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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1121352 times)

Offline bajac

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Kehyo,
 
As I said, I will experiment and test the concept. If heating occur due to Eddy currents in the aluminum bars, then, I will replace them with something non-metallic. Thanks for the advice.
 
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Can't wait for the test results, your setup looks promising.
You're welcome ;)



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Re: COMPARING HEINS AND FIGUERA'S TRANSFORMERS
« Reply #77 on: April 24, 2013, 01:09:55 AM »
I have compared the designs from Clemente Figuera and Thanes Heins and concluded that the 100 years old concept is more efficient. The following are the bases for the conclusion:
 
Can you see a pattern between the apparatus of Figuera and Heins? Figuera’s design consists in placing a secondary coil between two primary coils. Meanwhile, Heins’ design shows a primary coil between two secondary coils.
 
As I already explained in my paper about the Figuera’s apparatus, the induced secondary magnetic field is pulled away from the inducing primary coil by the other primary coil. That is, there is no magnetic fields interaction between the inducing primary coil and the induced secondary coil. However, this is no true for the Heins’ apparatus.
 
First, the Heins’ apparatus found in this link:
 
http://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/embed_code/16180925?hostedIn=slideshare&referer=http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins#
 
indicates that the magnetic fields of the two secondary coils must interact with the primary in order for the apparatus to work. Moreover, in order for the Heins’ apparatus to have an optimum performance, the load on the secondary coils must be matched.
 
If you already read my article, you can see that the magnetic field distribution of the Heins’ design and shown in the above link is not correct. Because the magnetic field does not have a beginning or an end, it is not possible to have them flowing within the iron cores, only. Therefore, the secondary magnetic fields must cross the air gap windows of the Heins’ device to reach and interact with the only primary coil. When the loads connected to the secondary coils are the same, the net influence of the induced fields on the primary coil is zero. The effects of the secondary coils onto the primary are null and it can say that the Lenz’s law effect has been mitigated.
 
Second, if the secondary loads are not properly matched, the resultant of the secondary magnetic fields will react with the primary field in such a way as to oppose the primary magnetic field. As a consequence, the effects of the Lenz’s law are not completely cancelled and the current through the primary coil will increase. And,
 
Third, because of one secondary coil, the Figuera’s transformer should have lower output impedance than the Hein’s transformer. Having two secondary coils increases the magnetic flux losses and the wire resistance.
 
The Heins’ transformer should work better if the two secondary coils are connected in series to add their voltages. In this way you will always guarantee that the secondary magnetic fields are properly matched.
 
Finally, I have finished the construction of the primary and secondary coils. See my progress in the following photos: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/405/bobinasprimarias.jpg/
 
Bajac   

Hi Bajac
I assume you are referring to the BiTT setup of Thanes ?

I've done some reading of the Figuera documents but I don't see where free energy or negating Lenz law is mentioned. And anyway I don't think that two secondaries in Thane's setup
if they are evenly matched would negate Lenz effect in total or there would be no output.  No matter if the secondary does not appear to react on the primary because any output got from the secondaries enters the system by way of the primary.

Do you dispute that any energy utilized from the secondaries enters the system by way of the primary. Have you seen anything measured in the Watts range not mW range that
would indicate more energy out than is input by way of the primary ?

If a primary induces a magnetic polarity in a core and an output is got from a secondary then Lenz Law was in action or the energy transfer was not by induction.

Anyway I'm wondering where Clemente Figuera mentions free energy or the negating of Lenz Law.

Could someone point out where he mentions free energy or the negating of Lenz Law please or whatever it is that "implies" that ?

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I have finished all the mechanical work related to the electromagnets. I mounted the electromagnets on a 2 ft x 4 ft base with extra space available for mounting the driver components. I have posted three photos:


http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/805/cimg4013.jpg/



What is left is the wiring and the electronic driver for generating the two input voltages.


I am planning on experimenting with two types of drivers, the series resistors as shown in the patent and a stepper motor driver.


We are getting close to the truth!


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Farmhand,

Yes, I was referring to the BiTT unit.

Figuera does not explain how the extra energy is generated or where it comes from. However, his patent does state that the apparatus is for generating electricity without fuel and it also states that the amount of power is sufficient for industrial applications. In one instance, he stated his desire to power the big steam ships with his generator. Hanon has posted a lot of newspaper citations and articles of the time referring to Figuera. Hanon has done an important work rescuing the historical data and putting the pieces together.

Neither Figuera states that the over unity is due to the manipulation of the Lenz’s law effects. That explanation is given in the paper that I posted in the forum. The answer to some of your questions is found in the published paper. I would encourage you to read it and let me know if you have any comments or concerns.

The effects of the Lenz’s law are always present when inducing currents in coils through magnetic fields! The Lenz’s law effect is the mechanism used in physics to prevent having a device with outputs larger than the inputs. In other words, the Lenz’s effect is what prevents the standards transformers and rotating generators from becoming perpetual machines. What Mr. Figuera and others have proven is that there is a way for mitigating the effect and convert these machines in truly fuel-less generators.

Still, the latter does not answer the question where the energy is coming from or what energy is being transformed. The answer to these questions will also require an overhaul of the existing theory and rewriting existing physics and engineering books.

Thanks,
Bajac

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TEST OF PRACTICAL IMPLEMETATION OF THE PATENT
 
According to the spanish patent Law from the begining of the 20th century it was required a certification declaring the practical implementation of the patent in order to grant the patent.
 
After the death of Mr. Figuera in 1908, his representative Constantino de Buforn (who signed the 1908 patent as his representative, what also suggest me that Clemente Figuera was ill and could not travel to file his patent), Constatino de Buforn filed some patents which are identical to the one from 1908 except for slight modifications  (obviously the patent office in that time was not doing a deep exam for novelty because those patents after 1908 are literal copies of Mr. Figuera´s patent). On one of those patents (filed in 1910 with No. 47706) there is a declaration of the test of practical implementation done in 1913 and certified by a engineer. I could revise those expedients in the patent office. The patent was granted and its annuity renewal was paid for some years.
 
With all these data I wonder: 
 
Why did Buforn file more patents about this same subject?
Why did Buforn asked for a test of practical implementation?
Why did Buforn keep on following with this idea from the filing in 1910 to the final report in 1913?
Why do the report of the test of practical implementation show a positive declaration?
Why did he paid the annuity renewal for some years?
Why did Figuera sell his 1902 patent to a banker union and he kept silence until he filed the 1908 patent some days before his death?
 
I am afraid that the answer is clear: Because the generator worked !!
 
Please find attached a file with the traslation of the implementation report and also the pictures I could take in the Patent Office.
 
 

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hanon, my friend

You are doing marwellous work ! Thank You from all my heart , and I think Mr Figuera is happy now. Keep going, I have a feeling that things are quite opposite to all we have been told....yes,it seems scary but there is big hope at the end....

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Farmhand,

Yes, I was referring to the BiTT unit.

Figuera does not explain how the extra energy is generated or where it comes from. However, his patent does state that the apparatus is for generating electricity without fuel and it also states that the amount of power is sufficient for industrial applications. In one instance, he stated his desire to power the big steam ships with his generator. Hanon has posted a lot of newspaper citations and articles of the time referring to Figuera. Hanon has done an important work rescuing the historical data and putting the pieces together.

Neither Figuera states that the over unity is due to the manipulation of the Lenz’s law effects. That explanation is given in the paper that I posted in the forum. The answer to some of your questions is found in the published paper. I would encourage you to read it and let me know if you have any comments or concerns.

The effects of the Lenz’s law are always present when inducing currents in coils through magnetic fields! The Lenz’s law effect is the mechanism used in physics to prevent having a device with outputs larger than the inputs. In other words, the Lenz’s effect is what prevents the standards transformers and rotating generators from becoming perpetual machines. What Mr. Figuera and others have proven is that there is a way for mitigating the effect and convert these machines in truly fuel-less generators.

Still, the latter does not answer the question where the energy is coming from or what energy is being transformed. The answer to these questions will also require an overhaul of the existing theory and rewriting existing physics and engineering books.

Thanks,
Bajac

I might be missing something and I will investigate further, but from what I have read Figuera simply designed a way of producing AC sine wave power from a battery without the need for a rotating generator and associated rotating generator Lenz effects. Basically what I read up on was a step excitation method kind of thing for generating sine wave AC, the energy comes from the battery I think. Energy cannot be generated, sine waves can be generated, AC power can be generated, sound waves can be generated
but not energy. Electricity is generated with the input of energy to do it. Energy is utilized by way of the electric power generated by the expenditure of energy on the input end.

Looked like it was all powered by a battery to me.

I'm not trying to put anyone off the experiments, just trying to understand where the implication of extra energy is from.

Cheers

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From the patent here- http://www.scribd.com/doc/114818563/Clemente-Figuera-Patent-30378-1902-Spanish-and-English-1


Here he explains a conventional rotating generator.

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Since 1833, when Pixii, in France built the first magneto-electric machine, to the present time, all machines magneto and dynamo-electric science inventors has led the industry reposan the foundation in the law of induction says: "all magnet that moves toward or away from a closed circuit produces in him flows induction "In Gramme ring and the current dynamos, current occurs by induction that is exerted on the armature circuit wire, cutting their reels lines force created by the electromagnets exciters, or to move said armature, quickly, within the atmosphere between the magnetic pole faces of the electromagnets exciters and the soft iron core of the armature. To produce this movement, mechanical force need be employed in large quantity, it is necessary to overcome the magnetic attraction between the drivers and the core electrostatic attraction that opposes the motion, so the current dynamos are true machines transforming mechanical work into electricity.


Here he explains the benefit of his device.

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In the arrangement of excitatory and magnets our generator armature circuit has some analogy with the dynamos, but they are completely different from that, not requiring the use of motive power is not processing apparatus.

I think there is a misunderstanding of the text or translation mistake. When he says
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not requiring the use of motive power
it means he does not need to turn a generator shaft,
that does not say the device does not require electro-motive force emf to power the device.


The exciting currents become the output.
 
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A excitatory current, intermittent, or alternating, Actuates all the electromagnets, que are attached or in series, or in xxxxx?, or as required, and in the induced circuit currents Comprising Will Arise, together, the full generator current. That Allows suppressing the mechanical force, since there is nothing Which needs to be moved.

The claim indicates to me he invented a type of inverter.

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Invention of an electric generator without using mechanical force, since nothing moves, Which produces the same effects of current dynamo-electric machines thanks to several fixed electromagnets, excited by a discontinuous or Which Creates an alternating current induction in the motionless inducedcircuit, Placed Within the magnetic fields of the excitatory electromagnets.

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I watched a couple of Woopy's video's and All I see is a constant current transformer. If you try to draw too much power the voltage will drop and so the power will also drop. Just because the input is not affected by the output means very little.
That can be done in other ways as well. When the output exceeds the input something different will be happening.

If a device uses 10 watts right of the bat as soon as it is fired up, before any output is taken, then 5 watts is drawn with no affect on the input the device is only 50% efficient.
If the device uses 10 watts with no load then 5 watts is drawn and the input drops to 7.5 Watts then that is only 66% efficient.

If a device is using 10 watts then when 10 Watts is drawn if the input drops to zero so that there is 10 watts output with zero input, I'll eat my hat.

Testing with LED's is not much use that's flea power.

Has anyone got an output to exceed the input yet ?

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The claim indicates to me he invented a type of inverter.


Farmhand,
 
If you read the patent from 1908 you will notice that Figuera clearly states that he is claiming  a generator which does not use any fuel once started.
 
“…the production of the current in the induced, current that
we can use for any work for the most part, and of which only one small
fraction is derived for the actuation of a small electrical motor which make
rotate the brush, and another fraction goes to the continuous excitation of the
electromagnets, and, therefore, converting the machine in self-exciting, being
able to suppress the external power which was used at first to excite the
electromagnets. Once the machinery is in motion, no new force is required
and the machine will continue in operation indefinitely.”

“From this current is derived a small part to excite the machine
converting it in self-exciting and to operate the small motor which moves the
brush and the switch; the external current supply, this is the feeding current,
is removed and the machine continue working without any help indefinitely”
 

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ha ha ha Farmhand, try to explain last hanon citation  :P


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I understand Farmhand,

If you came to me 10 years ago with the same story, I would probably have cursed you. And, I would have done the same thing; “REPEATING WHATEVER IS WRITTEN IN TODAY’S LITERATURES”.

This is what I call “STILL CONNECTED TO THE MATRIX”. We are just brainwashed with tainted information that has lasted too long!

The explanation of where the energy comes from based on today’s accepted science is the only reason why scientists and engineers don’t even try to replicate these devices. It is up to the amateurs and technicians to turn this world around and play the role of NEO.

And, I wanted to add that the patent translation made by Hanon and others is correct. My first language is Spanish and I can assure you that there is nothing hidden in the translation. It is what Mr. Figuera intended to convey.

On the other hand, I think we should get back on track and continue with the practical implementation of the Figuera’s concept. The main purpose of this thread is to replicate the Figuera’s device.

Bajac
« Last Edit: April 25, 2013, 09:05:06 PM by bajac »

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 ;D ;D ;D ;D   everything is free energy, that's the whole truth, think about it in mantra


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Reference in the New York Herald the 9th of June 1902:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_tesla/tesla27_04.jpg

"...the only extraordinary point about it is that has taken so long to discover a simple scientific fact"....."the whole apparatus being so simple that a child could work it."

As Groucho Marx said after a similar statement: "Bring me here a child of 6 years!"   ;)

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