..........I just summarize what seems to be an important key: many parallels primaries seems to interact and seems to get an amplification effect. Therefore it seems we should build more than one set

Do you mean "wired" in parallel or placement being parallel. If placement are they wired in parallel or series. I think the patent shows series.

-Core

Core
 From antijon reply 3066.

 
 

NRam, when I look at the picture you provided I have a hard time understanding how you are defeating the Transformer effect. I would imagine your increased secondary output would have a proportional effect on the primary. This would especially be true if traditional induction took place in your coil. A larger output would indicate a larger magnetic field on the secondary. This magnetic field would interact with the primary coil, if its circuit is closed.

In essence you are still held hostage by Lenz's Law. Also in the picture are you using a solid core or individual cores for the primary and secondary.

-Core

Sir:

My knowledge on what is a Transformer effect is low. In a Generator as Figuera explains magnets are rotated creating a rotating magnetic field. The coils are wound on iron cores and these coils get induced electricity and the iron cores become electromagnets of opposite polarity and they therefore block the magnet from rotation. Therefore this requires additional energy from the outside to rotate the magnets and so more energy in and less energy out. So this is considered a transformation of mechanical energy to Electrical Energy.

To the contrary if we use coils to rotate current on Two solenoid electromagnets a rotating magnetic field is created in the iron core. If another coil is placed in connection with and in between the opposite poles of the two electromagnets the magnetic waves travel through the secondary and thus they cause an induction and therefore the necessity of movement is avoided.

I have checked the two primary coils connected in series and connected in parallel. For a single secondary coil not much of a change is visible but when more than one is involved the increase in output is visible. We can also explain it that due to the increased voltage of the secondary the amperage also increases and this is the reason for it.

You have written as follows:

A larger output would indicate a larger magnetic field on the secondary.

This is true. To understand this you need to look at the picture again. The Primary coils are 6 inch dia plastic pipes. Iron rods hammered in weigh approximately 60 kgms in each primary. The secondary core is 4 inch dia plastic pipe. Iron rods hammered in weigh approximately 30 kgsm

So two primaries have 120 kgms of magneized iron core. The primaries are connected in parallel. The current moves from the center as you can see to the outside and then moves towards the center where secondary coil is placed. Because the central coil is placed NS-NS-NS and the central coil is smaller in a hour glass shape. the magentic field strength of 120 kgs of iron of primaries focus on 30 kgs of iron on the central coil and so central magnetic field strength is higher. 120 kgms of Magnetic field strength is compressed to megnetise 30 kgms of iron. Therefore the magnetic field strength in the central coil is higher. This further increases as the secondary coils gets energised. Then the magnetic field strength is reduced as the current in the primary again moves out towards the outer portion. The intensity of the magnetic field strengh here is reduced and increased. The intensity increases enormously if the weight of the iron in the center is reduced by reducing the length of the secondary and iron goes in to saturation. We have learnt that does not work and is not sustainable. Some increase and decrease is needed but not saturation. So this is similar to clapping of hands where the sound is made when the hands touch each other and is stopped when the hands move away. I request you to notice that the secondary is placed on two platic tubes and that will show you that the secondary core is smaller in diameter than the primary core.

Wikipedia says that Lenz law effect is absent when electricity is generated due to the interaction of opposite poles. Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz%27s_law#Conservation_of_momentum

Now if you place a secondary wire between two primary wires where current in one primary is going down and current in another primary is going up and the secondary coil is wound in such a way that each adjacent turn of the secondary coil is separated by 2 to 4 times the diameter of the wire. Joesph Cater explains that adjacent turns closely wound turns would oppose each other and so widely spaced turns would not oppose each other. I donot know if these things are true or not for I do not have that kind of knowledge. What I do know is this.

When a secondary coil is wound like this and placed in between two primary layers and connected to the central secondary coil the voltage of the secondary coil increases. When the voltage increases amperage also increases. This happens without drawing additional power from the mains. The increase in the secondary placed between two primary layers appear to me to come from electrostatic induction rather than electromagnetic induction.

Same high cop>1 figures come when Iron goes in to satuartion and even if the secondary coil is wound on the core. But that is so high a voltage we cannot use it. Secondly high saturation of iron causes the rods to heat enormously and wires also get heated and this is not a sustainable proposition.

Another thing that I have noticed is that for the same number of turns if we increase the magnetic field strength the voltage of the output coil increases. So secondary voltage can be increased not only by increasing the number of turns but also by increasing the magnetic field strength. Of course it is increased and reduced 50 times a second.

We have reduced the primary input by using a 12 filar coil. 10 of them are 2.5 sq mm wires and 2 of them are 4 sq mm wires. We have also seen that for the same magnetic field strength if we use thicker insulation we get more amperage and more voltage. Why I do not know but this is what we have observed.

Getting Amperage High Amperage out of a solenoid is childs play. It is so easy. But getting voltage is very difficult. Especially when the amperage goes up very high. Hanon has indicated to me that in the Figuera 1908 device the input was 100 volts and 1 Amp and output was 300 amps and possibly 67 volts to account for the 20000 watts output described by BuForn. Only 50 sq mm wires can carry 300 Ampere current and so the output wires need to be very thick and for safety of operations the Tesla range of the core should be less than 1.2 Tesla for long continuous user. So probably the device was a very heavy device that had lot of iron. Hanon has also clarified that only in the 1902 device the output was 550 volts and 28 amps.

I have to confirm that if we use only one secondary the output is COP<1. We consider that the Buforn style Long Pole as the better of the two alternatives presented as for every Four coils instead of two we get three secondary coils.You have one coil as bonus coil. If you have 8 Primary cores instead of four secondary cores you get 7 secondary cores and so a bonus of 3 additional cores.  We have seen good magnetic field strength to come at 220 volts and 1 amp and winding many such secondaries should enable us to get higher output.

A torodial shape can make an equal number of primaries and secondaries.

This device differs from a Transformer in that when multiple secondaries are there you have magnetic field strength reducing in one secondary and increasing in another secondary and all secondaries are connected in series. The device can work as a very cheap device for the only thing needed is lot of coils and iron core which are not expensive.

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A small level-shift has occurred (around 2v) and the signal is attenuated, but the shape is a darn close approximation and is completely unaffected by outside conditions !

What's best about this setup is that it can be driven by any sort of clock generator, especially digital pulses, and so the frequency stability depends only on the type of clock circuit that drives it.  It could even be a crystal driven circuit once the frequency is known.

This is the full circuit that I'll be building today.  Not quite full - I've left out the driver circuits for now.  The 'scope readings above were taken from just one-half of this circuit (one 4015) to test everything - I need to add the second (inverted) sine generator.

Below the circuit diagram is the 'scope output of the same signal (CH2 unchanged) and the VOLTAGE output to one of my primary coils, through my power driver circuit (coming soon).  I still need a reliable CURRENT probe to see what the real picture is...

I can supply a pcb layout if anyone is interested (but wait till I've built mine first 

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I see that people here are building circuits and looking at scopes and making a lot of circuits that I do not understand any thing.

The thing is so simple.
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This can be partly offset by using high voltage input. This is the principle involved.

NRamaswami, the circuits are an attempt to get away from using mains electricity.  I know that there is already a nice sine wave (well, not even nice, it's so polluted with CPL and other high frequency junk) - I pay far more than enough for it.   I want to try using the Figuera technique with a device that will work from 1 or two standard 12v batteries.  That's what the circuits are all about.  Thankyou, in any case, for sharing.

Glenn

So, with a bullet-proof jacket and steel helmet against the flack, here goes...

No need to worry, keep up the good work. Sounds like you have a strong electrical background, something I admire. What do you plan on driving? What kind of primary voltage will you be using.

-Core

Sir:

My knowledge on what is a Transformer effect is low.

Generally I was referring to the Lenz's effect experienced when a transformation of any kind occurs.

To the contrary if we use coils to rotate current on Two solenoid electromagnets a rotating magnetic field is created in the iron core. If another coil is placed in connection with and in between the opposite poles of the two electromagnets the magnetic waves travel through the secondary and thus they cause an induction and therefore the necessity of movement is avoided.

True, but when the core are individual, meaning not physically connected, the induction is generally week. Induction is stronger when the Primary and Secondary cores are mated, much like a common transformer. Induction is increased the closer the Induced core is to the Inducer core and vise versa. In a generator the clearance is very small, increase this clearance and output is diminished. This has been my experience.

I have checked the two primary coils connected in series and connected in parallel. For a single secondary coil not much of a change is visible but when more than one is involved the increase in output is visible. We can also explain it that due to the increased voltage of the secondary the amperage also increases and this is the reason for it.

This is where I get lost. If you add more coils to your secondary you must be increasing consumption on the Primary coil.

So two primaries have 120 kgms of magneized iron core. The primaries are connected in parallel. The current moves from the center as you can see to the outside and then moves towards the center where secondary coil is placed. Because the central coil is placed NS-NS-NS and the central coil is smaller in a hour glass shape. the magentic field strength of 120 kgs of iron of primaries focus on 30 kgs of iron on the central coil and so central magnetic field strength is higher. 120 kgms of Magnetic field strength is compressed to megnetise 30 kgms of iron. Therefore the magnetic field strength in the central coil is higher.

I am trying to visualize the central coil being NS-NS-NS. Does that mean you have three separate cores?

When a secondary coil is wound like this and placed in between two primary layers and connected to the central secondary coil the voltage of the secondary coil increases. When the voltage increases amperage also increases. This happens without drawing additional power from the mains. The increase in the secondary placed between two primary layers appear to me to come from electrostatic induction rather than electromagnetic induction.

Any chance you could draw a hand sketch of the arrangement. Also what primary voltage are you using, 220 vac?

Hanon has indicated to me that in the Figuera 1908 device the input was 100 volts and 1 Amp and output was 300 amps and possibly 67 volts to account for the 20000 watts output described by BuForn.

Depends how you interpret that paragraph in the patent. It is actually from the Buforn patent if I recall. Buforn was just theorizing and was attempting to make a point. If my memory serves he doesn't state he uses 100 volts @ 1amp in his generator. I believe he stated that in reference to reducing losses in a traditional generator. Doing that a generator that is feed with 100 volts @ 1 amp could produce 300 volts @ x amps. I will go back and take a look.


-Core

Glad to hear someone use the term compression of the fields. The total number of lines of force from the field result in the amount of flux which is able to be changing in the coil it is effecting. Cant very well run a wind generator in a vacuum. The density of the air turning a wind turbine does effect the force exerted on the blades the same way a jet flying at high altitude will have less wind resistance compared to flying at low altitude even air temperature has an effect. The density of the medium is used to advantage once you except it exists and begin to think in those terms. I'm not saying you can get an infinite volume to compress to an infinitely small space, it's not a black hole. You can certainly take advantage of instead of being taken advantage of by sensible design and simplicity.

 Almost forgot. Hannon I checked on the French purchase possibly he was ordering a custom built lead acid battery/s from the inventor of the lead acid battery or the successors of it or getting the technical data to produce the same. It was where the lead acid rechargeable battery was invented production would be expected to have started in France where it was invented first by Raymond Gaston Planté mid to late 1800's. Prior cells were the type that consumed the zinc and had to have the zinc replaced often enough to make it not desirable or commercially viable to develop a generator that used batteries to start.