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Author Topic: 1850 Watts free energy power ? New GEGENE circuit by JL Naudin shows COP = 2.8  (Read 180246 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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I think the Joule heating of the coffeepot is the best output power measurement he's made so far. There is not much that can go wrong with the method the way he did it.

Yes, the test with the water hettle boiler was the most accurate and as this one and the light comparison test
showed underunity, the whole setup seems not to be overunity....
Too bad...but did you expect from just an aircore transformer with no external input via the environment ?

Maybe it could be brought to overunity mode, if the transmitter coil is wired to house ground
and the driver current , after going through the transmitter coil not being connected to the grid ground,
but only to a house ground or water pipe ?
Then the transmitter coil could suck in free electrons from the ground and the input current will
go down...


2. Also it would be interesting to see how iron wire for the bifilar output coil would work and also  it would
be interesting to see, if grounding the bulb loads to a water pipe will decrease the input currents for the transmitter coil.

So basically you will have then some Avramenko Plug design at work, so a one wire resonance system which
could suck in free electrons from the ground line...

Regards, Stefan.

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2. Also it would be interesting to see how iron wire for the bifilar output coil would work and also  it would
be interesting to see, if grounding the bulb loads to a water pipe will decrease the input currents for the transmitter coil.

Regards, Stefan.


I think the iron wire would heat up like a steel/iron pan on the stove top would heat.

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Yes, the test with the water hettle boiler was the most accurate and as this one and the light comparison test
showed underunity, the whole setup seems not to be overunity....
Too bad...but did you expect from just an aircore transformer with no external input via the environment ?

Maybe it could be brought to overunity mode, if the transmitter coil is wired to house ground
and the driver current , after going through the transmitter coil not being connected to the grid ground,
but only to a house ground or water pipe ?
Then the transmitter coil could suck in free electrons from the ground and the input current will
go down...


2. Also it would be interesting to see how iron wire for the bifilar output coil would work and also  it would
be interesting to see, if grounding the bulb loads to a water pipe will decrease the input currents for the transmitter coil.

So basically you will have then some Avramenko Plug design at work, so a one wire resonance system which
could suck in free electrons from the ground line...

Regards, Stefan.


Hi Stefan,
I asked romerouk if he had tried to use an earth ground with his setup, but he replied, there's no difference on output power.

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I think the iron wire would heat up like a steel/iron pan on the stove top would heat.

Yes, but I guess how much would depend on the thickness on the wire...
Otherwise there is also stranded iron wire, something like this which is used
for 12 Volts halogen lighting where they put 2 wires besides each other in
parallel and hang these halogen spots between them.

These are stranded iron wires and come with an isolation plastic coating
around them.
Would be interesting to see, if they will also heat up too fast...

Regards, Stefan.

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Hi Stefan,
I asked romerouk if he had tried to use an earth ground with his setup, but he replied, there's no difference on output power.

Yes, maybe not in output power, but what about the input power ?

Will it be lower then ?

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2. Question: WHy does the aluminium cooler plate get not hot inside the cooker ?
It should also get hot by eddy currents...

Is it not made out of full aluminium metal ?

Many thanks.

it is not aluminium
 
see this :
http://www.google.com/patents/US4163139?printsec=drawing#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
and this
 
http://www.fairchildsemi.com/an/AN/AN-9012.pdf
 
http://www.google.com/patents/US3796850?printsec=drawing#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
http://europace.oxfordjournals.org/content/8/5/377.full.pdf
 
PS : JLN is looping is gegene

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These are stranded iron wires and come with an isolation plastic coating
Presumably you mean steel wires rather than iron wires.

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JLN latest video on his very interesting Tesla Pancake energy device, this time adding a feedback coil for input to an inverter:
GEGENE : Closed Loop test Phase 2 with a Grid Tie Inverter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OlLRrTSvYU
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The next logical step would be to feed the Grid Tie Inverter instead of the halogen lamps, use the output from the GTI as input to the induction cooktop.
And use the smaller coil as “extra” power output? (lamps etc)?
 
Will it be a self-runner with power to spare?  
 
Thanks for the video/link
Mike

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Why oh why do people insist on using the "box label" on a device as the "output power" no matter "watt" ? If a light bulb says "500 Watts" on it, that does NOT mean that it will always dissipate 500 Watts !! This is its rated power dissipation when it is supplied with its rated voltage from a source capable of supplying the necessary current so that the voltage doesn't sag. Just because there are 1800 watts of bulbs connected to the circuit and glowing, that does not mean that the circuit is dissipating 1800 Watts !!
Jean-Louis surely knows this.

I am watching this thread and his videos with great amusement. The chances of self-looping are nil. The output power available is less than the input power and he's already confirmed this by two independent sets of measurements: the rough calorimetry, which could NOT be in error by enough to invalidate his results, and also the photometry of the light output.

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Why oh why do people insist on using the "box label" on a device as the "output power" no matter "watt" ? If a light bulb says "500 Watts" on it, that does NOT mean that it will always dissipate 500 Watts !! This is its rated power dissipation when it is supplied with its rated voltage from a source capable of supplying the necessary current so that the voltage doesn't sag. Just because there are 1800 watts of bulbs connected to the circuit and glowing, that does not mean that the circuit is dissipating 1800 Watts !!
Jean-Louis surely knows this.

I am watching this thread and his videos with great amusement. The chances of self-looping are nil. The output power available is less than the input power and he's already confirmed this by two independent sets of measurements: the rough calorimetry, which could NOT be in error by enough to invalidate his results, and also the photometry of the light output.
Exactly!
If it really produces a true 2.8 out for every 1 in then a looping self-runner should be no problem, (conversion efficiencies included), and it will be the ultimate proof.
Great thread/info/links
 
Thanks
Mike
 

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Hmm,
from:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/gegene13en.htm

we see, that he uses about 750 Watts from the grid,
but his whole unit needs 990 Watts to run.

So who is supplying the EXTRA 240 Watts ?

Or are the lights bulbs only as bright.
as if really only 750 Watts would be fed into the whole system ???

Hmm...confusing...

As the Kettle water cooker and the light comparison have shown, the system seems to be underunity,
but this new test is baffling again... hmm...


Regards, Stefan.

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I don't know why now so many are interested in JLN last video as if he came up with this idea.  The exact same test was done 5 days ago by Romero UK and almost no one commented.

Jan. 3rd Post: http://www.overunity.com/13228/1850-watts-free-energy-power-new-gegene-circuit-by-jl-naudin-shows-cop-2-8/msg349857/#msg349857

Romero UK video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8_zj4cRXYk&feature=em-uploademail

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yes Romero did the same test but it even was more confusing cause he never posted a circuit diagram and not everybody knows how a grid tie inverter works.....

so is this just some kind of bootstrap effect with the second power meter showing wrong values or why does it show 240 watts more input power ??

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What i don't really understand is the fact that JLN has an excellent track record of the most complicated tests and reproductions , with very complicated systems and measurements..


Then he vanishes for a long while ...


And returns with this... stating a bold conclusion.. based on the output of the brightness ...


Am I the only one who find it a little strange..?


He should (or does) know better..


Unless he is trying to tell us something between the lines....


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