"But there's a big problem with Loose Change and with most other conspiracy theories. The more you think about them, the more you realize how much they depend on circumstantial evidence, facts without analysis or documentation, quotes taken out of context and the scattered testimony of traumatized eyewitnesses."

From the article below

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304-3,00.html

But I have a conspiracy for you, a guy told me he saw Elvis and Lee Harvey doin Daquri's at Harrah's in Vegas last summer, think they were plotting a comeback?.

Cheers

hey Mac.  Of course a plane hit the WTC.  Two of them as a matter of fact.  Where did you see anyone claiming they didn't??

You didn't even examine the evidence... and that makes you look like a partisan moron.

Perhaps you should read (or re-read) the first few pages of this thread before labeling anyone a "partisan moron". Although after reading some of your posts about Bush, I can see why the phrase might be an integral part of your philosophy and a reasonable example of your intellect.

From the 1st reply:
"Wow, that is the best documentation I have ever seen about the 9/11 untruth...

This evidence is the best I have seen so far !
the Twin towers were destroyed probably by bomb explosions and the Pentagon was probably hit by a cruise missile, not a plane !"

From the 6th reply:
"Wow, this is really getting a SUPER FRAUD !

The evidence is overwhelming, that the 3 WTC buildings were brought down by controlled demolition !

Especially the fine dust would only occur from controlled demolition explosions !

Also you can see the single explosions, one after the other, floor after the next floor, clearly on a few wittness tapes and the steel is flying horizontally away as only controlled demolition explosions can have caused it !"

Perhaps you didn't notice the title of this thread you have so eloquently posted in?

Sadly, you've now substantiated my previous comments with ridiculous name calling.

Well let look at the profiteers, The oil companies and the government,and military contractors and the government. Sadom was going to drill 800 new wells and make Iraq the highest production country in OPEC. That would have actually bought down the price of oil. Now look what happened. If your tired of being gouged then it's time for a change, election time is coming. We can change one evil for another for the moment. The clear answer though is we need a new party. There is a new party but mostly worthless from the point of view of getting back the United States as it should be. They don't understand seperation of church and state. We didn't get the truth about 911. You younger guys are shocked? I have been lied to by the government all my life. Let me cap a few memerable ones for you. They made an hour long movie and made us watch it while I was in high school. Long story short the punchline was you'd grow women's breasts if you smoke pot. The potheads in my class that are still at it are thin as a skeleton and their ribs show. Then they told us the people in nam were a threat to the american way of life, the reality again was a little different. Every couple of months jungle rot made you buy new combat boots. Peroxide makes them impossible to shine. So you give the old ones to namees, on a day you have the whole day to teach them to tie them. You could tell by quick observation they could build a navy and come right over and threaten us. The most deplorable lie I can bear to mind over the years is "Only queers get aids". The day Dr. Greer said, They over did the story so bad they thought they would get caught right away. (800+ degree temp atmosphere on Venus), obvious because parachutes to land a probe could not survive, well I leave it up to you from this point, I however will never expect the truth from the gov. To tell me that they blew the buildings in NY,NY just doesn't shock and awe me at all.

If you have seen the Moon picture I posted then you know they are hiding things. Where are the missing Moon pictures and what's the actual count (at least 697 boxes from Apollo 11 alone). They crashed into the Moon just the other day, What did they destroy? Think use your own brain. Look at the antiquated shit they are trying to palm off on us as a serious attempt to go back to the moon. You could come up with and impliment a better plan. God I hear them talking about Saturn rockets again (what the hells amatter with them, how stupid do they think we are?).

First the official release was there is no chemtrail type activity, it doesn't exist. I'm not going to do the whole history here, the present is, they are trying to boost immunity response by dumping carcinogens and biologicals and poisons on us. What college idiot with a degree in pot and beer with a minor of sorority girls is trying to convince the public of this? Getting sick weakens the body usually permanently, metals attack the nerves permanent. Disease weakens organs. You don't just breath and eat this stuff you also take it in transdermally. The fallout from these chemtrails are entering our water to give us a third dose and will be leaching into the water for years. Before you buy into any more lies you have to learn to recognise what is a lie. Remember I warned you about chemtrails. Who will profit, the drug companies and the government. Notice what name keeps coming up.

Can anyone give me a raw estimate of how many man hours it took to set these charges. Lot of prep time before the fact I'll bet.

I like to point out to you the scared government crapping their pants right after 911, what caused the fear? The US citizens coming together united under a comon cause. They want us divided and fighting amoungst ourselves. Divided we are conquered, they don't want us united for any reason.

Look at this from the prospective of the building was less than 50 years old and was well maintained were did the rust for that thermite reaction come from? The industial paint on i-beams is awesome and rust in quantities to cause a fire to do that much damage could not have existed. We are discussing a pride of the city building here that had a good repair record. The roof was not allowed to leak for a long period of time. The fires still had hot spots a week after the planes hit. Go to the scap yard and grab chunk of i-beam thats been outside for a little while, pour a little aluminium powder on it, and light it with a small strip of magnesium. Don't pick one that's been in a mud puddle for ten years because that's not were the beams from wtc came from. When I worked for Erie Mill and Press we used used beams now and then because we couldn't wait for a special order. (because of royalties)
We never had a problem with rust in quanities, usually the beams looked good enough to visually pass for new.

Your damn right they're up to more than we're told.  And that's the point.
The official stories do not check out and it's not just a few details here and there - it's the whole damn thing.

A better plot to look at is 7/7 in London.  The mastermind was an MI5 agent.  And why did the last bomber call his peers after the bombs went off?  if it were a suicide job... what's the point?

You want evidence of Government False Flag Operations?  Look up operation Ajax and northwooods.
That's US government declassified info detailing some of the shit we have done (ajax) and proposed (northwoods)

If you don't think they would do it and lie - you're crazy.  And if you don't think "king of the world" is worth a lie like that... then you're crazy too.

and yes these men are contolling us with energy - so it's relevant to the forum.  These men may also have control over technology that is "black-oped" and out of bounds for national security - convenient for the oily boys, eh?

Media is the medium in which the elite talk to the masses. taken from www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com
I have talked with this guy. I'm starting to see what is going on.

Now because I was at Bilderberg in Ottawa, saw David Rockefeller, Queen Beatrix(owner of shell oil), Hillary Clinton and 130 other elite.
Now why are these elite meeting every year in secret.
I protested, because I guess I'm one of the few who don't like Iraqi children being hurt. Babies grown deformed from depleted uranium.

I saw a movie called "Stealth" in Futureshop(video store). This is total New World Order, get the terrorists(freedom fighters) kind of stuff.
Neat movie and special effects but this is propaganda. Stealth plane to kill terrorists.

Don't you love the thimeserol in the vaccines(mercury). Don't you love the fluoride(Hitler) in the water dumming you down.
Don't you love the fact that you have macromedia video that let's them enable microphones and you video cam on you.
Just right click and go settings, enable microphone and video. Google wants to use this. Programmers can look at this and say yes that's possible.  Is it a registry setting. Oh that's easy. I'm a programmer myself.
Don't you just love NSA spying on your telephones and email.

George Bush is talking like a mind controlled idiot. Just listen to his speeches.
It's shocks me every day people believe his lies.
Of course Bush is just a puppet. You people should watch the machurian candidate by Denzel Washington. It will open your eyes.
It is proven that he has had microphones in his ear while giving speeches.

You people have a duty to expose the corruption of 911.

I have nieces and nephews and I don't want them to grow up under a satanic new world order scheme.

When I went to protest, boy I felt good about myself, what a rush.

I will do my best on september 11. I'll do whatever I can to remember the 3000 people that died.

I actively write to news journalists and ask them, please expose 911. Please do this, it does wake people up.

Media is the medium in which the elite talk to the masses. taken from www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com
I have talked with this guy. I'm starting to see what is going on.

Now because I was at Bilderberg in Ottawa, saw David Rockefeller, Queen Beatrix(owner of shell oil), Hillary Clinton and 130 other elite.
Now why are these elite meeting every year in secret.
I protested, because I guess I'm one of the few who don't like Iraqi children being hurt. Babies grown deformed from depleted uranium.

I saw a movie called "Stealth" in Futureshop(video store). This is total New World Order, get the terrorists(freedom fighters) kind of stuff.
Neat movie and special effects but this is propaganda. Stealth plane to kill terrorists.

Don't you love the thimeserol in the vaccines(mercury). Don't you love the fluoride(Hitler) in the water dumming you down.
Don't you love the fact that you have macromedia video that let's them enable microphones and you video cam on you.
Just right click and go settings, enable microphone and video. Google wants to use this. Programmers can look at this and say yes that's possible.  Is it a registry setting. Oh that's easy. I'm a programmer myself.
Don't you just love NSA spying on your telephones and email.

George Bush is talking like a mind controlled idiot. Just listen to his speeches.
It's shocks me every day people believe his lies.
Of course Bush is just a puppet. You people should watch the machurian candidate by Denzel Washington. It will open your eyes.
It is proven that he has had microphones in his ear while giving speeches.

You people have a duty to expose the corruption of 911.

I have nieces and nephews and I don't want them to grow up under a satanic new world order scheme.

When I went to protest, boy I felt good about myself, what a rush.

I will do my best on september 11. I'll do whatever I can to remember the 3000 people that died.

I actively write to news journalists and ask them, please expose 911. Please do this, it does wake people up.

Not to move too far away of topic but since the media involvent is being brought up, here are few items I think we all should be aware off.

Fake TV News: Widespread and Undisclosed
Paid for by the government and corporations with no public disclosure.
http://www.prwatch.org/fakenews/execsummary
http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/farsetta.html
 The above programs were or our local PBS stations, you can get tme by contacting the station(s).

This is getting more interesting:
As one employee said "There's no sense of integrity as far as having a line that can't be crossed."http://www.outfoxed.org/OutfoxedSummary.php


I assume we all have seen this live when it happened back in 2003. Do you all remember the media fanfare and the kudos for a job well done, high 5?s for the power?s that be here, not to mention the ?local participation there??

Army Stage-Managed Fall of Hussein Statue
By David Zucchino
Times Staff Writer
July 3, 2004

The Army's internal study of the war in Iraq criticizes some efforts by its own psychological operations units, but one spur-of-the-moment effort last year produced the most memorable image of the invasion.

As the Iraqi regime was collapsing on April 9, 2003, Marines converged on Firdos Square in central Baghdad, site of an enormous statue of Saddam Hussein. It was a Marine colonel ? not joyous Iraqi civilians, as was widely assumed from the TV images ? who decided to topple the statue, the Army report said. And it was a quick-thinking Army psychological operations team that made it appear to be a spontaneous Iraqi undertaking.

After the colonel ? who was not named in the report ? selected the statue as a "target of opportunity," the psychological team used loudspeakers to encourage Iraqi civilians to assist, according to an account by a unit member.

But Marines had draped an American flag over the statue's face.

"God bless them, but we were thinking ... that this was just bad news," the member of the psychological unit said. "We didn't want to look like an occupation force, and some of the Iraqis were saying, 'No, we want an Iraqi flag!' "

Someone produced an Iraqi flag, and a sergeant in the psychological operations unit quickly replaced the American flag.

Ultimately, a Marine recovery vehicle toppled the statue with a chain, but the effort appeared to be Iraqi-inspired because the psychological team had managed to pack the vehicle with cheering Iraqi children. Full story here (may have to subscribe to get to the archives-old articles)
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/la-na-statue3jul03,1,1220327,print.story?coll=la-home-headlines

and let?s not even touch the Jessica Lynch fiasco?.or some of the later admitted fake terror news releases.

One may very well argue that a na?ve, uneducated, emotionally manipulated public, is so much easier to control
and fleece.

Note: some of the links are old and maybe archived or need subscription to the newspapers to access them.

Well I know this is not ats but I have a problem with the post developements. We didn't strike the countries were the terrorist came from, We are expected to set aside freedoms, I really don't like the looks of this proposed national ID card, Christian religeous freedoms, privacy, freedom of press, freedom of speach, even freedom of science. Try to go down and buy some chemicals for a project. They are actually subverting scientific exploration, which means they are limiting education. They haven't closed our borders and noone has even mentioned our even larger unwatched coastline. Why hasn't there been at least a halfway decent response to the attack, and surely there was a lot more to it than 19 Arabs, someone had to help them from inside and we haven't even IDed all of the enemy yet. Pennsylvania Minutemen are ready. We were the second state to sign the Declaration and we will probably be the first to stand up and tell them were to stick their National ID Card. Saudi Arabia is still in control of our port cities, isn't that scary?