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Hoppy · « **Reply #18780 on:** December 22, 2017, 05:43:40 PM »

Quote from: NickZ on December 22, 2017, 03:48:09 PM

Anyways, what I had asked T-1000, was about the specific details to look for and tune to, to be able to find the interaction between HV and the LV, which can lead to OU. The little secrets that we are NOT being told about.

Nick,

You wrote in an earlier post that you don't subscribe to a device running OU, only a self running device. You drew a distinction between the two.

AlienGrey · « **Reply #18781 on:** December 22, 2017, 07:17:59 PM »

Quote from: Void on December 22, 2017, 05:12:58 PM

Hi Nick. I already commented on that. Read my reply to Jeg again. (just kidding)
I expressed my understanding of what Tesla appears to have been referring to there (instantaneous power).
I could be wrong, but that is what Tesla appears to be referring to.

For example, in that same document, there is also this:
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Counsel
What I wanted to get at was, did that depend upon the suddenness of the discharge?
Tesla
Yes. It is merely the electrical analogue of a pile driver or a hammer. You accumulate energy through a long distance and then you deliver it with a tremendous suddenness. The distance through which the mass moves is small—the pressure immense.
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So, Tesla compares it to a pile driver, with the accumulation of energy through a long distance being
analogous to charging up a capacitor over a period time and then releasing it in a sudden impulse where
a very high instantaneous power can be achieved. There is of course a big difference between instantaneous
power and average power. This is what Tesla appears to be describing, as best as I can tell.

Also, as we have discussed in the past, I think if you look into it, you will find that
many things that have been claimed about Tesla can't actually be traced back to Tesla's
actual writings. For example Peter Lindemann claimed a number of things about Tesla
but did not provide references to where Tesla actually said some of those things that Lindemann
was claiming. If someone can point me to actual statements (original documents/transcriptions) from Tesla
himself where Tesla talks about deriving useful energy from the aether or similar I would be very interested to see it.

Also, as I have mentioned here previously, people have very much corrupted Tesla's actual concept of 'radiant energy'
and make all sorts of claims about it that Tesla does not appear to ever actually said. I have read Tesla's patent where Tesla
describes quite clearly what he meant by 'radiant energy', and it is quite different than what many people
claim on the net. I have posted details about this in this thread in the past. Anyway, I know from experience that pointing
out things like that makes little difference. The unsupported claims will continue to be repeated over and over.

This all doesn't matter much anyway I think for the purposes of this thread. What I think is more important
is what people like Kapanadze and Akula were really doing in their circuits. As of yet, I have not seen
anyone who can convincingly demonstrate the main principle behind these type of devices with an actual test
setup, so any offered explanations are of course still just speculation at this point.

All the best...

I think you might find it was Townsend some where about 1890 - 1920 some where around that era when he was playing around with ionized gas like the aura boriallis phenomena (northern lights).

NickZ · « **Reply #18782 on:** December 22, 2017, 08:54:00 PM »

Void:
You mentioned, "There is of course a big difference between instantaneous
power and average power. This is what Tesla appears to be describing, as best as I can tell".

But, Tesla also give reference to the input to output gains available from the original 1kW input source to the 5kW, provided at the output side. I think that that is the point. How to obtain that increase.
Which is what I was talking about. Two different things, from the instantaneous/average power, maybe, but based on the same idea, of obtaining the extra juice, that's not just coming from the input source.

Hoppy:
As you know, the term overunity is a misnomer.
Yet, the devices that we are after are not closed systems, and therefore there is no man made input source, once it's running itself. Nor OU, meaning more out than in, as there is no IN. However, the extra energy that it's running on must come from somewhere.

Some guys have mentioned that a device would need to produce overunity, first, for it to be able self run. That I don't know.
But, I am here to find out.

Void · « **Reply #18783 on:** December 22, 2017, 09:13:30 PM »

Quote from: NickZ on December 22, 2017, 08:54:00 PM

Void:
You mentioned, "There is of course a big difference between instantaneous
power and average power. This is what Tesla appears to be describing, as best as I can tell".

Yes, that's what he talking about. But, Tesla also give reference to the input to output gains available from the original 1kW input source to the 5kW, provided at the output side.
Which is what I was talking about. Two different things, maybe, but based on the same idea, of obtaining the extra juice, that's not just coming from the input source.

Hi Nick. Well I am inclined to think that Tesla was talking about instantaneous power in all cases
there where he was talking about power increases, but I could be wrong.

Unless someone clarifies
by saying they are specifically referring to instantaneous power or average power, then there is room for confusion.
Since Tesla is no longer here to clarify what he meant, then we can only make a best guess based
on everything that was said.

All the best...

NickZ · « **Reply #18784 on:** December 22, 2017, 09:43:56 PM »

Then if not, why would he mention anything about the 1kW to 5kW?
Was he just talking about using a capacitor to dampen a wave?
A dampened wave by itself will not give you more output, like 5 times more, than the 1kW input used.
Maybe we'll never know what he really meant. But, of course a capacitor can give you more out than in, for and instant.
But, it's not free energy.

AlienGrey · « **Reply #18785 on:** December 22, 2017, 10:21:57 PM »

Quote from: NickZ on December 22, 2017, 09:43:56 PM

Then if not, why would he mention anything about the 1kW to 5kW?
Was he just talking about using a capacitor to dampen a wave?
A dampened wave by itself will not give you more output, like 5 times more, than the 1kW input used.
Maybe we'll never know what he really meant. But, of course a capacitor can give you more out than in, for and instant.
But, it's not free energy.

So while your romancing what if. Have you ever come across a Russian Guy called 'Alexander Chovenosky' not sure on spelling he had a device that gave 5 time out than in it just used a spark gap DC he had a basic Jewel thief circuit in the 60s years ago some American ontriponair visited him in Russia and persuaded him to take the device to America not sure how long he lasted but he soon died suddenly, see if you can find out more about him and his ionizing spark gap it might help.

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on December 16, 2016, 02:10:24 PM

According to Frolov, the DC ammeter does not measure an increase of current (rather a decrease) when the incandescent light bulb is lit by the current going through the spark gap. This confirms the theory (see at the beginning) that a capacitor can provide additional energy - coming from the Aether - when discharged rapidly. And I think Frolov's explanation (pinch-effect, additional kinetic energy) is therefore inaccurate.

Jeg · « **Reply #18786 on:** December 23, 2017, 10:35:46 AM »

Hi Void, Nick

Thanks for your opinion on this Void. I tend to agree with Nick, as Tesla mentions the input power. He says that it is of a 1 KW power. Between two systems which both consume 1KW of power. the one with dump wave can produce millions of horse power. He doesn't state any further power consumption..

If we take the assumption one step further, we can say that Ruslan's system without HF oscillations consume for example 1KW and gives at the output in ideal conditions a 1KW of power. But by inserting/superimposing the HF component and making it this way a dump wave, then the output increases in terms of power and the system can sustain its own operation.

Jeg · « **Reply #18787 on:** December 23, 2017, 12:56:07 PM »

Quote from: Erfinder on December 23, 2017, 11:06:04 AM

the lesson here is that there is a fundamental difference between the activity and thereby energy content of damped versus undamped waves...

Hi Steve, thanks for the contribution

We know that there is a direct relation between energy and power. So i assume that by increasing energy while operating we can indeed raise the output power. I find it as an almost direct statement of Tesla that this is the way to tap in to this ocean of dielectric energy.

NickZ · « **Reply #18788 on:** December 23, 2017, 02:50:19 PM »

It seam so, to me as well.
But, it was not totally free energy, as it needed the 1kW for it to work as mentioned. Although not yet self running, but could produce OU, at least. More out than in, as that extra power came from no man made energy source, and was external to the device, the Aether.

It was after his tower in New York was torn down that he began work on the self powered car, and other free energy projects. And hoped to carry that same mode of operation onto planes, trains, and space ships, also.
Most of his notes on those subjects were taken after he died, or was killed. And those notes are still secret, today. And that's why we don't know much about his ideas on free energy harvested from the cosmic soup, etz.
But, that has not stopped the progress made by Kapanadze, Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, Roma, Adrian, and others.

Thanks for the back up guys, sometimes I feel like no one really believes any of this.
But, I do, even if no one else does.

Good to see you posting again Jeg.

There are no solid state free energy devices that can self run, without the use of capacitors, that I know of.
I found out long ago, that using a joule thief attached to a leden jar capacitor, while using just a 1.5v battery could shock the living shit out of you.

Then NMR from ferrite, or from copper, came onto our discussions.
And now, the tapping of the ions from gases in the air.
Both of which I highly doubt.
Sorry T-1000... but, thanks anyways.

What I'm really asking for is: What it takes to obtain self running? What to look for, and just how to tune for it? Can't hit the target if you don't know what to aim for.
I know that there is not one person here that knows those answers. By hands on experiments.
But, several of us have gotten to the point of giving up, with out that final and possibly secret bit of information. That still missing link, if there is one.

Void · « **Reply #18789 on:** December 23, 2017, 04:41:53 PM »

Quote from: Jeg on December 23, 2017, 10:35:46 AM

Hi Void, Nick
Thanks for your opinion on this Void. I tend to agree with Nick, as Tesla mentions the input power. He says that it is of a 1 KW power. Between two systems which both consume 1KW of power. the one with dump wave can produce millions of horse power. He doesn't state any further power consumption..

Hi Jeg. I can't follow what you are saying there. The input power was from a generator
so he would have most probably been referring to average input power (for example 1kW), but
that does not mean that he couldn't have been referring to instantaneous power when
referring to power at the output of hundreds of thousands or millions of Watts/HP.

From Tesla's analogy of comparing it to a pile driver, it does appear that Tesla was talking about
instantaneous power. If you think about it, if Tesla was able to increase the average power
from the average input power to the average output power by such a huge factor by simply pulsing
a tesla coil, then that would have been huge news back then, just as it would be now, and many
people who experiment with pulsing tesla coils with spark gaps should have noticed this massive average
power gain by now as well, don't you think?

All the best...

forest · « **Reply #18790 on:** December 23, 2017, 04:46:44 PM »

It has strong scientific ground to convert this "activity" into infinite COP but the output is not very large. Exactly how Tesla described it - you can get the excess from ambient using this method.
Ask here : this guy is very very close http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3453.0;topicseen

forest · « **Reply #18791 on:** December 23, 2017, 04:55:15 PM »

Quote from: Void on December 23, 2017, 04:41:53 PM

Hi Jeg. I can't follow what you are saying there. The input power was from a generator
so he would have most probably been referring to average input power (for example 1kW), but
that does not mean that he couldn't have been referring to instantaneous power when
referring to power at the output of hundreds of thousands or millions of Watts/HP.

From Tesla's analogy of comparing it to a pile driver, it does appear that Tesla was talking about
instantaneous power. If you think about it, if Tesla was able to increase the average power
from the average input power to the average output power by such a huge factor by simply pulsing
a tesla coil, then that would have been huge news back then, just as it would be now, and many
people who experiment with pulsing tesla coils with spark gaps should have noticed this massive average
power gain by now as well, don't you think?

All the best...

Yes, but in other part he told us about the circuit oscillated for 3 years !

Void · « **Reply #18792 on:** December 23, 2017, 05:41:49 PM »

Quote from: forest on December 23, 2017, 04:46:44 PM

It has strong scientific ground to convert this "activity" into infinite COP but the output is not very large. Exactly how Tesla described it - you can get the excess from ambient using this method.
Ask here : this guy is very very close http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3453.0;topicseen

Hi forest. It turned out that Vasik had measurement error and there was no COP >1 in his test setup.
He had posted here at overunity.com a while back suggesting people try his setup, and I pointed
out to him at the time that with the output being only in the very low microWatts that it was too easy
to be mislead by measurement error or similar. It seems that was the case. Running test setups that
run at very low power levels can potentially be very misleading. Always better to try to test at higher
power levels where ever possible, where measurement error becomes less of a factor.

All the best...

Jeg · « **Reply #18793 on:** December 23, 2017, 07:39:19 PM »

Quote from: Void on December 23, 2017, 04:41:53 PM

Hi Jeg. I can't follow what you are saying there. The input power was from a generator
so he would have most probably been referring to average input power (for example 1kW), but
that does not mean that he couldn't have been referring to instantaneous power when
referring to power at the output of hundreds of thousands or millions of Watts/HP.

From Tesla's analogy of comparing it to a pile driver, it does appear that Tesla was talking about
instantaneous power. If you think about it, if Tesla was able to increase the average power
from the average input power to the average output power by such a huge factor by simply pulsing
a tesla coil, then that would have been huge news back then, just as it would be now, and many
people who experiment with pulsing tesla coils with spark gaps should have noticed this massive average
power gain by now as well, don't you think?

All the best...

Hi Void
Of course this is open for discussion. Anyone can interpret it according to his own point of view and understanding. Are we sure we both think the same when speaking about damped waves and quenched spark gaps? You see, a discussion of this kind has to start from the basics. Tesla looks straight on this. About the nail and the hammer example Tesla shows the importance of breaking the wave at the peak. Think that a continuous wave is like moving up and down a hammer continually. But instead, if we stop the oscillation at the peak, the impact is huge. If this huge impact could be imposed on hammer's oscillation then the output would be dramatically increased without spending more power for moving the hammer.

Hi Nick, thank you

I am building a katcher right now for attempting one more time. Gosh!!! Nick you are a bad influence

Keep it up.

Void · « **Reply #18794 on:** December 23, 2017, 08:19:54 PM »

Hi Jeg. I still don't follow you. A pile driver (or hammer) releases stored potential energy
in sudden bursts when you bring the pile driver or hammer down very quickly. That is quite clear cut.
It can not be interpreted in different ways.

When you raise up the pile driver or hammer over time,
you are storing up the potential energy over time, and then when you bring it down very quickly
you are converting that stored up potential energy into kinetic energy in a very short time period. This
analogy is to a capacitor where you store up energy in it over time (charge it up over a time period) and then
release this stored energy in a quick burst in a very short period of time through something like
a sparkgap. This can produce a very large instantaneous power at the output over a very short period of
time. This appears to me to be what Tesla was referring to. Anyone is free to interpret anything
in any way they wish however, so no worries.

Anyway, as I said previously, if Tesla had found a way to increase average power at the output
by many times over the average input power by pulsing a tesla coil, then that with little doubt would have
been very big news even in Tesla's time. It seems quite unlikely to me then that this is what Tesla was talking
about. It seems much more likely he was talking about instantaneous power. Interpreting it as short duration
pulses of very high instantaneous power is still something very interesting to consider however.

All the best...

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