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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 11718165 times)

Jeg

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« Reply #10710 on: October 06, 2015, 06:37:53 AM »

In that post i show a screenshot of the sweeping i did (1.290Mhz resonance peak) a video of this new Grenade and the following info:

Regards Itsu

Great info and presentation Itsu!! I will re wound my grenade according to your specifications. I wonder while you were implementing TK's battery triggering method if you had in place the inductor line, and if this inductor line was a close circuit or an open circuit while measuring.

Thanks

ps. At the end, the supposed 1/4 response wave seems to be a myth. I also never found it among all my grenade builds.

John.K1

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« Reply #10711 on: October 06, 2015, 11:09:36 AM »
Hi Lost-Bro.

You say "The schematic for the hardware hack of the AD9850dds (chinese pcb) is in the DSO file." 

Where is the DSO file please?   Thank you very much.

Regards,

itsu

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« Reply #10712 on: October 06, 2015, 11:33:43 AM »
Nick, Jeg,

the grenade coil was made about one year ago according to CCW, CW, CW and only "referenced" in the above post #10711 in bold.
Only yesterday i have changed the layers 5/6 to be CCW, so now the sequency is CCW, CW, CCW.

It induced some extra resonance points and the inductance went down from 168uH to 122uH.

No idea if this is good or bad.

I was using the grenade with the (bifilar) inductor coil fitted, but left open.

Nick, look with your FG in "square wave" mode and check the scope for a "sine wave" like result, this will indicate a (subharmonic) resonance situation.
It will need some practice to interpret the results.

Regards Itsu


Jeg

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« Reply #10713 on: October 06, 2015, 11:36:08 AM »
Nick, Jeg,

the grenade coil was made about one year ago according to CCW, CW, CW and only "referenced" in the above post #10711 in bold.

I was using the grenade with the (bifilar) inductor coil fitted, but left open.


Thanks for the clarification even you were very cleared. If you have time. repeat the process with closed inductor circuit. This is because when you put your inductor in action it will be behaved like a closed circuit and not open. Having it open while searching for resonant frequencies, affects your grenade only capacitively. If you close it, its inductance comes in to the game and resonant points are different. 

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« Reply #10714 on: October 06, 2015, 12:43:13 PM »
Thanks for the clarification even you were very cleared. If you have time. repeat the process with closed inductor circuit. This is because when you put your inductor in action it will be behaved like a closed circuit and not open. Having it open while searching for resonant frequencies, affects your grenade only capacitively. If you close it, its inductance comes in to the game and resonant points are different.

Yes, an important consideration given the following sentence from T1000's conference notes: "The frequencies must be tightly matching and any +/- 100khz differences outside of harmonics between Tesla and grenade coils will make system non-functioning." As the induction coil has mutual inductive coupling to the grenade coil, should we be measuring the natural resonant frequency of the grenade coil in isolation or when coupled to a loaded induction coil with yoke and capacitor?

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« Reply #10715 on: October 06, 2015, 01:17:30 PM »
....when coupled to a loaded induction coil with yoke and capacitor...

Hi Hoppy
This is the most appropriate. Especially for those who connect grenade in series with the 28T yoke secondary. Its length will contribute to a new resonant point than when grenade is isolated. The same with inductor line. Has to be on place because it is also in series with the 3T sec. The same with ground if it is in series with grenade. In every case wavelength is changing as the cable length itself changes.
There are some ways to isolate a coil (always in terms of wavelength), by adding caps or diodes at each ends. This way you can measure your coil for resonant points isolated of the rest of the circuitry (and closed circuit), because it is also isolated while working. I hope you understand my poor description.   

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« Reply #10716 on: October 06, 2015, 01:54:23 PM »
Hi Hoppy
This is the most appropriate. Especially for those who connect grenade in series with the 28T yoke secondary. Its length will contribute to a new resonant point than when grenade is isolated. The same with inductor line. Has to be on place because it is also in series with the 3T sec. The same with ground if it is in series with grenade. In every case wavelength is changing as the cable length itself changes.
There are some ways to isolate a coil (always in terms of wavelength), by adding caps or diodes at each ends. This way you can measure your coil for resonant points isolated of the rest of the circuitry (and closed circuit), because it is also isolated while working. I hope you understand my poor description.

Jeg,

Yes, I read you loud and clear. This is why I'm waiting (probably in vain) for a detailed tuning procedure before I attempt a new build. I'm not prepared to frig about wasting time and money on a new build based on guesses.

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« Reply #10717 on: October 06, 2015, 02:16:48 PM »
Dog-one, guys,

Just a question. I am not much good in electronics, so my question is this:

On the picture below I show some components I can use to drive some pulses. Dog, you say you use the DC-DC conv. and amplifier?  Would the both on my picture do (my dc-dc is up to 45 V I think and the amplifier 12-18V 2A ??  Can you show very simple schematic of your setup?  Also on my other picture I have my made push-pull made of of-shelf 555 signal generator and the frequency divider running the mosfets. My design has not any other protection of the mosfet. The one I have seen looks a bit advanced- do I realy need it?. I have only the neon bulb between the drain and source. I was running it and it worked fine. Mosfets get hot by time without cooler, but still works.
Thank you for advice.

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« Reply #10718 on: October 06, 2015, 02:23:40 PM »
Dog-one, guys,

Just a question. I am not much good in electronics, so my question is this:

On the picture below I show some components I can use to drive some pulses. Dog, you say you use the DC-DC conv. and amplifier?  Would the both on my picture do (my dc-dc is up to 45 V I think and the amplifier 12-18V 2A ??  Can you show very simple schematic of your setup?  Also on my other picture I have my made push-pull made of of-shelf 555 signal generator and the frequency divider running the mosfets. My design has not any other protection of the mosfet. The one I have seen looks a bit advanced- do I realy need it?. I have only the neon bulb between the drain and source. I was running it and it worked fine. Mosfets get hot by time without cooler, but still works.
Thank you for advice.

John,

If you intend to drive the yoke device, then you will need to employ protection for the mosfets and other parts of the control circuitry.

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« Reply #10719 on: October 06, 2015, 03:34:04 PM »
Dog-one, guys,

Just a question. I am not much good in electronics, so my question is this:

On the picture below I show some components I can use to drive some pulses. Dog, you say you use the DC-DC conv. and amplifier?  Would the both on my picture do (my dc-dc is up to 45 V I think and the amplifier 12-18V 2A ??  Can you show very simple schematic of your setup?  Also on my other picture I have my made push-pull made of of-shelf 555 signal generator and the frequency divider running the mosfets. My design has not any other protection of the mosfet. The one I have seen looks a bit advanced- do I realy need it?. I have only the neon bulb between the drain and source. I was running it and it worked fine. Mosfets get hot by time without cooler, but still works.
Thank you for advice.

Dogone:
 Take a look at the VO3120 opto-fet driver.
Have a good Day.
br549

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« Reply #10720 on: October 06, 2015, 06:36:44 PM »
  Itsu, TK:
  Here are my best grenade resonance frequency scope shots. Using channel 1, and my new 10x scope probe, 1x magnification.
  This is with a two turns coil wound over the grenade coil, and the scope probe on the grenade output.
  I believe it to be 550khz, but, again that may be wrong.
  I get 1.1div times .5us= 0.55us.  If I use the easier for me to use Calc tool that Itsu suggested, and place 0.55us,  I get 550khz. Correct?
  Sorry, but I couldn't rotate these images, I tried. Maybe you can rotate them yourselves.

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« Reply #10721 on: October 06, 2015, 07:19:43 PM »
Hi br549

I have used some optocouples like TLP250 & TLP 350  in some of my devices. I will take a look at your sugested VO3120.  What I do not like about optocouples, is their limited frequency propagation (speed) and in higher frequencies its signal distortion .

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« Reply #10722 on: October 06, 2015, 07:33:47 PM »
Nick,

i see:

7.4 cycles in (8 x 0.5 microseconds) = 7.4/(8 x 0.0000005) = 1850000Hz = 1.85MHz


When you see 0.55us between two peaks and you put that into the calculator you get 1818Khz = 1.818Mhz,  not 550Khz.

So it seems to have a resonance peak around 1.8Mhz.

Regards Itsu
« Last Edit: October 06, 2015, 09:49:46 PM by itsu »

John.K1

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« Reply #10723 on: October 06, 2015, 07:34:50 PM »
Hi Nick,

Was it you saying you need some SG before? I have just right now bought a new one for me ,and I think you might like it too. It is two channel - 10MHz - sweep function for around €60. But for you important think- it has also frequency counter (up to 60MHZ?) . I have never use it as my scope shows the frequency, but maybe it works fine  and does a job ;)

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/10MHz-Dual-Channel-DDS-Function-Signal-Generator-Sine-Square-Wave-Sweep-Counter-/400787386556?hash=item5d50ca30bc

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« Reply #10724 on: October 06, 2015, 10:00:35 PM »
  John.K1:
  Yes, I've seen those units also. Not a bad price. Let us know how it goes with that.

  I wonder if something like this (below) would work also, for up to 8Mhz, and it also has a lcd read out panel to see the frequency on.
$12, free delivery.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-DDS-Function-DDS-Signal-Generator-Module-Sine-Triangle-Square-Wave-/181860090483?tfrom=181890273714&tpos=top&ttype=price&talgo=undefined

 
   Itsu: Ok I see where I made the error. I used the Calc tool set to the upper us setting ,  the lower us setting gave me the same as what you posted. So, 1.8Mhz it is. That is also about what it gave me on the SG reading this time, as the dial was not all the way to the 2Mhz position. And that was the best frequency that was obtained. Probably a harmonic, as you mentioned. 
  So, what's the next, any ideas. Should I tune my Kacher to 1.8Mhz now, or not???