Hanon:

Then Probably I'm wrong but ended up with a different AC devices that produces good results. Let us leave that aside.

We built a commutator that is exactly as specified in the 1908 patent using a student. It creates sparks and so we needed to make it touch 3 contacts If it touches 2 cntacts at any time it ends up touching 3 contacts part of the time or just one contact part of the time when sparking comes. I have a person experienced in DC motors and he says DC motor armature has a commutator that is diffferent but it has a long life.

From what you and Doug 1 tell me I had not understood the patent properly but ended up building a device that is totally different..

Now can you and Dough1 confirm the following thoughts in my mind..

1. A battery powered the initial input or a bank of batteries.

2. The current drawn was wasted or reduced in the resistor array which then send it to the N magnets and S magnets. This is where my confusion starts.

For example the connection shows as follows. If N1 is strong S1 is weak but at the same time N2 is weak and S2 is strong. I think this is what that circuit shows. But I'm not clear about it. I'm very weak in understanding circuits.  But what I felt is that this is not needed and so I went with AC as I focussed on the principle of operation and not on the exact replication of the device.

While I can probably get an ordinary commuattor getting a special commutator with a long life customized tor several years of operation is not easy. I tried the patent exactly as shown and the commutor broke again and again. I have also determined that the straight pole method is the best one and it is the last patent shown by BuForn.

My apologies if my comments that Figuera tried to misdirect the competitors has hurt any one. This is normally employed in patent drafting. This can be done by a Patent Attorney only after he gets a lot of experience and so I went with my own thoughts.

The one strong point about me that I take action. I simply do not speak or argue. My understanding is that the resistors are only coils of 1 sq mm wires wound on air core tubes. Nothing more. But the input for the N magnets is at the top or bottom and the S magnets at the reverse end. This project has moving parts. I do not have the money to invest here this time. It remained a secret for more than 107 years. Let me take some more time and then try to solve the mystery.

Regarding the COP>8 device or higher COP device it will have to be replicated by others first and then mistakes rectified and then we will give my prototype to the Hight Voltage laboratory. it is not easy to build coils of this type and it takes man hours and it costs money to me.

Let me see how I can redo it. I do not like the 21 module device. I would rather prefer the 11 module device because it is smaller and easier to construct and it has 5 secondaries. But not immediately. No funds.

Ramaswami,
Answering your queations: I do not know if Figuera used a battery or and array of batteries to power his device. The only data we know is that in one Buforn patent he stated that used 100 volts and 1 ampere as input to the machine. In the 1908 patent is true that sending current to the resistors is wasteful, But it seems required to do it in order to get the commutator output signals required. Figuera did not figure out another way in his days to get those two opposite signals. And last, in the 1908 patent while N1 to N2 are strong, S1 to S7 are weak. Later, when N1 to N7 are weak, S1 to S7 are strong. This is also clerly explained in the patent text. You have severe misunderstandings of that patent. I would encourage you to ask for technical advice for new eyes into the patent. You are already biased and see electromagnets sequences not included in the patent, as well as your view of the commutator which is either right

Hanon:

I must apologize that at the moment I have no funds to replicate the Figuera device. My technical expertise as is known is limited. I have spent a lot of money already and actually I'm struggling to complete the two different designs I have built. I will do this 1908 Figuera design when I have funds. I have big difficulty understanding circuits as I openly admit. I was also under the impression that N1 to N7 progressively gets stronger and S7 to S1 progressively gets weaker or vice versa. But the circuits are confusing. And as you yourself say if the input was 100 volts and 1 amp the resistor array would waste current and that is what made me feel that the resistor array and commutator are diversionary tactics which is normal in patent drafting to misdirect competitors. I have no bias and I apologize for that impression conveyed. This device requires about 200 kgms of Iron for using AC and would need 800 kgms to 1000 kgms if we pulsed DC to avoid saturation. Possibly that the reason why the 21 cores are shown. But it is both difficult to get soft iron and very expensive even here to get soft iron.

Let me complete what I have here and then let me replicate this device if funds permit. I thank you very much for at least agreeing in part that the AC device uses the principles of the 30378 device. Frankly I do not think so and the device design is based on misinterpretation of the 1908 patent but uses the design of the 1908 patent. So I have kind of taken things from here and put it there and it kind of worked and I have to check how to ensure that all voltages from five different secondaries merge when on variable load and not on a fixed load. To me it seems that the best way is to use phase correction capacitors and then convert to DC and charge a bank of batteries a fixed load and then invert from DC to AC. All this requires significant expenses at my end. Let me first complete it and then come back. For a 12000 watts unit this requires a lot of batteries and custom built inverter etc etc and it is not clear if all this would when combined work as anticipated.  And it is another question assuming that they all do whether they can keep running the device in a self sustaining way. At the moment We stand at where we stood in 2013. Build the device, replicate it and understand the principle, and then give it to earth.  R&D is not easy and especially if one were to use his own funds and borrow and return to friends to do R&D..This is all I can demonstrate to the High voltage lab also and they have other facilities to test and see fixed load variable load and conversion to DC and charging of batteries and then inverting. IIT Madras estimates that the losses involved in conversion of AC to DC and then again DC to AC and then losses at the consuming AC unit to be 50% of the originally generated AC output. So after all these losses whether the Unit can self run is another question. Ultimately they may declare that it is not a cop>8 design but after all these losses are taken to account it may well be around COP>2 only. Any way some contribution from a person without technical background and dedication and commitment to spend own money and demonstrate a working device and put it up in public domain for all people throughout the world to use.

Today Figuers Patent would be refused if you apply for it. Both EPO and USPTO and other patent offices refuse to grant patent to any device that claims more output than input. Only some exceptions can be shown to this general attitude. This is one more reason why I put the device in to the public domain.

Let me focus on work rather than posting here..

Sorry I was not able to get back right away. Tending an injured horse that needed round the clock monitoring. Trading off with family members so we could also work and get a couple hours of sleep. Any way the resisters are set up so the current has a better or poorer path.There is always a path. when in combination with two paths the total always equals the full current that one coil can use before ohms law limits it. It's just directing where the quantity goes very rapid.  Im really tired and have to grab an hour of sleep before I hurl. I dont need sympathy I need sleep.

TruthHunter:

The concept is so simple and you do not need to follow me every step to replicate.

If you have a 12 volt 16 amps transformer about three to five layers of that on P1 and p2 can act as primary.

The secondary must have 7 layers under S1, seven layers in S2, 2 layers in S3, 2 layers in S4 and 7 layers in S5.

connect like this. S1-S3-S5-S2-S4 and that will simplify the connections and use either single wire if possible. Wire should be insulated wire and we have stressed that or you need to put space between enamalled magnet wire and mild plastic sheet between layers..Do not understand where you got that idea of removing insulation..Just plain wrong.

If you do not have adequate wires use only S1-S5-S2 in that case use 9 layers on S1 and 9 layers on S2 and 7 layers on S5. As far as possible use thicker wires in secondary than in primary.

The problem with this approach is that Iron can get heated unless you have big mass of iron. We use both big mass and multifilar coils to increase the magnetic waves and reduce the primary input. Multiple magnetic waves going one after another is like sending high frequency current. Small small chunks but lot of them that creates a lot of waves that support each other. I made two small cores for a table top design I promised but I have a big problem. Lost a major case and have to prepare the appeal and so I will not be answering or posting here for some time. I have to make a living. And losing a case is a bad thing. Please use the opposite poles of the primary magnets and place the middle coil to be lenz free. I believe with just a single transformer and by using a 6 inch dia plastic tubes as Primaries and 2 inch dia tube as central secondary by winding on all three you should be able to see COP>1 easily.

Actually that is a very efficient design but unfortunately it has five secondaries and four of them suffer from Lenz law effect. The two secondaries one below the primary and one above reduce the backemf but Lenz law effect is there.  While you can see the central coil functioning properly I do not know if the voltages of all five coils would join..(for me some times they do and some times they don't and I don't understand why they would not join. If you want to create a COP>1 design I would recommend that you look at Buforn last patent and use the central cores alone and replicate that. The straight pole as we have seen is the most efficient one. Many such small poles would be needed. Secondary wire must be thicker, longer, have more turns than the primary wire. Please do not forget that and do not assume wrong things like removing insulation with great effort.

You must use insulated wire and do not remove the insulation. Read the patent and the pdf again please before you waste your time and money.

Wish you all success.

Randy:

I agree that there is no mention of what type of coiling arrangement Figuera used. He has said simply Properly to describe how the coils are wound. That was very confusing. And Hanon has insisted to me that the input was 100 volts and 1 amps and output was 20000 watts. So I tried to reduce the input and what are the methods possible for doing that and accidentally stumbled across that multifilar method.

How did you get to the Number 24 when the patent says that it shows only 8 electromagnets..Please see..

be granted final patent of invention for this generator
whose form and arrangement are shown in the attached drawings, warning that,
in them, and for clarity are sketched only eight electromagnets, or two sets of
four excitatory electromagnets in each, and the induced circuit is marked by a
thick line of reddish ink, being this way the general arrangement of the
appliance, but meaning that you can put more or less electromagnets and in
another form or grouping

I'm afraid that your understanding of the patents may not be accurate. But how do I know either? It is a guess really in so far as these devices are concerned. It is not clear why the resistor array is there and what it is doing if the amp is just 1 amp and the voltage is 100 volts for the primary. Why send two signals in opposite directions. That is not clear to me. Circuit is also confusing to me to this very day.

The 376 patent is the one where the coils rotated within fixed magnetic cores and that was the machine which made Figuera very famous. It was the machine that ran on its own and converted static electricity from air in to useable electricity as reported in papers. I have studied it and it is not rectangle in shape.  I have even planned to have it built and then avoided it for funding constraints. If some mechanical engineer with facilities were to try it can be built. May not cost much really. The same idea was stated by Tesla in 1889 in his Dynamo Electric Machine Homopolar generator patent. But Tesla being Tesla, avoided the part of self sustaining and indicated it in only one line of the patent text. Both the 376 and the Tesla patent are employing the same principles but in different designs.

There appears to have been two groups of academics one emphasising using Lenz law obeying equipments alone so that the repeated demand and orders will keep coming and one providing a complete one step solution for a long time and no repeat order and make power anywhere in the world. Figuera appear to belong to the later group and I find that there is not even a mention of the exception to the Lenz law rules. I find that every thing is based on Lenz law which is the electrical equivalent of for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Naturally commercial sense won. So we do not not know about this part of the science. Not knowing any thing I want to study that part first.

Nothing to be sorry here.. We all share and split our hair here. In view of my experiments I can say with confidence only one thing. That Properly word in the patent is the key to understand and replicate his patent and who knows it?

Rams,
If you look at the Alliance dead on it would seem to be just one... but when drawn on its side the perspective changes a lot.

Also...there's 8 rows ( for lack of a better word ) and if each row had eight  N Y S configurations on it times 5 on the Alliance ( 7 times on the Figuera )... One pulse of 100 volts at 1 amp IMHO would achieve a lot of emf s when it finally reached its final destination.

Hence... the 100 volts 1 amp = 12 volts 8.33333333333333333333333333333333 amps  :-) is well with in the possibilities of the BDX53 along with a few Led s to amaze the onlookers....

Lastly... I think the Clemente & Bujorn team knew the problems Tesla had with Macaroni using His patents and hid or confused their patents abit...


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