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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1073966 times)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4185 on: February 15, 2017, 10:38:22 AM »
Analyzing the impendance in the whole system with the Ohm´s Law we have that the condition for maximum and minimum current is found when the battery is connected directly to one row of electromagnets and the other path for current has to transverse the regulator and the other row of electromagnets.

Z_regulator : impedance in the regulator ( whether resistance or inductive reactance )

Z_electromagnets: impedance in each row of electromagnets


Maximum current: I_max = Voltage / Z_electromagnet

Minimum current: I_min = Voltage / ( Z_regulator + Z_electromagnets)


Then the achievable ratio of currents is:

I_max / I_min = ( Z_regulator + Z_electromagnets ) / Z_electromagnets


If Z_reg = Z_elec then I_max/I_min = 2

If Z_reg = 2·Z_elec then I_max/I_min = 3

If Z_reg = 4·Z_elec then I_max/I_min = 5

If Z_elec approach to zero then I_max/I_min goes to a very high value. Not good. (Besides when Z_elec tend toward zero then you have very few turns and your electromagnets is very weak)

The impedances in each part should keep a balance. You should match those impedances to the needed value of current ratio that you need according to your geometry (coils length ratio), etc... You may find an spreadsheet attached which is useful to estimates those values.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2017, 01:22:54 PM by hanon »

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4187 on: February 17, 2017, 06:00:39 PM »
Calculating the inductance of a toroid with the typical sizes that we have seen in the pictures the resulting inductance should be between 0.020 H and 0.040 H (assuming 35 turns in the toroid and relative permeability of 4000). Link to calculator: https://www.easycalculation.com/engineering/electrical/toroid-inductance-calculator.php



Being optimistism we can take 0.040 H and an average current to feed the electromagnets around 6 amperes (too optimistic):

E = 1/2·L·I^2 = ....= 0.72 joules

Taking into account that this process is repeated at 50 Hz (50 times each second) then the final energy is 0.72 * 50 = 36 watts !!

Conclusion: the toroid can be great to reduce the heat losses in the resistors, but it can not store big amounts of energy.


Doug: how many turns have your part G or you would like to build? And how many turns and impedance had your coils?. The only way to increse energy stored is with much more turns ( L ~ N^2 ). If you dont have those parts, at least which would be your choice?


Anyhow I do not buy the idea of the energy recycling in the toroid. If the energy were sent back to the toroid then the current would reverse and the system will suffer a polarity reversal, which is a capital sin in this device. Besides, the patents never mention any energy recycling mechanism.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4188 on: February 17, 2017, 07:07:20 PM »
Anyhow I do not buy the idea of the energy recycling in the toroid. If the energy were sent back to the toroid then the current would reverse and the system will suffer a polarity reversal, which is a capital sin in this device. Besides, the patents never mention any energy recycling mechanism.

 You dont have to buy it. Regardless of how many ways it's been worded you cant destroy energy.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4189 on: February 17, 2017, 07:36:08 PM »
I meant in the sense MM explain, recycling kilowatts of energy with those thick wires. If you just mean to recycle those 36 watts in that case I could see it as probable.


I see you dont say a word about bulding details. Maybe I am wrong but I am doubting of all , after watching the recomendations that your prophet is saying in EF

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4190 on: February 17, 2017, 07:36:29 PM »
Go to the link and look at 249 and 250. Then read the entire thing and consider there might be conditions that are not going to make everything universal that will only apply to certain set of conditions.

 Follow the directions in the patent with the understanding not all conditions are created equal so not all conditional equations are for use as a universal equations but for a specific set of conditions. As you have yet been able separate part from part or where a particular condition might exist in one part but not in another part by design to perform a function your gonna be lost.

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« Reply #4191 on: February 18, 2017, 03:45:25 PM »
If you guys are talking about using an electromagnet for your resistance, I'm afraid the only thing you'll be recycling is your time. Figuera's resistance was non inductive. Excess inductive reactance will turn this into a giant transformer, not a generator.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4192 on: February 19, 2017, 05:06:10 PM »
Antjon

 I can control anything I want with magnetic fields while maintaining separation from the output. That does not assume you will take the time to learn how it was done before the solid state rectifier was invented. The less you know the less you know what you gave up for a better way that was mostly better from the perspective of the beneficiary of that better way. More for them and less for you, less is more. They spend less and make more from you =the better way. It never defines who it was better for.

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« Reply #4193 on: February 20, 2017, 08:27:10 PM »
Doug, if you are referring to Tesla's rectifier, or a type of saturable reactor, then I already know what it is. The idea behind that is so far-fetched I don't even know where to start.

Figuera used a resistance for a reason. If anyone here has ever ran a transformer in series with a capacitor, they would know what happens. The inductive reactance is altered, and a transformer stops being a transformer. Now I'm not saying it becomes a generator, or produces OU, but turns ratios and other transformer rules start to change. The problem with using a capacitor to reduce inductive reactance is that it's frequency dependent. But a resistance will do the same thing at any frequency, which is why Tesla used a resistance to start some of his motors.

What I'm saying is, a normal generator uses D.C. Exciting current. The exciter winding has ZERO inductive reactance. So if I replaced the D.C. With AC, what would I expect? A giant inefficient transformer with an incredibly high reactance.

Reducing the reactance is a good place to start. Adding reactance, or using an AC source will give you a transformer.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4194 on: February 22, 2017, 08:46:19 PM »
Antijon;

The real question you should be asking yourself is what type of resistance did Figuera use knowing that the patent is drawn and worded in it's most elementary form for comprehension,  thus you are left with wire resistor or magnetic resistor and which one would be most beneficial in the Figuera device assuming it was being used to self sustain and govern it's self with the ability to store a magnetic field for later use.

I really don't think your options are plentiful.

Hanon;

 Your not storing kilowatts of energy, just enough to power the primaries and what ever you are using in the function of device. that was your miss interpretation of what was said.

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« Reply #4195 on: March 01, 2017, 02:29:51 PM »
A table comparing the features of transformers, generators, and Figuera generator and why this has no manifestation of the Lenz effect.

In generators, Lenz is manifested by a dragging in their movement as consecuence of the Lorentz force. In Figuera generator there is no dragging because nothing moves (the induced wires suffer internally the Lorentz force, thus why they must be tightly packed to avoid their movement/vibration). There is no dragging because there is no movement. Lenz exists, but as the only thing that moves are the massless magnetic lines then the work required to move them is almost null compared to move a physical object (armature)

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« Reply #4196 on: March 02, 2017, 10:51:48 PM »
Feynman on two different phenomena in induction


https://vimeo.com/197975622


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4198 on: March 16, 2017, 01:03:04 AM »
Buenas, No hay peor siego, que quien no quiere ver : Disculpa por si no te interesa este tema.
Me imagino que ni se te ocurre pensar que el “generador eléctrico” de Clemente Figuera, pudiera funcionar. ---- Funciona----. Estuve un par de años sin creérmelo y teniéndolo delante, siendo retroalimentado con la propia electricidad generada.
Y funciona como funciona cualquier Generador eléctrico convencional. Las explicaciones cuando lo tengas funcionando.
Yo tengo 4 electroimanes de un generador convencional (más o menos antiguo) estos electroimanes en total 4 ohmios, eran alimentados por corriente continua de 110 voltios, produciendo el generador unos 3500 vatios (cuando funcionaba con el motor)
Alimento 2 electroimanes con la mitad de la onda, por medio de un diodo (50 amperios 800 voltios) y los otros 2 electroimanes, los alimento con la otra media onda, con otro diodo. ¡Pero¡ alimento con 220 voltios, regulando el amperaje (solo 1 amperio dejo pasar) con vaso lleno de agua, colocando dentro dos plaquitas o cables (acercando y separando, se consigue más o menos amperaje) (Si se usa menos diferencia de potencial, que el triple de la corriente usada en continua, no tiene un buen rendimiento o no funciona)
A estos 2 y 2 electroimanes, les coloco 6 bobinas colectoras (según vueltas obtendrás más o menos voltaje)

Saludos y salud
PD: es real no es cachondeo, en el diseño original, ponen un cachivache, siendo este el que produce una onda sinusoidal (digamos, solo con el polo positivo, evitando histéresis de núcleos).
4 electroimanes = 110 v, 1 electroimán = 25 v; al usar juegos de 2 electroimanes en serie, 50 voltios en continua, en corriente alterna 150 voltios, como no tengo transformador de 150 v, pues 220 CA diodos y vasos de agua como regulador amperaje.


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« Reply #4199 on: March 16, 2017, 03:16:56 AM »
Ignacio,
Thank you. I will try this in the morning. All parts are on my bench.
Garry

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