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Author Topic: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...  (Read 120040 times)

Offline elementSix

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Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
« Reply #45 on: December 23, 2012, 02:42:12 AM »
Now that Magnacoaster has finally shipped out a bunch of devices.  The guy from the article I read about it, said that it uses Quantum Tunneling.  Just like in NMR, they excite the nucli with the electrons with High Frequency RF pulses and when the Nucli move with the electrons from the low energy state into the High energy state, the electrons disappear into another dimension and when they pop back they are carrying extra electrons and when they move back to the low energy state they emit those extra electrons.  How cool is that.

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« Reply #46 on: December 23, 2012, 08:49:00 AM »
The secrets that the Aus. guy talks about, says that the TPU uses the earth's Magnetic field for the stable magnetic field and they just use the RF pulses to create the excess energy. 
It is possible to use Earth's magnetic field to polarize nuclei. Also, it is possible to use RF pulses to cause their forced precession.
This method is abbreviated as EF-NMR.
However, I do not know how nuclear precession can release excess energy.

I believe that they use the copper or aluminum wire are the source for the synthetic energy produced.  Have you done anything recently with Paramagnetic Resonace??  Any help will be appreciated. 
I have not done anything with Electron Paramagnetic Resonance.  The frequencies needed for it are in microwave range - usually 10-100GHz.  Pulsed EPR requires pulses in nanosecond range.  Also, very few substances exhibit any ESR effect because very few substances have unpaired electrons.
...but, I have done some NMR experiments since it requires frequencies only in the low MHz range.

I know that NMR can't produce the voltage we need because it uses the RF pulses with the magnetic field coils and doesn't hit the sample directly.  Which is what I think needs to be done..
The nuclear precession in NMR does not cause any flow of electric current (movement of charges) even if the RF pulses penetrate the sample.
If the sample is conductive then RF pulses might induce some HF AC current of conduction electrons in it due to the antenna effect or skin/Eddy effect, but not due to nuclear precession.

So what we believe so far is that NMR or EFMNR is not the exact source
Source of what?

but a for of EFNMR which is Electron Paramagnetic Resonance is more likely what we need to use which is very similar. 
EF-NMR is not EF-EPR despite their principles being similar (first spin polarization and then its disturbance).  The microwave frequencies (~10GHz) make it very hard to work with EPR on a kitchen table.

Do you think that TK's device uses CW (continuous wave) function in his device or wide band RF pulses or CW?
If TK's devices are not fake and work according to principles outlined by McFreey, then my bet would be on wideband nanosecond pulses or FM sinewave around the anticipated frequency, possibly combined with LF AM modulation of the polarizing magnetic field (as in the Yoke device, which IMHO was the only reasonably well documented functioning device).


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« Reply #47 on: December 23, 2012, 09:12:57 AM »
the electrons disappear into another dimension and when they pop back they are carrying extra electrons and when they move back to the low energy state they emit those extra electrons.  How cool is that.
Far out.

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« Reply #48 on: December 23, 2012, 08:04:58 PM »
It is possible to use Earth's magnetic field to polarize nuclei. Also, it is possible to use RF pulses to cause their forced precession.
This method is abbreviated as EF-NMR.
However, I do not know how nuclear precession can release excess energy.


Ok,  What happens when you use NMR.  Now if you have a very good homogenous field and very good, very short pulses.  You get all the Nucli in the sample to spin at all the same time and spin vector at all the same time.  When they do this they produce a small magnetic field around the Nucli.  Now if they are all in sync together and spin that magnetic field around whatever axis, ie.. x,z or y.  Wouldn't that one mass of the spinning field create the energy in the copper wire around it or even if the sample is copper itself?  That spinning magnetic field, would it be strong enough to create those electrons in the conducting copper?


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Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
« Reply #49 on: December 23, 2012, 09:36:02 PM »
Now that Magnacoaster has finally shipped out a bunch of devices.  The guy from the article I read about it, said that it uses Quantum Tunneling.  Just like in NMR, they excite the nucli with the electrons with High Frequency RF pulses and when the Nucli move with the electrons from the low energy state into the High energy state, the electrons disappear into another dimension and when they pop back they are carrying extra electrons and when they move back to the low energy state they emit those extra electrons.  How cool is that.

I like your dedication, it certainly stands out.
However, be aware that what different inventors say about their devices has to be heavily filtered. Kapanadze never said anything sensible about his devices. The best he did was when he released the video of the "gravitation motor". Of course, this device has nothing to do with gravitation, except that it is heavy. But this motor exposed the simplicity of the device and it's possible working principle. The trick of disguising the primary coil of the rotary transformer into a toroid, in that device, was clever and spooked many.
Steven Mark had a mixture of truth and fiction. It is understandable that he was not completely honest when he said that his device was converting "natural magnetic field of the Earth" to energy. But he was honest partially because his device was using magnetic field in some way. He also was mentioning electrons moving near the speed of light, which points to beta-particles.
One thing is certain: NMR or EPR will not give additional energy on their own. You will be able to see it for yourself how weak the spin signal is on the Terranova NMR.

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« Reply #50 on: December 23, 2012, 11:30:12 PM »
OK,  What happens when you use NMR.  Now if you have a very good homogeneous field and very good, very short pulses.  You get all the Nuclei in the sample to spin at all the same time and spin vector at all the same time. 
All of the unpaired nuclei are already spinning and there is no way to stop them, as far as I know.

Only a magnetic field is necessary to align their spin axes in one direction - this is called polarizing the nuclei.
This polarization will happen even in inhomogeneous magnetic field.
The RF pulses are not necessary to align the spin axes. RF pulses are necessary only to cause their precession.

A homogeneous magnetic field is necessary only to keep this precession at the same frequency and in phase.  See here.

It is possible to convert the motion of nuclear precession into RF energy but I do not know of any method to convert the motion of nuclear spin into usable energy.

P.S.
When a polarized nuclei undergo beta decay, the directions of beta particles ejected from these nuclei, have a preferred orientation. Non-polarized nuclei that undergo beta decay emit beta particles at the same rate but in all directions with equal probability since their spin axes are randomly oriented (unpolarized).

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« Reply #51 on: December 24, 2012, 01:00:13 AM »
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It is possible to convert the motion of nuclear precession into RF energy but I do not know of any method to convert the motion of nuclear spin into usable energy.
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One known method of converting the motion of nuclear spin into usable energy is... beta-decay, nuclear reaction in general.

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« Reply #52 on: December 24, 2012, 09:09:42 AM »
One known method of converting the motion of nuclear spin into usable energy is... beta-decay, nuclear reaction in general.
That's an interesting way of looking at it. 
I always perceived beta-decay in the conventional manner: the conversion of nucleons into protons/neutrons with the emission of anti/neutrinos and fast electrons/positrons, the weak force and all...

...but nuclear spin converting into those particles, hmm... an interesting way of looking at it. 

Anyway, the most important issue for McFreey's bulk energy conversion is the stimulation/enhancement of the beta decay rate. 
βNMR only illustrates spatial anisotropy of beta decay product emissions, as a result of nuclear spin polarization. I still do not understand how nuclear precession can enhance the beta-decay rate. I am not even sure that McFreey claims such enhancement.

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« Reply #53 on: December 24, 2012, 12:07:58 PM »
Imho, tpu and isotopic generator are the same in operation.

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« Reply #54 on: December 24, 2012, 12:08:43 PM »
Imho, tpu and isotopic generator are the same in operation.

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« Reply #55 on: December 24, 2012, 12:09:09 PM »
Imho, tpu and isotopic generator are the same in operation.

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« Reply #56 on: December 24, 2012, 01:49:50 PM »
Imho, tpu and isotopic generator are the same in operation.
Justify it (one time preferably)


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« Reply #57 on: December 24, 2012, 04:31:47 PM »
That's an interesting way of looking at it. 
I always perceived beta-decay in the conventional manner: the conversion of nucleons into protons/neutrons with the emission of anti/neutrinos and fast electrons/positrons, the weak force and all...

...but nuclear spin converting into those particles, hmm... an interesting way of looking at it. 

Anyway, the most important issue for McFreey's bulk energy conversion is the stimulation/enhancement of the beta decay rate. 
βNMR only illustrates spatial anisotropy of beta decay product emissions, as a result of nuclear spin polarization. I still do not understand how nuclear precession can enhance the beta-decay rate. I am not even sure that McFreey claims such enhancement.

Beta-decay results not only in emission of particles. It is often accompanied by changes in nuclear spin.
Thus the energy of the emitted particles may partially come from the spin change.
For instance:
69Cu (spin 3/2) ->  69Zn (spin 1/2) + beta-decay + E
Will this reaction result in mechanical rotation of the disk?
I think, McFreey avoids details in some areas as they are too complex and mostly vague.

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« Reply #58 on: December 24, 2012, 04:44:07 PM »
what is the connection between NMR and ferrite rod antenna ?


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« Reply #59 on: December 24, 2012, 06:31:01 PM »
showing my ignorance....

<snip>what is the energy source and what is the energy balance, then?</snip>

my take is when you find your source that allows constant spin on the elements in an atom, you'll find the source.

the limited analogy that i have is if a spinning top were to have a spin like the proton, then approach the spinning top's surface glently and give the spinning top's spinning surface a slight tap, it will precess. tap it slightly at the right time intervals like pushing a swing set will cause the spinning top to precess longer.

<snip>Does anyone understand the purpose of this nuclear precession ?<snip>

i think it depends on if the protons/neutrons influence the electron orbit. if it does i'm 'one track minding it' to flux cutting.

here is a snip from one of bearden's shows where he talks about floyd sweet's vta device. 'bearden's take on the floyd sweet device'. the parts that i understand are what i think would be the safest approach to a solution.

i'm interested in thoughts on this.

thanks.

nap

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