHARE this topic at: