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Offline pauldude000

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How does it feel to be duped?
« on: November 26, 2012, 12:43:54 PM »
Before anyone jumps off the deep end, hear me out.  :o


I research all sorts of BS, usually just for entertainment. I am a serious WWII buff, and came across something which I found quite interesting. A supposed German built device consisting of three counter rotating plates with electromagnets, the purpose of them is to create high velocity rotating opposing magnetic fields......


Three or more coils, each with wires wrapped all around them.... The unit spins up..... Rotating magnetic field in two directions......


SOUND FAMILIAR?


It is a set-up. Supposedly, the WWII German device and others of similar purpose killed numerous researchers. Why release such for the public to work on you ask? (Do you even HAVE to ask?)


This is not a generator for energy output. That may be a side effect, but not the real purpose.


It is an electro-magnetic drive unit. That explains a ton of questions, at least to me.


This thing is dangerous if all of the info I read about the German devices are true. Probably not true, sketchy and inherently dubious info.


However, it doesn't matter what I believe, it matters what others believe. It also doesn't matter whether perpetrated by a gov, special interest group, society, or even a lame inventor waiting with a pat pending on an incomplete device.


I smell a rat.

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How does it feel to be duped?
« on: November 26, 2012, 12:43:54 PM »

Offline Doug1

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Re: How does it feel to be duped?
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2012, 04:46:43 PM »
How does one get "three" counter rotating plates? What was the third direction?
  Sounds like they were playing with a dyno trying to increase output by higher rpm.
  So of all these things you have researched how many of them take some form of motive force out of the environment to produce effects which can be transformed into usefull electricity to run lights or motors? That is the only way to get it for free. It has to be there anyway it has to continue to be there inspite of anyone. It would be easier if it was something cyclic in nature and worked day and night without difference.
   Is there any such thing to fit the bill? Can it be utillized in a affordable method?
  Im not saying re-invent the wheel.The wheel works perfectly fine the way it is. It's what turns the wheel that is lacking. I doubt any useful information is public on topics that fit the bill. So for that end you must invent. A departure from the things which today turn the wheel and all the little complexities which aid the devices of today becuase they only work well for what they were intended.Which is not what anyone who comes here is looking for. Trolls being the exception or persons who profit from the problem remaining the way it is.
 

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Re: How does it feel to be duped?
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2012, 04:51:17 AM »
Three counter rotating plates in the sense of being counter to the adjacent plate. With three plates, the middle plate is rotating counter in relation to the other two.


Sorry, I was not clearly spoken on that.


They were not trying for energy. They were trying for motive power, IE an "engine", and not a "generator".



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Re: How does it feel to be duped?
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2012, 03:31:43 PM »
Three counter rotating plates in the sense of being counter to the adjacent plate. With three plates, the middle plate is rotating counter in relation to the other two.


Sorry, I was not clearly spoken on that.


They were not trying for energy. They were trying for motive power, IE an "engine", and not a "generator".

Hello there,
actualy as far as i know the middle plate (disc) was not rotating but static and electricaly (patern)charged, the other discs have been rotated very fast and also the diameter ratio also played a role in this one, anyway the idea was that due to charge separation in(on) the discs and the rotation a magnetic field would emerge( 2 of them).hmm something like frolov's hat but based on magnetic fields.... etc and so the story goes.
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Re: How does it feel to be duped?
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2012, 08:55:53 PM »
So sort of like combining a Wimshurst generator and a dynomo or building a Wimhust overtop of a bipolar dynomo. You would still have figure out how to take the two outputs and convert it to something a motor could use to run it. It would take a creative transformer. More akin to a Y stator with varring winds and wire size for each leg of the Y with one of them as a final output to a drive motor. Then run some small pick ups over each leg of the Y as secondary  tie it to a Y configured light board to run some LED's and poof you got a flux capacitor. It may or may not work but it would be funny and thats whats really important. Everything works better with flashing lights.

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Re: How does it feel to be duped?
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Re: How does it feel to be duped?
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2013, 06:51:21 AM »
So sort of like combining a Wimshurst generator and a dynomo or building a Wimhust overtop of a bipolar dynomo. You would still have figure out how to take the two outputs and convert it to something a motor could use to run it. It would take a creative transformer. More akin to a Y stator with varring winds and wire size for each leg of the Y with one of them as a final output to a drive motor. Then run some small pick ups over each leg of the Y as secondary  tie it to a Y configured light board to run some LED's and poof you got a flux capacitor. It may or may not work but it would be funny and thats whats really important. Everything works better with flashing lights.


Actually, it is not for the energy output per-say, but for the fields themselves and assorted field effects which might naturally follow. I think the goal was a localized small scale warpage of space-time. Use two or three fields to manipulate a central static field into something it couldn't accomplish by itself in nature.


Such a warpage would be inherently dangerous, to be somewhat understating the issue. I wonder if the notion was farmed out, so to speak, for that very reason.

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Re: How does it feel to be duped?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2013, 08:34:21 PM »
Is this meant to be the Nazi Bell, or another one?


Can one of you point to sources of information on this please?


So far this thread is just a tease.

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Re: How does it feel to be duped?
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2013, 10:48:00 PM »
This sounds similar, is this it? http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/htmldosya1/vriltechnology.htm


In the summer of the yearly 1922 at the first untertassenfoermigen flight ship, its drive on the implosion technology was built was based (the the other world flight machine). It consisted of a disk of eight meters diameters, over which a parallel-stored disk of six and a half meters of diameters was, and among them a further disk of seven meters diameters. These three disks were broken through in the center by a 1.80m measuring hole, in which the 2.40m high power supply unit was installed.[/size]
Down the centerbody ran out in a conical point, from which a pendulum handing into the basement provided for the stabilization of the equipment. In the activated condition the lower and the upper disk turned in direction moving in opposite directions, in order to develop first an electromagnetic rotation field. This first flight disk furnished which achievements, is unknown.[/size]
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It had a disk eight metres across with a second disk with a diameter of six and a half metres above and a third disk of seven metres diameter below. These three disks had a whole at the centre of one metre eighty across in which the drive which was two meters forty high was mounted. At the bottom the central body was cone-shaped, and there a pendulum reaching the cellar was hung that served for stabilisation. In the activated state the top and bottom disk revolved in opposing directions to build up an electromaguetic rotating field.[/size]

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Re: How does it feel to be duped?
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2013, 08:58:39 AM »
Is this meant to be the Nazi Bell, or another one?


Can one of you point to sources of information on this please?


So far this thread is just a tease.


If I remember correctly, and someone correct me if I remember incorrectly, the nazi bell was supposed to be filled with red mercury with a dual layers spun up to high rpm's, each layer in opposing rotation to the other. Spinning mercury can generate mag fields so it may be a version, but it is not THE version of which I speak. Do research on the vril and thule societies. The supposedly proposed vril design is what I was talking about.


Whether the information is real or not, or whether you or I believe it possible, none of these matter. What is important is to remember that big companies and governments often spend large amounts of money on mere possibilities. The CIA, as a for instance, spent how much money on ESP? That should be a wake up call.


The disc Loner is talking about I am unfamiliar with, and must research myself. Thank you Loner.

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Re: How does it feel to be duped?
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2013, 10:49:11 AM »

If I remember correctly, and someone correct me if I remember incorrectly, the nazi bell was supposed to be filled with red mercury with a dual layers spun up to high rpm's, each layer in opposing rotation to the other. Spinning mercury can generate mag fields so it may be a version, but it is not THE version of which I speak. Do research on the vril and thule societies. The supposedly proposed vril design is what I was talking about.


Whether the information is real or not, or whether you or I believe it possible, none of these matter. What is important is to remember that big companies and governments often spend large amounts of money on mere possibilities. The CIA, as a for instance, spent how much money on ESP? That should be a wake up call.


The disc Loner is talking about I am unfamiliar with, and must research myself. Thank you Loner.

Pauldude000,

The "Nazi Bell" was invented by Viktor Schauberger (1885-1958) while he was forced to work for the Nazi during WWII.
The device was based on wave patterns that modulated ordinary air to generate lift. As far as I know, there was
no mercury in the device. A good read is the book living water by Olof Alexandersson:
http://www.amazon.com/Living-Water-Schauberger-Secrets-Natural/dp/0717133907
Here is some pictures of the Repulsine device.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/esaruoho/4933936497/in/photostream/
Some more pictures:
http://www.laesieworks.com/ifo/lib/Viktor_Schauberger.html

Regards,
Groundloop.

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Re: How does it feel to be duped?
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2013, 11:03:50 AM »
Ok, it seems that there are at least 3 different Nazi era AG-UFO technologies.


Schauberger, vortex dynamics of water/air/whatever.


Nazi Bell, a device that used mercury and counter rotation to generate a field that can be deadly and was only to an experimental stage IIRC, I doubt it was red mercury but I could be wrong.


Next is the type I posted above, these were fully fledged saucers that were apparently built, they involved 3 discs and the top and bottom likely counter-rotated.


I think this is what tsl mentioned, but if so it seems he had more specific info than I can find.


Schauberger's devices may resemble a bell, but it is not what is referred to as the Nazi Bell.
So TSL, can you fill me in on your info moreso?


BTW the Russian device I think is the replication attempt of Searl.


 

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