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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1171418 times)

Offline seaad

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4155 on: November 21, 2016, 11:06:35 PM »
Hanon, don't be sad / mad , look forward!  We (all) will soon witness how one of the globe's most expensive and most complicated home-built shortcut circuit from MM will perform. I'm sure you are going to smile again.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20619-figuera-device-part-g-continuum-serious-builders-only-4.html
« Last Edit: November 22, 2016, 10:42:29 AM by seaad »

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4156 on: November 22, 2016, 03:29:50 AM »
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you can re-examine G and the few parts it is made up of. As the field from N or S retards power is sent back into G at which time you have to start looking at it from the point of view of an amplifier. Where now you have two sources of input which if combined at the right time increase the output of G to the next increasing inducer. If the core becomes over saturated by ether input its dead. Since the goal is to be self sustained plowing it full of current from ether source from the start is counter productive since as a generator it will produce power over time enough to operate itself and do work.

You seem to believe the inductive discharge from the inducers is sent back to G at which point the input may be added to the energy in translation not unlike many resonant self-oscillating circuits. Fair enough however I fail to see a "mechanism for gain" in this theory as energy is being taken from the system in the induced coils. Not unlike many resonant self-oscillating systems the input can be very small however once a load is applied to the system the load always reflects back to the source. Can you explain why that would not happen in this case?.

I have come to believe one of two things must happen, 1)Energy is not dissipated in the output section as expected for some reason or 2)a mechanism for gain within the system compensates for the energy dissipated in the output for some reason. In either case there should be a valid reason as to why the output does not effect the input as we would normally expect.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4157 on: November 22, 2016, 06:16:07 PM »
@Doug1
You seem to believe the inductive discharge from the inducers is sent back to G at which point the input may be added to the energy in translation not unlike many resonant self-oscillating circuits. Fair enough however I fail to see a "mechanism for gain" in this theory as energy is being taken from the system in the induced coils. Not unlike many resonant self-oscillating systems the input can be very small however once a load is applied to the system the load always reflects back to the source. Can you explain why that would not happen in this case?.

I have come to believe one of two things must happen, 1)Energy is not dissipated in the output section as expected for some reason or 2)a mechanism for gain within the system compensates for the energy dissipated in the output for some reason. In either case there should be a valid reason as to why the output does not effect the input as we would normally expect.

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  Maybe the two possibilities are co dependent. I can assure you energy is not dissipated from the moving field "through" the static windings of the stator section. Other wise it would be a transformer based off of mutual induction. ps i would not use the word discharge because it has been overly abused and it's meaning is diluted which will lead to further confusion and sideways insanity bring about talk of quantum relations and the speed at which Uranus is traveling compared to the universal expansion which caused a static discharge to fly out a fly's ass as he was southward bound in flight across the equator. Nah it's best to keep it as simple as possible. When you use two big words that can have many different meanings too close together shit goes very wrong.

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« Reply #4158 on: November 22, 2016, 09:24:22 PM »
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I can assure you energy is not dissipated from the moving field "through" the static windings of the stator section. Other wise it would be a transformer based off of mutual induction

So you have tested the process in reality and found for a fact that almost no or substantially less energy is lost in the inducing circuit when the field moves through the static windings of the stator section which power a load?.

AC


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4159 on: November 23, 2016, 03:03:20 AM »
AC
Here is your question:
 So you have tested the process in reality and found for a fact that almost no or substantially less energy is lost in the inducing circuit when the field moves through the static windings of the stator section which power a load?.

  Are you pulling my leg?

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« Reply #4159 on: November 23, 2016, 03:03:20 AM »
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« Reply #4160 on: November 23, 2016, 03:34:26 AM »
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Here is your question:
So you have tested the process in reality and found for a fact that almost no or substantially less energy is lost in the inducing circuit when the field moves through the static windings of the stator section which power a load?.

Are you pulling my leg?

No, some are saying they know exactly how it works and they have it all figures out and you said- "I can assure you energy is not dissipated from the moving field "through" the static windings of the stator section". So I think my question is valid, has anyone tested their theory or is all of this simply speculation?.

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« Reply #4161 on: November 23, 2016, 02:22:55 PM »
 Yes

  I think your understanding of how generators work might be flawed.There is no way to know why or how. Text book explanation places a dynamic into a static frame of time and then tries think/talk it's way out of a non existing view coming up with a lot of answers that dont apply because it must be something they consider not important enough have to rewrite everything or somethings may be assumed knowledge or something that will be corrected later if needed by occupation. I dont know.  Im sure you can comprehend the statement you cant get more out then you put in because it is the argument against the notion of OU or even cop 1 or being able to produce something by your self for your own use. It's just a bunch of splitting hairs over word meanings and usage. Do you think you can get more flux out of a given material then current supplied to it to produce the flux. Or can you fill a glass with 4 ounces of water and get 6 ounces out of the 4 that reside in the glass. Those are pretty self evident questions the answer is no. But if you turn the water into steam and use it for work and condensate it back into water a thousand times did you magically turn 4 ounces into 4000? no By the same token the output coil and load circuit are closed loop. Is or how are you placing current into an inducer to make a magnetic field to act up another magnet which is a closed system associated with the second magnet and magically getting the current into the second closed system? No current from the input is consumed in the output because the output is a closed system one exception being a small portion to polarize the second or middle magnet which in a normal genny is residual magnetism started by flashing the unit. Your using a moving magnetic field created with current so you can control it to manipulate another magnetic field set up in the closed output system. lenz tells you the current will be resisted by the field it creates it pushes back against itself sort of. The current isnt pushing both ways the reaction of the current produces a constriction to the passage of current. After you have charged up the field magnet how much does the constriction prevent the current? It's full and no more can be stored in the magnetic field so current goes right by as if all that wire were just a straight wire. As that magnet can be made stronger and weaker at will by raising and lowering the current without the overburden of reversal it can then act on another core and coil which will have all the same lenz only in the second you place another controlled magnet on the opposite side to push the middle enough to flip poles on the one in the middle to produce ac. Lenz keeps these two magnets exerting force from combining with the one in the middle being induced. The one in the middle has a lot more drag on it then the two pushing from the sides. The one in the middle is actually as full of flux as it can be with respect to the resistances of it's loads which make up a closed system. If the statement it returns to where it came from rings a bell and two same magnets cant be in the place rings bell why are you having so much trouble?

 Im going to put the question back on you. How can you get more flux out of the field magnet then you put in to it to produce more output?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4161 on: November 23, 2016, 02:22:55 PM »
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4162 on: November 26, 2016, 08:42:16 PM »
Just to inform any reader of this thread that the many times posted design of the toroid part G by marathonman with one continuous winding and the rotary brush rotating around the whole circunference has been proved to be wrong in EF forum.


Some users has proved that in order to regulate the current to each electromagnet the winding need to avoid been continuous, it need to be splitted and connect each side to one electromagnet, as in any variac, and that the brush need to make contact going back and forth between the connection with the electromagnets, not doing  the whole circle. For more details consult EF.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4163 on: December 22, 2016, 08:20:38 PM »
Doug1?
Since you us sixty hertz for your DC device, I am assuming that you
you convert the DC to AC for usable electricity.
If that is what happens...how does it happen?
Thank you,
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4164 on: December 23, 2016, 01:51:27 AM »
Shadow is that a trick question? Did you phrase it correctly? Clarify. It's a generator not a transformer.

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« Reply #4165 on: December 23, 2016, 04:43:43 PM »
From where shall come the energy/power gain ?

Thinking about a magnetic circuit,included a permanent magnet,we will get a magnetic force amplification !
This magnetic force has to become converted to electric force !
But we would only get for 1x time this amplification,because this we have to use the known "Barkhausen effect"(the magnetic force polarisation change) by pulsation,based by using the wave/frequency/pulse generator !

Flip and flop principle,commutation.

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« Reply #4166 on: December 23, 2016, 07:30:55 PM »
It is a generator, but I don't see that in the process where it
generates AC electricity. It seams to me the output would
be pulsed DC where the voltage starts at or near zero then
increasing to a maximum then decreasing back to the near
zero state.
AC as I know it starts at zero then increases
above zero then decreases below zero the same amount
it goes above zero returning to zero for the completion
of one wave.
???
Thanks,
Shadow


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« Reply #4167 on: December 24, 2016, 01:12:20 AM »
Controlling the generation of magnetic force :

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=US&NR=4757419A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19880712&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#

The present invention provides an apparatus for generating with a relatively small electricity a pulse line of magnetic force, wherein a diode is connected to a switching device, in other words, a controlled rectifier such as thyristor, in reverse parallel, or to a charge and discharge capacitance in parallel to cancel the negative voltage stored in the capacitance so that the peak charge current is suppressed to 1/3, and also so that the quantity of electricity used to charge the capacitance is reduced to 1/2.5, in comparison with those of conventional apparatus.

Compare Figure 2 with Figure 4
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=US&NR=4757419A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19880712&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#

    More particularly, the present invention relates to an apparatus for generating a pulse line of magnetic force, characterized by connecting a diode in parallel to a capacitance or a controlled rectifier which is used to pass the discharge of the capacitance to a coil member for generating the pulse line of magnetic force so as to absorb the negative voltage produced by the series resonance of the capacitance and coil member.

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« Reply #4168 on: December 24, 2016, 03:52:15 PM »
"It is a generator, but I don't see that in the process where it
generates AC electricity. It seams to me the output would
be pulsed DC where the voltage starts at or near zero then
increasing to a maximum then decreasing back to the near
zero state.
AC as I know it starts at zero then increases
above zero then decreases below zero the same amount
it goes above zero returning to zero for the completion
of one wave."

 Then explain a typical IC driven generator and we will see if you can answer your own question. Im not joking.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4169 on: December 25, 2016, 03:46:01 PM »
Generators produce output by two methods (without considering resonance):
by positive feedback and by multiple induction.
There is no other way and everybody stating it is conversion of mechanical energy into current are fooled completely by priests of 200 years old ideology.
Think about it ... why Steven Mark was able to produce substantial output from almost zero input. The same are doing all generators today, while Figuera was a second , more controllable kind but also much more costly.

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