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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 992750 times)

Offline Doug1

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4170 on: December 25, 2016, 10:26:06 PM »
 To the original question: Gens use a dc field winding and spin the magnet. When the magnet spins the field has direction of flow each time it turns 180 deg the flow is reversed in relation the output coils. With out the spin and making it stationary and wanting to still have a change in the direction of flow without reversing the domains of the core 180 which is very wasteful the options get pretty skinny. Take into account the time constants for a given field to reach the upper limit of saturation. Then add the load circuit for even more slowing down of the field building up. Then look at the no load condition of field magnet on a rotating gen compared to full load what is the difference in power being fed to the field magnet? If it ever drops to zero it no longer works. It has to be re-flashed. A certain amount of field is always present even at rest. It has to have a path for the flux which is primarily a closed path so it does not decay away into nothing. The Remanent single field even a week field will be in both parts but then you pull the cord or push the starter button and one part rotates while one part stays still. Picture this, you have an alinco magnet you break it half and run away with one half which half became empty? Does a gen look any different from a trofo now?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4171 on: December 26, 2016, 03:11:16 PM »
Thank you!
That makes sense.
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4172 on: December 26, 2016, 04:58:49 PM »
Word is out that you are building a new Professor Figeura system.
If you don't mind, I am of course curious to know what type of Part G you are
planning to use!
Thank you,
Shadow
If you would rather not, I understand.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4173 on: December 26, 2016, 06:59:03 PM »
To: Doug1
I am considering making a "barrel" type of commutator.
I believe that the centrifugal outward pressure along
with your suggested anti-spark recommendations would
help keep the brush from sparking. I have a metal lathe
to do the final internal cutting and polishing.
Shadow


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4174 on: December 27, 2016, 03:18:42 PM »
This type or style.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4174 on: December 27, 2016, 03:18:42 PM »
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4175 on: December 27, 2016, 07:09:26 PM »
WOW!
Is that the one you ground the flat space on?
The only one I had similar to that was this one.
This one was good to 20 amps but the mechanism
was slow as molasses in winter. I thought I would
be able to speed it up, but gave up on it.
Shadow


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4176 on: December 28, 2016, 09:48:51 PM »
No that is just a picture of an old style might even be home made. Certainly easier to wind and change out the winding. It would just take a big enough core which is dimension-ally different from a mot or a step transformer. I would venture a guess the core came out of an old mag amp for radio work. Was then converted to this or that. There is what looks to be some type of flat insulator under the windings that is larger then the center leg itself. to help support the wound conductor.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4177 on: December 29, 2016, 09:37:13 PM »
After fooling around with designs for class A amplifiers to power exciter electromagnets for a 16 KW generator, I found them to be  impractical due to excessive heating and heat sink requirements. Attached are block diagram and schematic drawings for a preliminary design which uses a crystal controlled 60 Hz frequency standard that can be synchronized with the incoming power line, an optional 3 phase signal source, a digital 10 stage (20 step) sine wave generator,and a PWM approach to powering the exciter electromagnets. A spreadsheet with applicable calculations is also attached.

I have not yet built this contraption, and would appreciate suggestions for improvements, corrections, and especially those pointing out mistakes.

Thanks in advance for your help.
Sam6
Note:
The drawings show a VCO with a 0/1 KHz sine wave output. The design calculations are for a 360/360000 Hz square wave output from that VCO.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4178 on: December 29, 2016, 09:39:56 PM »
OOPS, The drawing file did not attach.
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4179 on: December 30, 2016, 12:53:48 AM »
@ Sam6
Just a question.
 Have you already made a [smaller] working unit producing overunity??  I.E. producing more output energy than input energy consumed and verified that?
 Plus eventually looped it back feeding  itself.
 Regards Arne

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4180 on: December 30, 2016, 07:45:14 PM »
Good luck Sam6!
Shadow

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4181 on: December 31, 2016, 04:34:03 AM »
Sam;
Quote;
"I have not yet built this contraption, and would appreciate suggestions for improvements, corrections, and especially those pointing out mistakes."

I would start from scratch from what you have, following a tad but closer to the patent.

to every one else;

QUOTE;
"I have not yet built this contraption"

Does that answer your question and how did you miss that.

MM


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4182 on: January 02, 2017, 10:58:41 PM »
Sam;
Quote;
"I have not yet built this contraption, and would appreciate suggestions for improvements, corrections, and especially those pointing out mistakes."

I would start from scratch from what you have, following a tad but closer to the patent.

to every one else;

QUOTE;
"I have not yet built this contraption"

Does that answer your question and how did you miss that.

MM

I could not edit so had to repost.

I also would listen and follow Doug as close as you can, very smart person.

MM

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4183 on: January 03, 2017, 11:34:31 PM »
There are two errors in the original posting last week of my preliminary design drawings. The divide by 20 circuit to produce 1200 HZ from a 4046 was wrong. That has been corrected in the attachment.

The frequency output of the first 4046s in the MOSFET driver circuits was stated as 1/1Khz. That range has not been nailed down, but will be on the order of 100:1 rather than 1000:1 and will probably wind up in the range of 3600Hz to 36000Hz. Stay tuned, this sucker is fluid!!

Best wishes for the new year!!
Sam6


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4184 on: January 25, 2017, 12:27:04 PM »

Figuera device: two electromagnets oppossing forces near balance (in unison) moving along the induced coil length.


This post describes how two electromagnets forces are balanced and how the plane of magnetic lines collision is moved depending on the ratio of max/min currents used and the length ratio of inducer/induced coils. In order to achieve a change in the electromagnet force two factor are needed: current change (I) and air path change (x). If air path (R+x for one inducer or R+1+x for the other inducer) is constant then no movement is achieved because the force is then independent of the air path between the poles of the electromagnets and then no relation exists between the forces and the spatial dimension. Note that the electromagnet force equation just takes into consideration the air path between its poles because the air path is the high reluctance step compared to the low reluctance step along the magnetic steel. In fact both electromagnets forces search for balance and find the spatial point "x" where both forces are equal and then move the collision plane to that point "x" as response of the diference of current intensities applied in each electromagnet. The movement along the induced coil is just the response to search for equal forces: F_1 = F_2




At lines movement reversals the near balance forces are then completely balanced in order to provoke the movement reversal ( F1 = F2 ). Being R the length ratio of inducer/induced  ( R = Length_inducer / Length_induced ) , the equation which relates the currents in the electromagnets with the movement along the induced coil length is:


I_1 / (R+x) = I_2 / (R+1-x)


Which at max/min limits (x=0 or x = 1, the geometrical limits of the induced coil) we get:


I_max / I_min  <=  ( R + 1 ) / R


Under the ideal conditions assumed to get this result if the current ratio is higher than that limit, (R+1)/R, then the magnetic lines are moved outside of the induced coil extremes and then induction is stopped. Therefore, as a guideline, the current max/min ratio must be always below that value to guarantee that magnetic lines are always inside the induced coil limits.


If the lengths in inducer and induced are the same (Length ratio, R = 1) then the limit value for current ratio is (R+1)/R = = (1+1)/1 = 2 . If we take as reference the 1908 patent drawing dimensions where inducers are longer than induced coils and aprox. R = 2, then the limit value is (R+1)/R = (2+1)/2= 3/2 = 1.5
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