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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2334809 times)

forest

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" Important factor at this point is the sun, which we shall discuss, though
succinctly, particularly.It is the sun, the center of our planetary system and
from him we receive so big benefits as the light and the heat; the sun is
therefore an electrical generator unsurpassed, since it condenses in immerse
quantity the above-mentioned elements of light and heat, being thus a base of the
electric power production."


Buforn

hanon

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@ all
I´m in the way to translate the 1914 patent as accurately as I can.
The translations made with web programs are very inappropriate,  because Buforn was not known to be an engineer nor a technician, therefore his old fashioned lexicon and language style, is quite prone to misinterpretation.

will post it here when finished.
cheers
Alvaro


Hi Alvaro,


Very good idea !! 


While I think that Buforn´s patent does not include any new concept over Figuera´s 1908 patent (basically it is a copy of the same foundations plus some improvements) , I think it will help a lot to clarify doubts about the iron core orientations. People will be able to read it and see that the "transformer-core type with air-gaps to divert the Lenz effect" theory is out of the scope in these patents. And that Buforn did not mention any of that either, because he described straight bar cores in all the inducers and induced coils.


I attach here a file with the text of the patent no. 57955 (year 1914) in case you may find it useful for your translation. I have not included both drawings because this file it is just to help you in the translation.


All: You may start using Google Translator for a rogh translation of the patent while waiting for the final document. Also you may use the machine-based translation provided by Ramaswami some post earlier, which is fine to grasp the main foundations of this patent. The patent has two drawings that you may consult in alpoma.net website


Regards

core

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Hi Core,

Note also that Figuera just called reactangles N ans S. He never said to be north - south polarity, just used N and S as a way to call each series of electromagnets. I do not know if you have seen my video about my pole orientation interpretation. If not, you can find it in my youtube chanel (user : hanon1492). Please search it to see what I mean. If you can not fin it please advice me. Right now I do not want to put the link again because I see a high degree of mess between both Figuera´s patents and I do not want to increase that mess. It has many in common with this other : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCClYZp9Yls#t=3m00s
Regards

The whole N & S thing is perplexing and since no one has hit a home run your theory is just as valid as anyone's else. Interesting is the Buforn patent, he also states N & S  when talking about the electromagnets. However I will say that if the patent and the associated drawings represented a working device non of us would be on this site.

What I find interesting is that Buforn uses the words North & South when talking about the different hemispheres of the dis-charger. But only uses N & S when the talk turns to the electromagnets. Maybe its just a coincidence but permanent magnets are always referenced by the letters N & S and hardly ever fully written out North & South when shown on a diagram or magnetic bar.

Of course I know they talk about the core material and shape in the patents but what if this core material just sleeves a permanent magnet. So when the N electromagnet is at 100% the magnetic field is composed of the electromagnet and the permanent magnet. At that time the S electromagnet is empty (to use patent text) but the permanent magnet is till creating a force not nearly as large as the N side.

Question is: Does the S side, that is fueled only by the permanent magnet when the N side is 100% automatically try to increase its magnetic flux to balance the N side? On a decrease in current from the N side the magnetic field would collapse slightly cutting the wires and the S side would grow, also cutting the wires when the current was past 50% of the resistance.

What effect would this produce if any, not sure

One thing thats pleasant about the Figuera device is that there is no mystical spark gap or bizarre Tesla coil high voltage effect.

-Core
 

RandyFL

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One thing thats pleasant about the Figuera device is that there is no mystical spark gap or bizarre Tesla coil high voltage effect.


Core,
Maybe that's what the Figuera needs...  :-)

Also... Maybe there's a third induced coil underneath... for one more aspect of power ( just thinking ). Or maybe a 4th or 5th and the N and S is just reference ... who knows... maybe the Figuera is just an idea ( like someone stated ) and you just daisy chain for the power that you need?

All the Best

ALVARO_CS

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hola hanon

thanks for your kind words.
I already translated up to page 16 of the (Photocopied) original document.

As to have a practical system of reference, I have numbered each paragraph in the original as in the translation, in case of disagreement with the translation.

I am including a brief glossary of terms which are prone to mislead, due to the use by Buforn of a pronounced tendency to use the same word for different meanings, and vice versa.
I`m doing a great effort to translate as literal as possible to match with the meaning.

In a note apart, I warn you about this program translation, as I have found in it huge mistakes !!

Will post it here asap
Regards
Alvaro

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Great news Alvaro!!!


You are working really hard. 16 pages in just one day!! Take your time, you will end exhausted. I did not start translating this patent because it was a huge work and you are doing it in few days!!


Do not forget to attach the two drawings using a whole page per image in order that every detail can be view perfectly. Those drawing are the best proof to reject any weird theory about transformer-core type geometry. You document will be of great value to those still designing Bajac´s proposal as it was Figuera´s ideas, which is false.


Regards


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Of course I know they talk about the core material and shape in the patents but what if this core material just sleeves a permanent magnet. So when the N electromagnet is at 100% the magnetic field is composed of the electromagnet and the permanent magnet. At that time the S electromagnet is empty (to use patent text) but the permanent magnet is till creating a force not nearly as large as the N side.

-Core


It is quite possible. Even Buforn mentioned in his patent that standard dynamos require an external magnetic field, that it is the Earth magnetic field. (¿?) A weird statement from Buforn. This is the theory exposed in his last patent.


Nowadays you can hide a part of the whole patented device without disclosing it if you claim to have described the whole system . You must patent the whole working device if you claim that what you are patenting is a whole working invention. But I guess that the Patent Law in Figuera´s and Buforn´s years in Spain was not as developed as nowadays. In fact, Buforn patented 5 times the exact same generator and copied to Figuera´s 1908 device. Now you may just file one time the same inventions.  The rest of patents would be rejected. 


Regards

ALVARO_CS

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hanon
I agree in most of your statements,
The patenting procedure and requirements in the Spain of 1914 are for us "an unknown territory", but at the reading of this Buforn patent one realizes what a low standard of scientific accuracy was accepted.

Alvaro

P.S. I started the work  last weekend as per Rams request. And it has been indeed a LOT of hours on it.

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Alvaro:

Thank you very much for the translation effort. It had been tough on us even with programs. As I told you many were guestimates by us.

However I'm not able to understand the criticism of the spanish patent office standards in 1914. They insisted on a working prototype. As Hanon says each one is a slight modification or improvement over the earlier 1908 one and patents of addition are allowed. In India even today with the restriction that their term is limited to the term of the original patent. Not more. So I do not see any thing wrong with multiple patents which are improved devices of the same. As far the scientific discussion by BuForn is concerned I believe that it is very high quality Scientific discussion. He is going to the root cause and explaining what is the root cause of every thing or what is shown as the Al Origin in the patent drawings. We may not be able to understand today what was the thought process 100 years back. But we cannot say it is not scientific. To that extent I have to beg to disagree with you. 

But all of you are ignoring one element. BuForn demonstrated before the Spanish Patent Office a device that ran on its own. Powered itself and then powered other things. Devices like this have been built but the makers are either so greedy that they would ask for the moon as the price and it would go without being known to any one. The Ed Gray motor is one such thing. For professional reasons I'm unable to disclose any thing but let me see that devices like that are built by not one but by many people and they are not even filed for patents. The inventors are so secretive they refuse to give any details but want a patent and want a fee that no one would pay. I know of one such device but because of professional ethics I cannot say any thing. It is not built by me any way.  So replicating the device of Figuera is a very important task. Just as our Senior friend Mr. Mack has quoted a 1910 book another friend has asked me to study another book written about Electricity and Magnetism but published in 1842. So we can understand the original thoughts. Let me come back here if I have any thing useful to post.

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But all of you are ignoring one element. BuForn demonstrated before the Spanish Patent Office a device that ran on its own. Powered itself and then powered other things.

Rams,
I must have missed that part... show me where it states that.

All the best

NRamaswami

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Randy:

You must study carefully.

That document is here http://www.alpoma.net/tecob/?page_id=8258

link http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/test.pdf

Downloaded and attached for your benefit. As I know you well, you are so dedicated but you are very superficial and you are not giving attention to details. Please study carefully.

I will not be able to post for some time now. Heavy work on hand.

RandyFL

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Randy:

You must study carefully.

That document is here http://www.alpoma.net/tecob/?page_id=8258

link http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/test.pdf

Downloaded and attached for your benefit. As I know you well, you are so dedicated but you are very superficial and you are not giving attention to details. Please study carefully.


Rams,

My friend... don't mix lawyer speak with engineer speak... ( my apparatus generated electricity... just not copious amounts of it )
I quote here...
 " Certify: That I have examined the material consisting of original memory corresponding
to said background patent, issued on June 6, 1910, for "A GENERATOR OF
ELECTRICITY" UNIVERSAL "which consists essentially of a series of inducer
electromagnets combined with a series of electromagnets or induced coils, a switch
and comprising a brush or rotary switch, which makes contact successively on the
series of fixed contacts and get a continuous variation of the current flowing through
the coils of the inducer electromagnets, developing in this manner a current in induced
coils. "

There is a saying " I am from Missouri show me "...

Like Doug1 ( or maybe Doug2 ) stated it... it has to run by itself and then power something else...

... if it is " show me " where specifically ( I am dedicated to details )...

professor Figuera invented " His " apparatus... everybody else has to " walk " as the saying goes...

Lastly... My friend... I'm not here to argue with anybody... but please... as Hanon has stated refer to specifically what, where and exactly in the patent you speak from...
...there is/are many different people/s ( working and conversing ) about the " Figuera " and each has a different dialect and custom and manners from us all..........
Let us work together ( and hopefully we can agree to disagree - with respect )

All the Best



NRamaswami

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Randy ..My apologies if you are even slightly hurt by my writings. The patent says it clearly that it produced more output than input and using that output continued to run. Yes it not shown in the report but it is stated in the patent.

I apologize again. I have to complete one thing before August 7 which is deadline for it and will post later. I have never intended to hurt you or any other member here at any time. Please accept my apologies. Please excuse me from the forum for some time due to work commitments.

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Rams,
Let us endeavor to find the Figuera's true potential. Good luck in your work.

All the Best

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@all
I have finished to translate the 1914 patent of BUFORN as it is in that pdf from the aploma web page,  a photocopy of the original, to which I added a numeric reference to its paragraphs and same to my translation. (in two format, pdf and word)

I also added some notes at the beginning to clarify the meaning of some words  used in the patent.
I hope it will be useful for any of you trying to replicate  this device. just remember that this is not a Figuera patent, but a Buforn one, made years after the Figuera death.

cheers
Alvaro


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2489 on: August 01, 2015, 02:11:11 AM »
Alvaro_CS and All Others,
For your translation work...it gets us closer to the intent ( for lack of a better word ) of Professor Clemente Figuera's life long work...
As someone else has stated... I too think about the Figuera almost daily.

All the Best