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Offline Neo-X

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Re: how fast?
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2012, 08:16:42 AM »
Do u have proof on your claim? Where can i read that changing reference frame have the effect on aging? Sorry to say but im sure your wrong..
« Last Edit: October 11, 2012, 09:31:48 AM by Neo-X »

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Re: how fast?
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2012, 09:22:03 AM »
Einstein's theories are rubbish.


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Re: how fast?
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2012, 10:44:09 PM »

Interesting debate going on.

Obviously you all are much more intelligent than i am because I was lost from the beginning(I knew I would be)


What are you guy's backgrounds/degrees?




I have a question though. How does one prove that "A real ufo doesnt have a spinning disc but instead a super magnetic fluid"?
To my knowledge, no one has proof of this information, and if so, then why the hell aren't we trying to publicly produce units like this for commercial sale. This sort of thing would be changing the lives of all of us and for the better. Not only produce them but acknowledge they are real?


As for why they can turn on a dime, accelerate to a speed of unknown without having the gforce killing the being inside? Who knows, maybe the "ufo" has no beings inside? Maybe they are just probes, drones like what the us sends to monitor air space in areas we shouldn't be?


But I had been thinking about how would you get something, of that size and mass to spin at a speed of say, 100,000-300,000+ RPM.


My theory is if you can not only levitate a train using an electromagnetic rail, but use the maglev as a propulsion system, why not implement this in the design. You could have the outer shell connected to a main shaft(again looking back to a bicycle wheel), where the shaft is a cylinder that houses a person, electronics, what ever is needed to be housed. The putter shell would then be able to be spun using the electro magnets. this would cut down on friction the shell experiences.


I'm not saying this is a viable option, but hey, nor is over-unity and "free energy", otherwise people would be doing it already.


Now the question is, if this shell is spun via electro magnets, how will this affect the weight?


I am not an engineer, but I know that a magnet that would be required to will weigh a shit ton(not even including the power source that would be required to fuel this beast), but you would need multiple magnets arranged in a series to get it to spin effectively.


But for test purposes, you wouldn't need said power supply onboard. In a small scale model you would only really need something like a data link cable(to connect the electro mags to a computer to time your firing of each magnet), and a power cable with the appropriate gage that would be required  to support the power requirements.




The next question is, what the fuck do you build it out of? cristache mentioned A36 steel. Which to his calculation, should withstand the forces. But what if we look into reinforcing a plastic?


I have always been a fan of plastic. I was raised in Fiji. Education was limited due to having parents with 6 other kids(me being the last one), and being burned out(i was a oppsy). They gave up, didn't care about me, nor my education. So imagine (if you had kids), what they would be like if you didn't push them to do homework, or even go to school and had the option to go surfing, or help out captaining a deepsea fishing boat at resorts? I can almost guarantee 99% of all kids will say I want to go fishing and surfing and diving instead of crunching numbers, writing essays and such.


With that said, I spent most of my time on boats, deep sea fishing, learning nonsense, useless shit that does not mean anything in the corporate world (I work in the IT field). Knowing how to match deepsea lures to the weather/water to catch a fish does nothing, nor being able to tell when it is going to rain does nothing. Or even being able to grow just about any thing along with being able to plan a farm for ones survival.


Now that you know that about me, spending 90% of my time in a boat out in the middle of the ocean, i have seen much plastic. So many bottles, bags, containers, anything and everything. I've always had the idea of, lets recycle that plastic and melt it down into a mold that is a hull shape for a boat. A fully recycled boat, made of plastic bottles, not only would it help the planet, but it puts that shit back to use and you will have maintenance to deal with.


I know that since my knowledge is so limited, i can't answer if a plastic be strong enough to withstand a force of spinning at 100k+ RPM's, or even a remote possible.  I mean i'm sure if there is some sort of plastic that you can manufacture/recycle to withstand these types of speeds, and forces that come with it, but the question is, would it be lighter than steel?



Also on another note, maybe you could cut the speed down if you added some sort of hood scoop to the top or maybe the outer edge of the craft to funnel airflow into a chamber that would then funnel it out the bottom to help "levitate" the whole unit? It would then basically be very similar to a giant spinning turbine engine without the outer shell.




Again these are just ideas, not reality, but I thought maybe one day it would be interesting to see a small concept/prototype.

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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2012, 01:08:07 AM »
@ Neo-X
I made no claim. All I'm saying is one cannot assume one twin will be older than the other one when the experiment is done.
And I respected Einstein theory in the logical explanation.
So next time people think traveling at a close to c velocity, they are aging slower compared with a stationary person we know that's not true.

Now there is a debate here if there is an aether moving around and creating all the matter in the universe and there is an absolute fixed frame of reference, the aether is moving relative to.
Take a look here http://www.rhythmodynamics.com/Gabriel_LaFreniere/matter.htm
Consider this (http://www.rhythmodynamics.com/Gabriel_LaFreniere/matter_files/Doppler_conv.gif) an electron standing wave moving to the left. The wave fronts are getting closer and closer and we experience that as a mass increase or energy increase like in E=mc^2.
The limit will be c, the speed of light, that being also how fast the waves are departing from the electron center. So the electron is creating those waves and by moving is trying to catch it's own wave fronts. It will not be able to overcome that.


Offline Neo-X

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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2012, 08:03:31 AM »
Interesting.. I read the link you post. They believe that all the matter is composed only of eather. Maybe its true a different wave pattern of eather can make a different particles like electron and proton. But still its just a theory and no supporting evidence.

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Offline WilbyInebriated

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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2012, 09:08:21 AM »
But still its just a theory and no supporting evidence.
if it has no supporting evidence... that would be a hypothesis. you're 28? and you don't even know what a theory is?

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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2012, 01:44:28 PM »
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Offline Neo-X

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« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2012, 01:45:31 PM »
English is not my native language. Im good only when reading but in speaking im really bad. You will notice that almost all my post are edited and im not speak too much.

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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2013, 10:46:12 PM »
Hi there
I was just thinking , if the Einstein twins and slower time would be just a Doppler effect and nothing else ?
If the observer on earth, could see the clock in the rocket , going half of the speed of light , clock would bee seen as going at half speed.
Same with the twin ageing slower.
The thing not mentioned is that, if the rocket reverse with the same speed , clock will go faster ? Similar to ambulance going towards you, and the way pitch changes ?
It's again "things are not the way you see them" they are what they are :)
And if the speed of light is not the limit ( why would it ? ) , I wonder what the equivalent of sonic boom would be ? What if that is the explanation for ufo's appearing ad disappearing ?
And about time travel.
If you know the paradox of going back in time and shooting younger yourself in the head , for me it's enough proof for time travel being impossible.
I'm ready for getting flamed :)
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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2013, 10:49:16 PM »
English is not my native language. Im good only when reading but in speaking im really bad. You will notice that almost all my post are edited and im not speak too much.
I'm the same , so please understand , that we are very restricted with expressing our thoughts .

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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2013, 07:13:57 AM »
@HH

Time dilation is not related on doppler effect. About the rocket going reverse, the clock on it will not go faster instead it will go slow. All matter moving in any direction reverse or forward the time on it will go slow. I will explain to you how time dilation works. Light and particle like electron travel at speed of c and this speed doesnt change whether you are on high speed spacecraft travelling half of speed of light, it always at speed of c. Electrons is the responsible why there is a chemical change and chemical change is responsible why we undergo aging. Now when we are in spacecraft moving at very high speed, our electrons in our body and all matter in the spacecraftt is lag behind, slowing the movement of electrons and thus aging. Even clock on it will tick slowly bcoz the electrons through the wire are moving slowly. If the spacecraft traveling at speed of light, (electrons and spacecraft will now travelling at the same speed) your electrons in your body will completely stop from flowing through different parts of your body preventing chemical change and aging.

So it was possible to go in the future but it is impossible to go in the fast and one of reason is the twin paradox like you said. In order to go back in time, all matter should go in previous state which is impossible.

I have a lot of going to say but my  english skill are limited.


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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2013, 09:39:24 PM »
Time dilation is not related on doppler effect.

Why ?
I think , that doppler effects with light were rejected only because it would be a proof for aether to exist.
A medium to propagate light and em waves . If you take a medium affecting and restricting the speed of light into account , you could compare all the weird things happening , to sound waves restricted by air.
I'm not physicist , only trying to understand things :)   

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« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2013, 10:02:49 PM »
Electrons is the responsible why there is a chemical change and chemical change is responsible why we undergo aging. Now when we are in spacecraft moving at very high speed, our electrons in our body and all matter in the spacecraftt is lag behind, slowing the movement of electrons and thus aging.

With all the respect , this I cannot digest.
Why would the speed affect biological functions ?
And which direction ? Related to what point in space ?
I've red the articles about relativity theory and time dilution. 
Don't get it. And I'm not afraid to admit this.
Someone written before that most physicist don't get it. They just afraid to say it. :)

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« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2013, 04:00:13 AM »

With all the respect , this I cannot digest.
Why would the speed affect biological functions ?
And which direction ? Related to what point in space ?
I've red the articles about relativity theory and time dilution. 
Don't get it. And I'm not afraid to admit this.
Someone written before that most physicist don't get it. They just afraid to say it. :)

Even your mind doesnt want to accept it, theres nothing you can do but to accept it bcoz thats the real law of nature..  :D
Yeah theres some scientist cant fully understand and accept this coz it conflict in our common sense.

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