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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 11808291 times)

itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18270 on: October 17, 2017, 05:12:19 PM »
TK,

i did ask that same question then myself here:
http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg475064/#msg475064

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But for my understanding, your grey area is not really our problem, the problem is the light blue area where the MOSFET is already on while its gate is off.
Do i understand correctly that the fact that yellow MOSFET is on (light blue area) is caused by the grey area effect caused by the other MOSFET?

Again, for an answer, you need to follow that discussion, i was happy with the answer provided by verpies in this specific push / pull situation.

Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18271 on: October 17, 2017, 05:15:09 PM »
That's as may be.... I can perhaps understand how the Drain voltage or current could _lag behind_ the Gate signal, but how in the world does any mosfet know to turn ON _before_ the gate signal rises above the threshold voltage? Is it predicting the future?
Drain voltage -- that is, the voltage drop across the Drain-Source -- goes low when the Gate charge has risen to and goes above the Miller plateau. The scopeshot above shows the Drain voltage going low well _before_ the Gate charge even begins to rise. How can this be?
Hi in this thread any thing is possible, and it's not like Verpies to make an error, but you can get another type of MosFet a depletion mode http://www.aldinc.com/pdf/IntroDepletionModeMOSFET.pdf
try playing with them ;) 

On the other hand is the other Fet doing a OR gate thing trough the center tap winding ?

AG

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18272 on: October 18, 2017, 08:44:47 PM »
May pushpull transistors also not hot on resonance or on small current without snubbers. Or maybe your transistors is fake from aliexpess maybe?


  How about at resonance with a higher current and several hundred watt loads?
  The FETs stay cool with no snubbers on??? 
   Maybe you can make a short video also showing the bulbs being lit up, and some scope shots.

   I'm interested in using no snubbers also, but, I still don't understand how Stalker can do so, while showing drain voltages over 250v, at 41to 45% duty cycle. And wth NO snubbers on. How does he do it?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18273 on: October 19, 2017, 02:42:23 AM »

hi,
hire is my video
pushpullstalkernotgethot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk0-rdlupxA&feature=youtu.be


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18274 on: October 19, 2017, 10:09:33 AM »
hi,
hire is my video
pushpullstalkernotgethot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk0-rdlupxA&feature=youtu.be


Absolutely stunning !Explain how you were able to have puresharp square wave input to mosfet gate when the output is loaded ! This is very important.

Hoppy

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18275 on: October 19, 2017, 11:09:30 AM »

Absolutely stunning !Explain how you were able to have puresharp square wave input to mosfet gate when the output is loaded ! This is very important.

I would say, supply rail decoupling with his big cap close to centre tapped yoke primary plus good control over delay. Its refreshing to see an experimenter showing both current, voltage and scope readings in a video. He also demonstates how the lamp brightness is limited, irrespective of bulb power rating or primary power supply sourced current and governed by the maximum power available to the load when the 3-turn yoke circuit is in series resonance with the load. Excellent video Soliman.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18276 on: October 19, 2017, 12:38:26 PM »
hi,
hire is my video
pushpullstalkernotgethot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk0-rdlupxA&feature=youtu.be

Nice push-pull demo :)
In addition to control of duty cycle you can try add additional delay chip for each channel. Then tune down duty cycle of each channel to be less than 20% and align it to series resonance. Then you can play with Tesla coil and try to mix that adjustable power on the yoke wih the Tesla coil output. Then see if you can achieve frequency mixing in same fasion as GeoFusion did... ;)
The amount of power going to the series resonance directly relates with the electric field power coming from the Tesla coil in order to achieve effect.

Cheers!

itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18277 on: October 19, 2017, 04:19:52 PM »
Soliman,

i agree with the above comments, a nice and clear video,   well done!


I do notice some things like your high resonance frequency (gate signals show 28Khz), so are you sure you are at resonance?
Normally with a 20m long like inductor coil in series with a 0.47uF cap it should resonate around 15KHz.

Also the duty cycle shows >48% which is more then the TL494 can provide, so probably the delay chips are doing this?

But i still do see both a 300Vpp spike followed by ringing, without the snubbers, but this spike seems very narrow, so it won't heat up the MOSFETs,
but they could damage them (IRFP260N = 200V) eventually i think.

When connecting the snubber diode at one side, you nicely see the spike / ringing being halfed (top part suppressed).

Attached the Stalker circuit used (i think).
 
Thanks,   itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18278 on: October 19, 2017, 05:48:34 PM »
   Soliman:
   Thanks for showing your device and making the interesting video.
 
    However, as you are NOT connecting the 28t yoke coil to the 168t coil on the grenade, and you are just running from the 3t coil, your output is very low. And, therefore you can barely glow the 2 200w bulbs. Also your wattage at the output must also be  very low. So, perhaps that is why your Fets don't get hot.
   
   So, what happens when you turn on the Kacher??? Do you have any additional light at the bulbs.  NO?
That probably means that you are not in resonance, and every time you change the bulbs, the resonant point changes and needs to be readjusted. Or not?

    To make it a comparable test to how the circuits that we are building work, it would be good to have the connections the same as how we have it,(28t coil). Showing some scope shots of what happens when the 28t coil is also connected, and the Kacher is ON.
   By reducing the duty cycle you are also reducing your output at the load. And, I doubt that the system would self run, with that low an output.

    Below, is a picture of your bulbs, and a picture of your voltages. Showing the low voltage output, and low lumin levels of the 2 200w bulbs.
   You may have 300v showing on the scope at times, like Itsu mentioned, but there is very low current going through your system as seen at the output. So, that may be the reason why your Fets don't get hot... I think.
 
   Below is the Stalker TL494 and the 4420 driver circuit that I'm using. It is a more recent circuit, and much simpler as well.
Notice there are no snubbers. And he uses IRF3205 mosfets, with lower resistance, than the IRFP240N.
 I replicated that circuit, but my fets, (IRF240, or snubbers) do get hot.
   The snubbers circuits that I've tried on so far, are having their resistors getting too hot, also. 
   So, I'm building the non dissipative snubber circuit next, as there are NO resistors to get hot.
  We'll see it goes...

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18279 on: October 20, 2017, 12:48:31 AM »







the photo above is correct. and refers to the stalker circuit.
I want to show you this other photo.
as you can see the photo above represents the gates mosfet
the one below represents pins 9 and 10 of the TL494
this means that the delay system has control over the mosfet to work at the right point.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18280 on: October 20, 2017, 12:53:19 AM »

this is de correct circuit.
I am sorry

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18281 on: October 20, 2017, 05:56:27 AM »
    Itsu, and All:
   I've started on the non dissapative snubber circuit. Picture below.
   I hand wound these two chokes, but I'm not sure how they'll work out yet.
   The yellow caps are 0.1uf. And all four diodes are the 15A MUR1530.
   I'll be connecting it all up tomorrow, and testing the results.
   I did also keep the blue 2000v caps on my RC snubber, between drain and source, but without any snubber resistors.

 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18282 on: October 20, 2017, 10:24:22 AM »

Soliman,

thanks for the screenshots, it shows that the TL494 outputs a (max.) 43% duty cycle signal as expected and that the TC4093 chip is able to
crank up (delay) the duty cycle till almost 50%.
Be aware that any further setting will cause the both MOSFETs to be active at the same time causing very high current to flow.

It could be that this higher duty cycle has some influence (smaller) on the created spike.

I do notice your scope is set to AC coupling causing the signals to be "offset" to the middle.

Also now the frequency is 16.5Khz which is more as to be expected for series resonance of the LC circuit.

Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18283 on: October 20, 2017, 10:27:20 AM »

Nick,

looking good and neat, i have no idea what the chokes value will be, but we will see how it turns out.


Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18284 on: October 20, 2017, 01:33:51 PM »
Soliman,

It could be that this higher duty cycle has some influence (smaller) on the created spike.

Itsu

Yes, this may be the case and could be important both for spike reduction and correct switching to meet self-running requirements , thus the extra circuitry employed. I'm dubious about the real need for power hungry snubbing, given that Stalker's circuit shows none. He does however show fast protection diodes to compliment mosfet body diodes.