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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 11718135 times)

Hoppy

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18045 on: September 17, 2017, 08:06:00 PM »
Nick,

I recall that heat generation is a feature of claimed self-runners, to the point where it limits the running time of a those devices. So, maybe its necessary to find a way of running in chaotic mode, whilst avoiding smoke. This may involve carefully selecting a lamp load that provides an acceptable impedance to the device. It may also be possible to select a TVS diode that clamps the voltage spike just above the necessary voltage for manifesting the 'effect' but low enough to prevent the mosfet avalanching to destruction. If there is any validity to self-running claims for these devices, then it makes some sense to me that they are not working to conventional electronic design principles and that may well depend on tuning into radio Moscow!

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« Reply #18046 on: September 17, 2017, 08:50:46 PM »
Hi, there the VDR and TVS diode suppressor device saga appears to have very little let up in the comments in their use, forgive me in my choice of words here but i doubt any wone will bother in my view here but has anyone bothered to read and take note of the data sheet ?.

Both devices are limited to mains frequencies and just slapping one across a MOS-FET enhancement mode device at around 20khz will just become a short circuit at that frequency, you need to drain the excess spike off by using a HF recovery diode into a largeish capacitor and dumping the energy back into your system.

Allen

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« Reply #18047 on: September 17, 2017, 10:04:06 PM »
Hi, there the VDR and TVS diode suppressor device saga appears to have very little let up in the comments in their use, forgive me in my choice of words here but i doubt any wone will bother in my view here but has anyone bothered to read and take note of the data sheet ?.

Both devices are limited to mains frequencies and just slapping one across a MOS-FET enhancement mode device at around 20khz will just become a short circuit at that frequency, you need to drain the excess spike off by using a HF recovery diode into a largeish capacitor and dumping the energy back into your system.

Allen

Good day All

Sorry to post a rebuttal, but............
I actively use TVS suppressors in HF applications..........
See attached pics........
One pic, without the TVS protection *after* an OverVoltage condition on the bridge.
Other pic, the Bridge with TVS protection installed across the Drain >> Source on EACH of the 4 bridge MOSFETs.

The TVS suppressors can become quite hot, but my application shown here is an *Extreme* application for these devices, ( and everything else on the bridge).
They do work @ HF.

take care, peace
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« Reply #18048 on: September 17, 2017, 10:09:02 PM »
   OK then, I'll continue looking for Radio Moscow, the ghost channel. As even the avalanche mode in itself is not enough to bring it on. Where ones hand near the antenna makes that unique sound.

  Apecore:  How are you coming with the new grenade?  Reach Radio Mexico, yet?

For NickZ:

Mexican Radio....................  https://youtu.be/2AidzzggTH0

take care, peace
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« Reply #18049 on: September 18, 2017, 12:53:25 AM »
    Lost Bro:
   Now if you can reach Radio Moscow you'll be in like Flin.
They only transmit on the second Tuesday of every week.

  Apecore at one time had the right sound, what happened with that?

   Maybe I could only get the signal during the solar activity last week and the record breaking 3 hurricanes.
   But, I'll cntinue trying. Using the properly tuned snubbers circuits is very critical to getting anywhere with this.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18050 on: September 18, 2017, 09:46:47 AM »
    Lost Bro:
   Now if you can reach Radio Moscow you'll be in like Flin.
They only transmit on the second Tuesday of every week.

  Apecore at one time had the right sound, what happened with that?

   Maybe I could only get the signal during the solar activity last week and the record-breaking 3 hurricanes.
   But, I'll continue trying. Using the properly tuned snubbers circuits is very critical to getting anywhere with this.
How many Tuesdays are there in a week where you live? ;)

By the way storm and solar activity,  the frequency stabilization can change a few kilohertz be prepared to hunt up or down a few kilohertz.  Also, something big is supposedly going on around the 21st this week, so have fun.


Lost_bro what happened on your board?  I used 1K5 devices had no trouble since my first tests they clip but no heat so won't be changing, Are we talking about reverse flyback protection diodes?
Allen
« Last Edit: September 18, 2017, 12:47:09 PM by AlienGrey »

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« Reply #18051 on: September 18, 2017, 09:58:32 AM »
How many Tuesdays are there in a week where you live? ;)

By the way storm and solar activity,  the frequency stabilization can change a few kilohertz be prepared to hunt up or down a few kilohertz.  Also, some thing big is supposedly going on around the 21st this week, so have fun.

Allen

Its the 23 Sep - claimed start of the Tribulation Period - long overdue!

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« Reply #18052 on: September 18, 2017, 12:56:34 PM »
Its the 23 Sep - claimed start of the Tribulation Period - long overdue!
oh yeah! the planets change sine then too! Virgo to Libra (man and machine).
7 years of it, if we are all still around by then. ;)

 http://www.watchfortheday.org/1260tetrad.html

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« Reply #18053 on: September 20, 2017, 11:59:28 PM »
Good day All

Noticed that no-one has posted anything for a few days now, so figure I would post this:    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHlQ_bI2bmk&feature=youtu.be

I was probing another one of the various Ruslan replication Grenade configurations using a two channel DSO in XY mode, when I found a curious configuration of connections that would give a *Double-Concentric* circle Lissajous pattern.

Lissajous patterns are generated by applying two different signals, one to the horizontal and another to vertical inputs of an oscilloscope (XY mode).
The resulting pattern is a function of the ratio of the two frequencies.

A perfect circle would indicate a 90 degree phase angle relationship between the X and Y inputs on the DSO.

A straight line running at a 45 degree angle from the 1st to the  3rd quadrants indicates a Zero phase angle difference, or *in-phase* relationship between the X and Y inputs of the DSO.

By reversing the connection of the ground line connection to the Grenade, the two apparent pairs of circles could be made to appear _In-phase_ or _out-of-phase_.

The unique and anomalous fact concerning this *Double-Concentric* circle Lissajous pattern is that with a two channel DSO, (while testing a passive device) It should NOT be possible to produce more than ONE circle at a time. Because the generation of a single circle requires the use of both channels, so the appearance of a *second* circle carries interesting implications.

Considering the groundline interaction is catalyzing / amplifying this effect, I would offer speculation that some species of reflected standing wave is involved.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18054 on: September 21, 2017, 03:26:23 AM »
HI lost_bro. Were you driving the grenade coil with just one waveform,
or with two waveforms? One driving waveform to the 'inductor' winding (primary winding)
and another waveform to the 'antenna' winding, or what exactly? Anyway, you can see the combining
of two different waveforms in your time domain scope screen shots, so I would make a guess
that the two different lissajous patterns are due to the two different waveforms at two
different frequencies on the grenade, whatever their origin might be.

I have a commercial AM radio station transmitter site not so far away from where I live, and it
shows up on some of my coils and on my ground wire when I am experimenting sometimes, and
can make things harder to analyze because I have this extra waveform showing up in the approximate
1MHz range that is actually due to a local AM broadcast station. :) Not saying that is what you were
seeing in your test, but just mentioning it as it is something that had me scratching my head in the
past wondering where this high frequency waveform was coming from that showed up
quite noticeably in some of my tests, even on my earth ground wire. When I compared the measured
frequency to the frequency of some local AM broadcast stations, one of them matched closely. :D
All the best...

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18055 on: September 21, 2017, 03:54:29 AM »
HI lost_bro. Were you driving the grenade coil with just one waveform,
or with two waveform
s? One driving waveform to the 'inductor' winding (primary winding)
and another waveform to the 'antenna' winding, or what exactly? Anyway, you can see the combining
of two different waveforms in your time domain scope screen shots
, so I would make a guess
that the two different lissajous patterns are due to the two different waveforms at two
different frequencies on the grenade, whatever their origin might be.

....................

Good day Void

Very astute observation concerning the necessity of 2 *different* waveforms being required to produce 2 independant Lissajous patterns (circles).

Yes, agreed...... *two* separate _waveforms_  (signals) are needed to generate *two* distinct Lissajous patterns, and I would assume also a 4 channel DSO to process the dual waveforms.

But........... In this case I am pulsing ONLY the inductor with a single sinewave signal from my Function Generator.

There is ONLY one input signal
and I am using ONLY one pair of scope probes on a 2 channel DSO.
So there should ONLY appear ONE lissajous pattern.

And you are right on the money regarding being to see the *modulation* of the Original signal in the time domain.
From what I can tell, this *effect* is caused by the grenade itself, ie; I am not injecting 2 different signal to cause this modulation effect.
When the ground line is removed from the grenade, the *mystery_2nd_circle* disappears............

take care, peace
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18056 on: September 21, 2017, 04:18:19 AM »
Hi lost_bro. I have seen the exact same sort of thing in my own testing sometimes (extra HF waveform showing up),
as I mentioned in my previous reply. I found the extra high frequency waveform was due to a local AM broadcast
station. Connecting a coil to an earth ground wire makes a very decent antenna for AM broadcast band or SW broadcast
stations, so that is a possible source to consider for the extra HF signal seen in your time domain scope shots.
I can't say whether that is the cause in your case here, but I think it is at least a possible cause, so I think worth considering. 
All the best...
« Last Edit: September 21, 2017, 10:45:53 AM by Void »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18057 on: September 21, 2017, 05:04:52 AM »

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« Reply #18058 on: September 21, 2017, 01:07:54 PM »
Good day Void

Very astute observation concerning the necessity of 2 *different* waveforms being required to produce 2 independant Lissajous patterns (circles).

Yes, agreed...... *two* separate _waveforms_  (signals) are needed to generate *two* distinct Lissajous patterns, and I would assume also a 4 channel DSO to process the dual waveforms.

But........... In this case I am pulsing ONLY the inductor with a single sinewave signal from my Function Generator.

There is ONLY one input signal
and I am using ONLY one pair of scope probes on a 2 channel DSO.
So there should ONLY appear ONE lissajous pattern.

And you are right on the money regarding being to see the *modulation* of the Original signal in the time domain.
From what I can tell, this *effect* is caused by the grenade itself, ie; I am not injecting 2 different signal to cause this modulation effect.
When the ground line is removed from the grenade, the *mystery_2nd_circle* disappears............

take care, peace
lost_bro
Lost-bros and others, yes now you mention it the infamous circle or out of shape one, from what I can remember that sine wave oscillator has to be the same frequency but out of phase the shape is dependant on 'C' and  'R' altering the phase characteristic similar to a standing wave or classic Huntertron component tester of the 80s - 90s  many government MOD establishments used. However, yours do look modulated, can you draw any power from them ;)

Allen

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« Reply #18059 on: September 21, 2017, 04:29:24 PM »
   Hoppy:
   Although I'm still waiting to get the needed snubber resistors, I thought to show what the "Chaotic Mode" looks like.
This image below is showing a partial avalanche, (as the peaks can get to over 350v), which would not take too long to kill the fets.
The partial avalanche is shown on the yellow trace, channel 1, and it can get much worse than that.
   I was trying to get the chaotic mode to show up on both working channels, but it usually likes one or the other channel, however, it will also show itself on both channels at the same time. It's just harder to get a shot of that. Any way, the highest peaks at avalanche are at 350v. But, I'm trying to work with it, instead of just letting do what it wants.
   There's a lot to learn about how to best adjust and control these devices to give the best output, yet not self destroy themselves from a runaway condition. But we need more cooperation between the member here to crack this nut.

   EDIT: The scope will not show the correct duty cycle or frequency when in the chaotic mode. And they will vary wildly all over.
   Two questions: Perhaps Void can answer.
    1) How to get the duty cycle to read normally, as it always tend to read about 10% of where it's really at?
    2) How to get the scope readings to not go back and forth, nor walking around the screen, and get them to stay steady? instead.