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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1331325 times)

Offline lancaIV

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4125 on: October 20, 2016, 07:09:11 AM »
SORRY FELLAS BUT THIS THREAD IS DEAD THANKS TO LANCA.

MM
Oh yeah, he is soooo reallly Deaed,indeed !
Probably to realize easier good ideas by transforming 2D visions into 3D space-volume devices :
http://www.inpama.com/index.php?content=invention&id=1126


You remeber : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3efV2wqEjEY


Bye-Bye
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4126 on: November 13, 2016, 05:49:24 PM »
An interesting link with many similarities with Figuera's foundation. In that link they talk abouth Bloch Wall disconnection and reconnection as the common denominator in many OU devices. We are talking here with Figuera about moving the Bloch Wall.


http://overunity.com/8227/bloch-wall-disconnect-and-reconnect-the-final-design/









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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4127 on: November 16, 2016, 01:12:11 PM »
Hannon

 The term recycle is a lose terminology. Energy is stored in a conductor in the magnetic field. When the electric field or current is changing to lower value in potential the magnetic field also lowers and induction returns some power back to the circuit from the collapsing magnetic field. Example being when a circuit is lighting up a light bulb but first has to charge up a magnet the time before the bulb lights is the time spent on charging up the magnet so the current can pass through the magnet to reach the bulb with enough potential to cause it to light. There is a measure of time for this to happen provided there is enough power to begin with and not so much that the time is so short you dont even notice the delay. Other conditions excluded from the explanation such as additional forms of resistance in the circuit or the condition of parallel or series of those others.
  Once you get over splitting hairs of word meanings you can re-examine G and the few parts it is made up of. As the field from N or S retards power is sent back into G at which time you have to start looking at it from the point of view of an amplifier. Where now you have two sources of input which if combined at the right time increase the output of G to the next increasing inducer. If the core becomes over saturated by ether input its dead. Since the goal is to be self sustained plowing it full of current from ether source from the start is counter productive since as a generator it will produce power over time enough to operate itself and do work. It needs a short period of time to come up to its operating minimum output. How ells will you know if it is producing anything more then the input to start it if you keep it full from the source and never let it start to do it's thing. That is partially why trying to operate it off ac mains for the source makes no sense. Im sure if you want to see how much money you can waste it could be done but why?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4128 on: November 18, 2016, 08:34:57 AM »
I have always liked the way you explain things. having an imagination then using the information you have given then applying that to the device always helped in understanding it's operation. of course most on this thread have troubles in this area.
glad your bowl of nuts are empty at this time, nice and quiet.

as always, some people are more occupied with other devices then the device in question and has absolutely nothing in common with each other or it's operations. the preoccupation with association is rather rediculas to say the least and only conferms ones nonunderstanding of the device.

always a pleasure Mr Doug.

MM

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4129 on: November 19, 2016, 11:02:54 PM »
Just to post in this forum what I already stated in EF forum. I think the toroid part G is an optimization over the method described in the patent and may excite the electromagnets with lower energy consumption. I just post it here to write it into this forum but I wont go into further discussion.


I have two technicals questions about the toroid as an alleged energy recycling device:


1- How can you allegedly recycle the energy in the toroid and electromagnets back (--->) and forth (<---) through the same only wire without reversing the magnetic polarity in the electromagnets which are filling and emptying through just that only wire?


2- Current always flows toward lower potential sites. If energy is going back and forth between the toroid and the electromagnets then if in one way is flowing toward a lower potential site, the reverse way is flowing toward a higher potential site. All this connected always with the battery at the same time. Is the toroid increasing and decreasing in potential in each half cycle? Impossible in my view.


The toroid will work to regulate the two currents but nor it is mandatory neither it will recycle back and forth the energy. Current in this device always flow in the same direction to keep always the same polarity in the poles of the electromagnets.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4129 on: November 19, 2016, 11:02:54 PM »
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4130 on: November 20, 2016, 03:39:33 AM »
The answer to your question has already been answered but again it is like talking to the wall. face it hanon your not the brightest bulb in the box so explaining is useless.

you don't understand part G and never will. sorry fella part G is the Figuera device and is mandatory and you and your other dim bulb friends will never understand it.

i would suggest you build a device you understand and the Figuera device is not it.

MM

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4131 on: November 20, 2016, 03:33:16 PM »
Hannon

 I think your arguing for arguments sake. Based on the things you've shown that you have on hand to work with you could easily experiment with those items and answer your own questions.   

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4131 on: November 20, 2016, 03:33:16 PM »
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4132 on: November 20, 2016, 07:56:56 PM »
My interest is not going into any dispute, believe me. I just stated in EF that the toroid was not mandatory because it was not described explicitly in the patent. I just try to keep things as the patent says. Sadly I can not test many things because as I said time ago I do not have a workshop and all the HQ measurement equipment, scope, was borrowed just for a few weeks , in february or march if I remember fine to do a set of different tests which FYI were unsuccessful, and now it is not on my hands, and the variac was borrowed too during a week this last summer.


Thanks for your reply

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4133 on: November 20, 2016, 09:00:51 PM »
Then follow the purely resistive method, not sure where your going to find German silver wire. I doubt the patent used modern nicrome wire.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4134 on: November 20, 2016, 09:19:58 PM »
Come to think of it if you still have coils and a battery and some wire you could still do a lot of it test wise by ether using the individual battery cells in succession or using light bulbs to control the resistance turning the bulbs into a current controller. Then just use single sheet of a trafo like the "I" section to detect the field and if need be borrow a dimm for a while or ask around for one that is partly broken but still functions to read volts. Or make an antique version to measure change of balance. All the things that made this world possible didnt start out in a poof from radio shack.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4135 on: November 20, 2016, 11:56:42 PM »
Doug;

 You already know if it is not written in crayola crayon he won't understand it.

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"My interest is not going into any dispute, believe me. I just stated in EF that the toroid was not mandatory because it was not described explicitly in the patent."

explicitly means at the comprehension level of a fifth grader and written in crayola crayon. this device is way beyond his level and is a complete waste of your breath. it is written in the patent your just to ignorant to put it together.

we all know hanon can't comprehend long words or any abstract out of the box thinking so why waste your time. it is like trying to teach a turtle to run....... WHY ?

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 "I think your arguing for arguments sake."

entirely correct as his track record can attest to that.


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« Reply #4136 on: November 21, 2016, 09:35:44 PM »
Doug;

 You already know if it is not written in crayola crayon he won't understand it.

Quote;
"My interest is not going into any dispute, believe me. I just stated in EF that the toroid was not mandatory because it was not described explicitly in the patent."

explicitly means at the comprehension level of a fifth grader and written in crayola crayon. this device is way beyond his level and is a complete waste of your breath. it is written in the patent your just to ignorant to put it together.

we all know hanon can't comprehend long words or any abstract out of the box thinking so why waste your time. it is like trying to teach a turtle to run....... WHY ?

Quote;
 "I think your arguing for arguments sake."

entirely correct as his track record can attest to that.


MM


Each time you insult me I will go to the thread started by you in EF to show some facts.


See you later there!


You should be very grateful to Doug because he taught all you know about Figuera . If not you would be still an ignorant guy. Sadly he can not fix your unbalanced brain. I feel sorry for you. Really.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4137 on: November 21, 2016, 11:06:35 PM »
Hanon, don't be sad / mad , look forward!  We (all) will soon witness how one of the globe's most expensive and most complicated home-built shortcut circuit from MM will perform. I'm sure you are going to smile again.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20619-figuera-device-part-g-continuum-serious-builders-only-4.html
« Last Edit: November 22, 2016, 10:42:29 AM by seaad »

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« Reply #4138 on: November 22, 2016, 03:29:50 AM »
@Doug1
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you can re-examine G and the few parts it is made up of. As the field from N or S retards power is sent back into G at which time you have to start looking at it from the point of view of an amplifier. Where now you have two sources of input which if combined at the right time increase the output of G to the next increasing inducer. If the core becomes over saturated by ether input its dead. Since the goal is to be self sustained plowing it full of current from ether source from the start is counter productive since as a generator it will produce power over time enough to operate itself and do work.

You seem to believe the inductive discharge from the inducers is sent back to G at which point the input may be added to the energy in translation not unlike many resonant self-oscillating circuits. Fair enough however I fail to see a "mechanism for gain" in this theory as energy is being taken from the system in the induced coils. Not unlike many resonant self-oscillating systems the input can be very small however once a load is applied to the system the load always reflects back to the source. Can you explain why that would not happen in this case?.

I have come to believe one of two things must happen, 1)Energy is not dissipated in the output section as expected for some reason or 2)a mechanism for gain within the system compensates for the energy dissipated in the output for some reason. In either case there should be a valid reason as to why the output does not effect the input as we would normally expect.

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« Reply #4139 on: November 22, 2016, 06:16:07 PM »
@Doug1
You seem to believe the inductive discharge from the inducers is sent back to G at which point the input may be added to the energy in translation not unlike many resonant self-oscillating circuits. Fair enough however I fail to see a "mechanism for gain" in this theory as energy is being taken from the system in the induced coils. Not unlike many resonant self-oscillating systems the input can be very small however once a load is applied to the system the load always reflects back to the source. Can you explain why that would not happen in this case?.

I have come to believe one of two things must happen, 1)Energy is not dissipated in the output section as expected for some reason or 2)a mechanism for gain within the system compensates for the energy dissipated in the output for some reason. In either case there should be a valid reason as to why the output does not effect the input as we would normally expect.

AC
  Maybe the two possibilities are co dependent. I can assure you energy is not dissipated from the moving field "through" the static windings of the stator section. Other wise it would be a transformer based off of mutual induction. ps i would not use the word discharge because it has been overly abused and it's meaning is diluted which will lead to further confusion and sideways insanity bring about talk of quantum relations and the speed at which Uranus is traveling compared to the universal expansion which caused a static discharge to fly out a fly's ass as he was southward bound in flight across the equator. Nah it's best to keep it as simple as possible. When you use two big words that can have many different meanings too close together shit goes very wrong.

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