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Author Topic: 1850 Watts free energy power ? New GEGENE circuit by JL Naudin shows COP = 2.8  (Read 161232 times)

Offline Eighthman

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Arghhhhh !    Somebody Please Slay the Evil Deceptive Power Factor Monster that threatens all these wonderful claims.  Make everything into nice filtered DC and THEN measure it into a load.  Very simple and accurate. 
 
No more trying to integrate weird waveforms and figure out real power. Just Do It.

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Offline Farmhand

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Arghhhhh !    Somebody Please Slay the Evil Deceptive Power Factor Monster that threatens all these wonderful claims.  Make everything into nice filtered DC and THEN measure it into a load.  Very simple and accurate. 
 
No more trying to integrate weird waveforms and figure out real power. Just Do It.

I agree, somebody at least rectify and smooth the output then run the load from that. If the smoothed DC output shows more than
the rated power of the cooker then we need to look further.

It would seem most people don't want to know what the output actually is, it seems people prefer to make things more complicated than they really are.
When faced with a claimed over unity device the first objective should be to accurately determine the average output power.
The easiest and most accurate way is to rectify and smooth the output for loading and measurement.

What will be funny is when someone like me does measure the rectified and smoothed output and finds it less than the rated and the measured input
using a simple setup, and show the whole debacle could have been put to rest before it started.

Will Naudin be seen as a distractor then or will he just be seen as a very smart man who forgot how to accurately measure the output power of a transformer
with simple equipment ?

Will people just sit and wait for his next distraction ? Or will they jump behind some other distractor.

I've got an induction cooker and the wire I need as well as the smoothing caps ect. if it is up to me to do the test I will be rubbing it right in for some time.

Who seeks truth and who just wants to perpetuate dubious OU claims just for the sake of it ?

If the Smoothed DC output test is not done with in week or two, i'll do it myself. And it will cost me money for load lamps to do it so I will not be happy if it is
left for me to do when others already have the equipment.

Cheers


Offline casstete

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I agree, somebody at least rectify and smooth the output then run the load from that. If the smoothed DC output shows more than
the rated power of the cooker then we need to look further.

It would seem most people don't want to know what the output actually is, it seems people prefer to make things more complicated than they really are.
When faced with a claimed over unity device the first objective should be to accurately determine the average output power.
The easiest and most accurate way is to rectify and smooth the output for loading and measurement.

Cheers

I ... as a layman ... find it very funny talking about disinformation like yourself and the saying that one can take a accurate output measure ; )

I KNOW that 95% of overunity devices produce more when the load is increased and draw less from the source at the SAME time .

So I would say . Nature is in a equilibrium ... you break it and it fills it instantly with MORE just to be sure to balance . The additional energy is absorbed by ... Lead Batteries , Quartz , Water more importantly any living thing . It's never lost .

Free Energy devices work on fluctuation there is no constant energy input for radiant / lenzless or back emf devices .

Higher the load the less energy required from source  .

So what am I saying ?

You can get a COP 0.7 or COP 5+  with the same circuit . 

Anyway , there is the MEG , the U Generator the POD Jean Louis built for 50$ and shows overunity .

Jean Louis Naudin may miss things but he tends to correct them , he may have been visited by Annan whos son is a Big Oil exec but I don't think he's in on disinformation

He is THE BEST replicator of free energy devices and deserves our respect 

Offline Farmhand

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If any of those devices had shown over unity the Inventers would be rich, simple fact is none have shown over unity yet that is verified, they are just claims that are most likely based only on their own measurements.

If they have produced OU devices then what happened ? Do people just make an OU device then sit it on the shelf and forget about it then build something else ?

Show us the proof of the over unity operation of these devices. And it should be verified by a neutral third party, a paid analysis, if I had a circuit or device I thought was OU I would check and double triple check then get it evaluated by a qualified professional and get a report on the in/out figures.

The fact that none of these devices are followed through to produce any independent evaluations by the people claiming they have OU and they do nothing with the devices common sense tells me the claims were mistaken at best or fraudulent at worst.

What is the point to developing an OU device then do nothing with it ?

Here's a challenge for you. Choose just one OU device build it, then prove it is OU by showing in out measurements or by looping or prove it by some means. Now you may be able to get some people to believe it but that is not proof.

I hope you spill your next drink on yourself for calling me names.  :P

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I ... as a layman ... find it very funny talking about disinformation like yourself and the saying that one can take a accurate output measure ; )

I KNOW that 95% of overunity devices produce more when the load is increased and draw less from the source at the SAME time .

So I would say . Nature is in a equilibrium ... you break it and it fills it instantly with MORE just to be sure to balance . The additional energy is absorbed by ... Lead Batteries , Quartz , Water more importantly any living thing . It's never lost .

Free Energy devices work on fluctuation there is no constant energy input for radiant / lenzless or back emf devices .

Higher the load the less energy required from source  .

So what am I saying ?

You can get a COP 0.7 or COP 5+  with the same circuit . 

Anyway , there is the MEG , the U Generator the POD Jean Louis built for 50$ and shows overunity .

Jean Louis Naudin may miss things but he tends to correct them , he may have been visited by Annan whos son is a Big Oil exec but I don't think he's in on disinformation

He is THE BEST replicator of free energy devices and deserves our respect

Sorry, but I have to come down on the side of Farmhand here.

We live in the semiconductor age, unlike Tesla. These high speed, high current and Shotky diodes are amazing
and could rectify GHz signals and these things would convert them to DC. Diodes let you take advantage
of the law of conservation of energy. If the diodes don't get hot then they must not be loosing very much energy
to losses inside the diodes.

Sorry again but the energy form we seek for practical applications is the kind that flows through diodes in this way.
*For all the rest* it's up to you the device designer to figure out how convert what passes for energy in your book
to you usable electrical power. This is because these other forms of energy depend on what is in your belief book.

Every sort of real energy with pulse etcetera waveform will be accepted ready to be integrated into a high value capacitor.
The low voltage DC and higher DC current enables accurate measurement with inexpensive DVM equipment that can literally
elude computational approaches with high frequency varying waveform equipment. If you have it, do yourself a favor
and measure it this way. It's definitely the Kiss 'keep it simple stupid' approach to power measurement. This is
what some of us are only willing to accept as overunity power or energy proof.

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Offline casstete

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Sorry, but I have to come down on the side of Farmhand here.

We live in the semiconductor age, unlike Tesla. These high speed, high current and Shotky diodes are amazing
and could rectify GHz signals and these things would convert them to DC. Diodes let you take advantage
of the law of conservation of energy. If the diodes don't get hot then they must not be loosing very much energy
to losses inside the diodes.

Sorry again but the energy form we seek for practical applications is the kind that flows through diodes in this way.
*For all the rest* it's up to you the device designer to figure out how convert what passes for energy in your book
to you usable electrical power. This is because these other forms of energy depend on what is in your belief book.

Every sort of real energy with pulse etcetera waveform will be accepted ready to be integrated into a high value capacitor.
The low voltage DC and higher DC current enables accurate measurement with inexpensive DVM equipment that can literally
elude computational approaches with high frequency varying waveform equipment. If you have it, do yourself a favor
and measure it this way. It's definitely the Kiss 'keep it simple stupid' approach to power measurement. This is
what some of us are only willing to accept as overunity power or energy proof.

:S:MarkSCoffman

" any sort of real energy " is the problem you have . It's all real and your body runs on over 95% on it ... 5% is the food .

So what you think is usable ?

This is all very nice but the reason why this energy is not usuable has NOTHING to do with it's potential .

The reason is that electronics are designed for the WASTE energy , thats why Tom Bearden writes about Precursor engineering for people to understand .

I have used Lakhovsky Multiwave Oscillator and Papimi devices . SO yes it's about converting it for crappy man made technology vs perfect nature ... plants ,animals & humans

Additionally this energy is used by ALL LOFE FORMS . And it can be stored in Batteries and used by plants and humans for cell regenration .

Also what is shown mechanically with Lenzless or 0 Lenz devices is exactly the same with electromagnetic devices .

It's VERY easy to see that the potential from neutralising 1 of 2 opposing north permanent magnet with electricity for a moment and then releasing it creates a 4-6 fold amount of mechanical energy (gap-power.com ) .

Torque , power everything is there , Howard Johnsons deflecting f Lenz is similar . So there you see it very obviously .

Now I may not be on par technicay with you guys , but I think I make valid points

Offline e2matrix

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" any sort of real energy " is the problem you have . It's all real and your body runs on over 95% on it ... 5% is the food .

So what you think is usable ?

This is all very nice but the reason why this energy is not usuable has NOTHING to do with it's potential .

The reason is that electronics are designed for the WASTE energy , thats why Tom Bearden writes about Precursor engineering for people to understand .

I have used Lakhovsky Multiwave Oscillator and Papimi devices . SO yes it's about converting it for crappy man made technology vs perfect nature ... plants ,animals & humans

Additionally this energy is used by ALL LOFE FORMS . And it can be stored in Batteries and used by plants and humans for cell regenration .

Also what is shown mechanically with Lenzless or 0 Lenz devices is exactly the same with electromagnetic devices .

It's VERY easy to see that the potential from neutralising 1 of 2 opposing north permanent magnet with electricity for a moment and then releasing it creates a 4-6 fold amount of mechanical energy (gap-power.com ) .

Torque , power everything is there , Howard Johnsons deflecting f Lenz is similar . So there you see it very obviously .

Now I may not be on par technicay with you guys , but I think I make valid points
I like your thinking.   It is the unseen and yet to be well understood energy that will eventually power our world.   Those who think they know everything have yet to even explain gravity.    Bits of information have been hidden and removed from mainstream physics to keep us enslaved to fossil fuel. 



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I like your thinking.   It is the unseen and yet to be well understood energy that will eventually power our world.   Those who think they know everything have yet to even explain gravity.    Bits of information have been hidden and removed from mainstream physics to keep us enslaved to fossil fuel.

Thanks and you make  very interresting point , I wonder if you ever watched Prof.Bass  "Rediscovery of Lost Secret of Moray Radiant Energy .
Systtem "

He claims that it is all Schumann resonance that powered Morays's 20 KW device . Funny thing is that Nobel Prize holder Montagnier shown in his DNA Teleportation ( f#@$ incredible ) that indeed life is brought back by 7.83 HZ .... wherever it once existed ( the water retains the DNA  information & starts recreating from beginning the original DNA )

So the experiment goes like this , 2 glasses of water with DNA , filter it out completely from one of the 2 glasses . Play 7.83HZ and after 16 hours DNA is starting to be recreated ( proteins ... and so on )

We also know that humans , plants or animals when deprived of 7.83 HZ in bunkers they built in germany for that purpose .... people get Ill , tiered , worn out & very sick after a week +- . Depressed , anxious , aggressive ... Naturally because you are removing the LIFE frequency . 

Gravity is only one ingredient , Nature works in Symbiosis as does for instance Biotransmutation or cold fusion ( Alchemy) .

We dealing with many wave forms , Magnetic , Schumann , gravity,light ,sound  ... "time" all these waves interact (resonate with something)and release energy.

I lack the electrical engineering .. so I had to approach it looking at nature like Schauberger & Grebennikov .

If I had HALF the knowledge of electrical engineering people have in these forums I would have built them by now favoring Magnetic as a Magnet is a "generator" by default where then you just need to extract it ( this is what correctly was pointed out by the previous comment )

Look i just ordered the Solartracker V 5 new system by Bedini NOT USING RADIANT as per Lindemann ... I am not happy about it because Bedini spent 20 years telling us about radiant energy and now he flipped on it ? We will wait see what he says .

Radiant was NOT the power ... the power came from what happened in the Battery when it was charged with radiant ( not JUST Pulse charging) ... you can see it in a video i posted (shit spelling ... "Raidiant /Etheric /Orgone - John Benini.)

His wheel spins faster at full moon .. !

Then we now have Keshe from Iran who released 4 GB .. all his files for his device cause they were pressuring him

You have the QEG that now plans have been released

You have Tom Bearden who wrote me that they had been payed some 200 000 000 Mil. for the MEG and that it was held back by UN .... they are not given access to the money !  BUT Jean Louis Naudin built it SUCCESSFULLY .

So most people here should be able to build it ... .

SO MANY DISINFORMATION agents out there ... and if one speaks about how a device DOESN'T work without being able to disprove it .

They are MORE useless than inventors with fake devices !

Thanks 4 sharing and sorry for extensive post  :P

Offline Farmhand

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Yes the disinformation agents are not the ones who say " there is insufficient evidence to prove the over unity claim" they are the ones who make outlandish claims with little to no supporting evidence and declare it as fact while also declaring anyone that even questions the evidence as a paid disinfo agent from the Oil companies or some similarly silly thing.

Just to pick one such situation is the Bedini "radiant" energy rubbish, his energizers/pulse motors simply charge and discharge coils, the effect of which can spin a wheel and charge a battery or capacitor, they have nothing to do with radiant energy except that they produce radiating losses, there is no evidence that I have seen to date that indicates a bedini energizer captures any radiant energy from anywhere. Nothing that bedini's energizers do cannot be done with other arrangements. What he calls "radiant energy" other people call the energy discharged from a coil.

His solar circuit (the two phase pulsing circuit, the patented one) actually open circuits the solar panels for 50% of the time, effectively limiting them to half duty. I urge you to build the device in the patent and see it for your self. I think this has been addressed, but it must be said that the circuit itself is nothing extra ordinary, it simply uses the solar energy to pulse the battery with a higher voltage from a capacitor. Anyone skilled in the art can build a solar capacitor pulser to do very same things. He didn't invent solar tracking so that aspect doesn't even come into it.

Most of all the claims are hearsay or simply unproved, anyone can claim anything without proving it, but those are empty claims.

The word "Radiant" has long been used as a "Buzzword" for advertising and marketing. That's a fact.

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Farmhand,

I give you a lot of credit.  I would say that when you look at beginning experimenters on the free energy forums that are new to electronics, you have advanced further in your knowledge than perhaps 98% of the rest of the pack.  Some of them never advance beyond a certain point.

I haven't looked at JL Naudin's work in a few years now, but I did a handful of times before that.  From what I saw at that time,  I honestly was not very impressed.  Lots of equipment and semi-professional presentation skills does not make the experimenter.  It's his knowledge and analytical skills that count.

For the whole AC vs. DC debate, it's not as simple as converting AC into DC.  There is no reason you can't work with AC although the measurements become more challenging.  Also, converting AC into DC is a challenge in itself.  If you use a simple diode or FWBR and capacitor, then the current waveform becomes a pulse waveform.  Before the pulse starts conducting, there are parts of the AC waveform that could be contributing to the power output but aren't.  There are a lot of variables and if you have a design goal, then you can figure out the best way to approach it.  I don't know if there is a magic bullet for this because I am not a hard-core electronics design guy.  Just saying "use DC" is not necessarily correct.

Casstete,

You freely admit you are a layperson, yet you are still drawing conclusions that clearly require sufficient knowledge and experience that you don't have to draw those very same conclusions.  What gives?  I wish I could understand why in the realm of free energy and electronics people believe they know what they are talking about when they clearly don't.

With respect to your newbie status, I can tell you that you have bought into the narrative associated with free energy and have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.  You have to use your critical thinking skills and start questioning what you are reading and doing your own research to check for yourself.  It's almost shocking reading your last few postings.  It's like you were just a "normal person" and you started reading this stuff and just gobbled it up and took it all to be literally true.  That's a really dangerous thing.  The most resent example is the QEG.  I read some postings by a woman on Facebook.  She left her family, I believe including young children, to go to Morocco to help out by cooking and doing whatever else she can, but she is not technical.  She left her FAMILY to run off to Morocco.  As I state in another posting, in x number of weeks she will be coming back home empty-handed having accomplished nothing.  It's sad actually.

You know the famous radio broadcast of The War of the Worlds in 1938?  People were in a panic and started to flee.  That's the kind of thing that's happening to you right now, same for the mother who left her kids to go to Morocco, and same for many people on the QEG bandwagon.

If it sounds too good to be true, then use Google and do at least an hour or more of research.  Don't be afraid to do a "negative" search also, like "<subject> fraud" or "<subject> hoax."

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Yes the disinformation agents are not the ones who say " there is insufficient evidence to prove the over unity claim" they are the ones who make outlandish claims with little to no supporting evidence and declare it as fact while also declaring anyone that even questions the evidence as a paid disinfo agent from the Oil companies or some similarly silly thing.

Just to pick one such situation is the Bedini "radiant" energy rubbish, his energizers/pulse motors simply charge and discharge coils, the effect of which can spin a wheel and charge a battery or capacitor, they have nothing to do with radiant energy except that they produce radiating losses, there is no evidence that I have seen to date that indicates a bedini energizer captures any radiant energy from anywhere. Nothing that bedini's energizers do cannot be done with other arrangements. What he calls "radiant energy" other people call the energy discharged from a coil.

His solar circuit (the two phase pulsing circuit, the patented one) actually open circuits the solar panels for 50% of the time, effectively limiting them to half duty. I urge you to build the device in the patent and see it for your self. I think this has been addressed, but it must be said that the circuit itself is nothing extra ordinary, it simply uses the solar energy to pulse the battery with a higher voltage from a capacitor. Anyone skilled in the art can build a solar capacitor pulser to do very same things. He didn't invent solar tracking so that aspect doesn't even come into it.

Most of all the claims are hearsay or simply unproved, anyone can claim anything without proving it, but those are empty claims.

The word "Radiant" has long been used as a "Buzzword" for advertising and marketing. That's a fact.

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@farmhand

You are saying that Bedini has moved away from "radiant energy" tech and I believe that is correct. There really is no such
thing as radiant energy, but what he was using was not directly radiant energy but high voltage pulsing with static electricity.
He wanted to take advantage of what works and what did not change. That is; impedence matching through using
capacitors as DC charge pumps. While it has its drawbacks his currect tech can be used with most any battery technology,
he also combined this with four stage process of battery charging including pulse charging but not with abnormally
high voltage pulses.

His radiant charging only worked with acid/lead battery chemistry and unregulated high voltage pulsing would blow out
capacitors and probably damage supercapacitors as well. Radiant charging knocks bubbles off the plates in water based acid/lead
batteries when opportunistic cosmic events are happening in a way that battery charging power is highly decoupled from the power
of the static electric pulse used to trigger the bubbles release. Other problems with this include important charge process termination
after subjecting the battery to high voltage pulses. The long thread by turion on energeticforum.com that is using a "bad" or "sensor"
batteries is all about this stuff. Its function is all real, but probabalistic.

:S:MarkSCoffman


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...

Just to pick one such situation is the Bedini "radiant" energy rubbish, his energizers/pulse motors simply charge and discharge coils, the effect of which can spin a wheel and charge a battery or capacitor, they have nothing to do with radiant energy except that they produce radiating losses, there is no evidence that I have seen to date that indicates a bedini energizer captures any radiant energy from anywhere. Nothing that bedini's energizers do cannot be done with other arrangements. What he calls "radiant energy" other people call the energy discharged from a coil.

His solar circuit (the two phase pulsing circuit, the patented one) actually open circuits the solar panels for 50% of the time, effectively limiting them to half duty. I urge you to build the device in the patent and see it for your self. I think this has been addressed, but it must be said that the circuit itself is nothing extra ordinary, it simply uses the solar energy to pulse the battery with a higher voltage from a capacitor. Anyone skilled in the art can build a solar capacitor pulser to do very same things. He didn't invent solar tracking so that aspect doesn't even come into it.

Most of all the claims are hearsay or simply unproved, anyone can claim anything without proving it, but those are empty claims.

The word "Radiant" has long been used as a "Buzzword" for advertising and marketing. That's a fact.

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I see , so when you see him using a   0.37 Watt old school panel changing a 20 Amp hour Battery .. It's trickery ?

Or when he shows you in energy from the Vacuum how "the moment the batteries are full "

The Source requires 2-3 times more energy to keep the wheel spinning "slower" than with empty batteries ... that doesn't tell you anything ?

Or when it spins faster at full moon , corroberated by other free energy inventors ?

Nothing , it's all BS ? NAA MAN .

You just STILL AFTER SO MANY YEARS DON'T UNDERSTAND .. that the potential DOESN'T COME FROM THE PULSES .

I mean sorry but FFS , Bedini tells you that testing the output from the wheel is NOT THE POINT !

It's going BEHIND the Battery pack and seeing how long it took to charge and how much energy there is .

By the way I also uploaded the part of Bedini showing the Radiant , others call Orgone , Ormus and whatnot .

IF you didn't get that by now ... you should not bother .

The Problem with the radiant is and was that it still boils the Battery , this they want to avoid with a linear technology brand new design .

They run a Battery powered Screwdriver "direct off panel" whilst charging 30 AMp hour battery at SAME TIME .

You show me the f***** charger that does that now please !


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@farmhand

You are saying that Bedini has moved away from "radiant energy" tech and I believe that is correct. There really is no such
thing as radiant energy, but what he was using was not directly radiant energy but high voltage pulsing with static electricity.
He wanted to take advantage of what works and what did not change. That is; impedence matching through using
capacitors as DC charge pumps. While it has its drawbacks his currect tech can be used with most any battery technology,
he also combined this with four stage process of battery charging including pulse charging but not with abnormally
high voltage pulses.

His radiant charging only worked with acid/lead battery chemistry and unregulated high voltage pulsing would blow out
capacitors and probably damage supercapacitors as well. Radiant charging knocks bubbles off the plates in water based acid/lead
batteries when opportunistic cosmic events are happening in a way that battery charging power is highly decoupled from the power
of the static electric pulse used to trigger the bubbles release. Other problems with this include important charge process termination
after subjecting the battery to high voltage pulses. The long thread by turion on energeticforum.com that is using a "bad" or "sensor"
batteries is all about this stuff. Its function is all real, but probabalistic.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Guys guys man , you should know so much more abut all this but really you show that you don't .

If it'a ANY pulse at ANY frequency then ... yea you  right .

But the point is the Battery draws energy from the environment , as I explained above ...

Bedini shows in Energy from the Vacuum that :


- full Battery = wheel spins slower  & requires MORE energy from source
-- empty Battery = Wheel is spinning fast BUT 1/3 of energy required from source

+ there is a deflecting Lenz potential though it's not lenzless or 0 lenz .

BUT AS WE SHOULD ALL KNOW being Hero's and such .... Lenzless devices act EXACTLY the same .

-- faster RPM over rated max RPM and the devices draw LESS from Source than when running slower at recomended RPM

AND
-- they also require far less energy from source when Load is connected VS NOT connected .

Don't take my word for it Jean Louis Naudin explains this for Laymen like Myself yet you guys want to argue these thing s? honestly ?

The difference in Pulse tech is that Bedini gets the negative energy directly in the Battery VS Pulse chargers that also create radiant but as a by product that is not absorbed in the system IF NOT accounted for .

The simplest free energy device is described by Bearden 2 capacitors firing at each other with a copper wire with ( I think ) 10 % Iron mix .

This attract energy from environment and keeps caps firing at each other

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Farmhand,

I give you a lot of credit.  I would say that when you look at beginning experimenters on the free energy forums that are new to electronics, you have advanced further in your knowledge than perhaps 98% of the rest of the pack.  Some of them never advance beyond a certain point.

I haven't looked at JL Naudin's work in a few years now, but I did a handful of times before that.  From what I saw at that time,  I honestly was not very impressed.  Lots of equipment and semi-professional presentation skills does not make the experimenter.  It's his knowledge and analytical skills that count.

For the whole AC vs. DC debate, it's not as simple as converting AC into DC.  There is no reason you can't work with AC although the measurements become more challenging.  Also, converting AC into DC is a challenge in itself.  If you use a simple diode or FWBR and capacitor, then the current waveform becomes a pulse waveform.  Before the pulse starts conducting, there are parts of the AC waveform that could be contributing to the power output but aren't.  There are a lot of variables and if you have a design goal, then you can figure out the best way to approach it.  I don't know if there is a magic bullet for this because I am not a hard-core electronics design guy.  Just saying "use DC" is not necessarily correct.

Casstete,

You freely admit you are a layperson, yet you are still drawing conclusions that clearly require sufficient knowledge and experience that you don't have to draw those very same conclusions.  What gives?  I wish I could understand why in the realm of free energy and electronics people believe they know what they are talking about when they clearly don't.

With respect to your newbie status, I can tell you that you have bought into the narrative associated with free energy and have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.  You have to use your critical thinking skills and start questioning what you are reading and doing your own research to check for yourself.  It's almost shocking reading your last few postings.  It's like you were just a "normal person" and you started reading this stuff and just gobbled it up and took it all to be literally true.  That's a really dangerous thing.  The most resent example is the QEG.  I read some postings by a woman on Facebook.  She left her family, I believe including young children, to go to Morocco to help out by cooking and doing whatever else she can, but she is not technical.  She left her FAMILY to run off to Morocco.  As I state in another posting, in x number of weeks she will be coming back home empty-handed having accomplished nothing.  It's sad actually.

You know the famous radio broadcast of The War of the Worlds in 1938?  People were in a panic and started to flee.  That's the kind of thing that's happening to you right now, same for the mother who left her kids to go to Morocco, and same for many people on the QEG bandwagon.

If it sounds too good to be true, then use Google and do at least an hour or more of research.  Don't be afraid to do a "negative" search also, like "<subject> fraud" or "<subject> hoax."

MileHigh

Listen and pay attention , I don't claim the Gegene output is what they claim , I appreciate that I lack the understanding to determine if the Gegenes output is what is claimed in usable energy .
But you guys could have built it in the length of this threat YET you rather deny the possibility JUST cause .... why again ?

I base my understanding on Broken Symmetry Nobel Prize , Montagniers DNA teleportation also Nobel Prize .

Then ANYONE .. and I mean I can get you little girl to SEE that Lenzless devices exists , work , and produce overunity .

gap.power.c om is one of them so simple and yet it will be argued . The Toy based on a 1880 Patent will work .

The Stoern .. works . The MEG shown by Jean Louis Naudin  to work .

Have you built lets say 10% of what he did ? The MEG , Bedini , countless HHO devices , Magnetic Lenzless devices which he explains .

BUT YOU GUYS haven't got a clue .



Pointless for me to discuss anything with you guys if you dont understand Lenzless devices and that

 Electric Motors don't operate on electricity. They run on magnetism. The magnetism they run on is produced by electricity.

So try school me on something I say not tell me about QEG Which FULL DETAILS ahev been posted now .

So you know when someone post EVERYTHING like the Iranian Keshe also recently did .

Then they set themselves us to be the fools ?

NOO , you are the fools arguing about technology that is OPEN SOURCE NOW and that you could build .

YOU GUYS that you claim to be so good in electronics & understand it YET you can't copy a device ?

Like MEG , QEG , Stoern , ADAMS or The TOY bu overunitybuilder .

Did you build the GARY, Wesley : Magnet Motor  ? Simplest Free Energy Magnet Motor in the world from 1890 ?

If not then you got NOTHING over me or the next Layman that comes along .

By the way , I am very well informed about Biotransmutation , Cold fusion as well as Natures Antigravity like Schauberger & Grebennikov .

So Layman in leectrical engineering ONLY because what you call electricity is a wast product and ALL machines in the world are designed for WAST .

Tom Bearden can eplain that to you in Precursor engineering if you wanna understand what YOU talking about

 I argued this with a PHD in Physics who had to defend his Thesis against Fleischman ... Cold fusion .

He laughed me off saying that was all a fraud ... just like you think we all fucking idiots just cause we don't know electrical Bullshit heat up everything engineering ?

AHA AHA HAHAHA

Cold fusion is replicated in countless laboratories today AND YOU would have been one of them claiming

IT'S ALL BS , cause YOU lack critical thinking and get Pimped by corrupt Peer review as did the Cold fusion deniers prior to your repetitive nonsense .

I strongly suspect you are a agent because in all this BLABLA above you din't say anything scientific , factual you just used LOW LEVEL techniques usually use by Agent Provocateur .

Tell tell signs there , keep it scientific or don't bother  . I don't mean to be rude but this is a reality check 4 U .

Don't school me on the ways of the universe , biology or who is a fraud and who isn't .

We have the understanding of Biotransmutation since the ancient Greeks & as one I can read and have , as well a PI Universal geometry and the energy source . Read Platos Republic .

Sorry to be harsh but the lot of you are laughable cause you don't even know the mechanics of Biology .

You think free energy doesn't exists when the food you eat accounts for 5 % if not less and thats a scientific fact .

Never mind you must be generating energy from the where the sun don't shine 


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O ya and Tom Bearden just sent me a Email , they sold the MEG to a investor for 200 000 000 $ .

Also built & tested by Jean Louis Naudin successfully .. never mind they all liars n u know better .

They are not able to access the money as it's being held by a UN individual in his account .

He's over 80 nw and just wanted to leave something behind for his kids .

Naturally you believe he is also a liar never mind that many of his different theories have been corroborated over time by esteemed scientists .

Fuck all that cause you 3-4 Heros Members here say it's all BS ( never showing why specifically , just basing it on OTHER scientists peer reviewed Theories )

F*/*** jokers calling themselves critical thinkers . You brainwashed monkeys 

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