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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1331321 times)

Offline shadow119g

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4155 on: December 26, 2016, 06:59:03 PM »
To: Doug1
I am considering making a "barrel" type of commutator.
I believe that the centrifugal outward pressure along
with your suggested anti-spark recommendations would
help keep the brush from sparking. I have a metal lathe
to do the final internal cutting and polishing.
Shadow

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4156 on: December 27, 2016, 03:18:42 PM »
This type or style.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4157 on: December 27, 2016, 07:09:26 PM »
WOW!
Is that the one you ground the flat space on?
The only one I had similar to that was this one.
This one was good to 20 amps but the mechanism
was slow as molasses in winter. I thought I would
be able to speed it up, but gave up on it.
Shadow


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4158 on: December 28, 2016, 09:48:51 PM »
No that is just a picture of an old style might even be home made. Certainly easier to wind and change out the winding. It would just take a big enough core which is dimension-ally different from a mot or a step transformer. I would venture a guess the core came out of an old mag amp for radio work. Was then converted to this or that. There is what looks to be some type of flat insulator under the windings that is larger then the center leg itself. to help support the wound conductor.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4159 on: December 29, 2016, 09:37:13 PM »
After fooling around with designs for class A amplifiers to power exciter electromagnets for a 16 KW generator, I found them to be  impractical due to excessive heating and heat sink requirements. Attached are block diagram and schematic drawings for a preliminary design which uses a crystal controlled 60 Hz frequency standard that can be synchronized with the incoming power line, an optional 3 phase signal source, a digital 10 stage (20 step) sine wave generator,and a PWM approach to powering the exciter electromagnets. A spreadsheet with applicable calculations is also attached.

I have not yet built this contraption, and would appreciate suggestions for improvements, corrections, and especially those pointing out mistakes.

Thanks in advance for your help.
Sam6
Note:
The drawings show a VCO with a 0/1 KHz sine wave output. The design calculations are for a 360/360000 Hz square wave output from that VCO.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4159 on: December 29, 2016, 09:37:13 PM »
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4160 on: December 29, 2016, 09:39:56 PM »
OOPS, The drawing file did not attach.
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4161 on: December 30, 2016, 12:53:48 AM »
@ Sam6
Just a question.
 Have you already made a [smaller] working unit producing overunity??  I.E. producing more output energy than input energy consumed and verified that?
 Plus eventually looped it back feeding  itself.
 Regards Arne

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4162 on: December 30, 2016, 07:45:14 PM »
Good luck Sam6!
Shadow

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4163 on: December 31, 2016, 04:34:03 AM »
Sam;
Quote;
"I have not yet built this contraption, and would appreciate suggestions for improvements, corrections, and especially those pointing out mistakes."

I would start from scratch from what you have, following a tad but closer to the patent.

to every one else;

QUOTE;
"I have not yet built this contraption"

Does that answer your question and how did you miss that.

MM

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4164 on: January 02, 2017, 10:58:41 PM »
Sam;
Quote;
"I have not yet built this contraption, and would appreciate suggestions for improvements, corrections, and especially those pointing out mistakes."

I would start from scratch from what you have, following a tad but closer to the patent.

to every one else;

QUOTE;
"I have not yet built this contraption"

Does that answer your question and how did you miss that.

MM

I could not edit so had to repost.

I also would listen and follow Doug as close as you can, very smart person.

MM

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4165 on: January 03, 2017, 11:34:31 PM »
There are two errors in the original posting last week of my preliminary design drawings. The divide by 20 circuit to produce 1200 HZ from a 4046 was wrong. That has been corrected in the attachment.

The frequency output of the first 4046s in the MOSFET driver circuits was stated as 1/1Khz. That range has not been nailed down, but will be on the order of 100:1 rather than 1000:1 and will probably wind up in the range of 3600Hz to 36000Hz. Stay tuned, this sucker is fluid!!

Best wishes for the new year!!
Sam6

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4166 on: January 25, 2017, 12:27:04 PM »

Figuera device: two electromagnets oppossing forces near balance (in unison) moving along the induced coil length.


This post describes how two electromagnets forces are balanced and how the plane of magnetic lines collision is moved depending on the ratio of max/min currents used and the length ratio of inducer/induced coils. In order to achieve a change in the electromagnet force two factor are needed: current change (I) and air path change (x). If air path (R+x for one inducer or R+1+x for the other inducer) is constant then no movement is achieved because the force is then independent of the air path between the poles of the electromagnets and then no relation exists between the forces and the spatial dimension. Note that the electromagnet force equation just takes into consideration the air path between its poles because the air path is the high reluctance step compared to the low reluctance step along the magnetic steel. In fact both electromagnets forces search for balance and find the spatial point "x" where both forces are equal and then move the collision plane to that point "x" as response of the diference of current intensities applied in each electromagnet. The movement along the induced coil is just the response to search for equal forces: F_1 = F_2




At lines movement reversals the near balance forces are then completely balanced in order to provoke the movement reversal ( F1 = F2 ). Being R the length ratio of inducer/induced  ( R = Length_inducer / Length_induced ) , the equation which relates the currents in the electromagnets with the movement along the induced coil length is:


I_1 / (R+x) = I_2 / (R+1-x)


Which at max/min limits (x=0 or x = 1, the geometrical limits of the induced coil) we get:


I_max / I_min  <=  ( R + 1 ) / R


Under the ideal conditions assumed to get this result if the current ratio is higher than that limit, (R+1)/R, then the magnetic lines are moved outside of the induced coil extremes and then induction is stopped. Therefore, as a guideline, the current max/min ratio must be always below that value to guarantee that magnetic lines are always inside the induced coil limits.


If the lengths in inducer and induced are the same (Length ratio, R = 1) then the limit value for current ratio is (R+1)/R = = (1+1)/1 = 2 . If we take as reference the 1908 patent drawing dimensions where inducers are longer than induced coils and aprox. R = 2, then the limit value is (R+1)/R = (2+1)/2= 3/2 = 1.5
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4167 on: February 15, 2017, 10:38:22 AM »
Analyzing the impendance in the whole system with the Ohm´s Law we have that the condition for maximum and minimum current is found when the battery is connected directly to one row of electromagnets and the other path for current has to transverse the regulator and the other row of electromagnets.

Z_regulator : impedance in the regulator ( whether resistance or inductive reactance )

Z_electromagnets: impedance in each row of electromagnets


Maximum current: I_max = Voltage / Z_electromagnet

Minimum current: I_min = Voltage / ( Z_regulator + Z_electromagnets)


Then the achievable ratio of currents is:

I_max / I_min = ( Z_regulator + Z_electromagnets ) / Z_electromagnets


If Z_reg = Z_elec then I_max/I_min = 2

If Z_reg = 2·Z_elec then I_max/I_min = 3

If Z_reg = 4·Z_elec then I_max/I_min = 5

If Z_elec approach to zero then I_max/I_min goes to a very high value. Not good. (Besides when Z_elec tend toward zero then you have very few turns and your electromagnets is very weak)

The impedances in each part should keep a balance. You should match those impedances to the needed value of current ratio that you need according to your geometry (coils length ratio), etc... You may find an spreadsheet attached which is useful to estimates those values.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2017, 01:22:54 PM by hanon »


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4169 on: February 17, 2017, 06:00:39 PM »
Calculating the inductance of a toroid with the typical sizes that we have seen in the pictures the resulting inductance should be between 0.020 H and 0.040 H (assuming 35 turns in the toroid and relative permeability of 4000). Link to calculator: https://www.easycalculation.com/engineering/electrical/toroid-inductance-calculator.php



Being optimistism we can take 0.040 H and an average current to feed the electromagnets around 6 amperes (too optimistic):

E = 1/2·L·I^2 = ....= 0.72 joules

Taking into account that this process is repeated at 50 Hz (50 times each second) then the final energy is 0.72 * 50 = 36 watts !!

Conclusion: the toroid can be great to reduce the heat losses in the resistors, but it can not store big amounts of energy.


Doug: how many turns have your part G or you would like to build? And how many turns and impedance had your coils?. The only way to increse energy stored is with much more turns ( L ~ N^2 ). If you dont have those parts, at least which would be your choice?


Anyhow I do not buy the idea of the energy recycling in the toroid. If the energy were sent back to the toroid then the current would reverse and the system will suffer a polarity reversal, which is a capital sin in this device. Besides, the patents never mention any energy recycling mechanism.


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