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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 5503381 times)

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17970 on: September 05, 2017, 07:57:31 AM »
   T-1000:
    Well, ok Geo doesn't have  a self runner. Sorry to hear about that. I was hoping that he'd hit on it by now.
So, no worries, I'm slow at this also.

    Guys,
    I made a couple of new videos late the other night and below are the two new links, to them.
   The first one is about showing possibly what might be some of the first signs of "effect generation:, without going into the caotic mode. With peaks maintained below 230v, or so

   The second video below is showing what may be the first part of the "effect" that is needed to get this thing off ground.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofA-rtYe9hM
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO1wKH3CnIA

    The scope shot pictured below, is of the frequency of my drain signals at the time of running the "effect", 15KHz, and a few other important details in that digital scope shot. It shows when it rings into the caotic mode, but only with the induction circuit running, no Kacher on, on that shot. It's just a shot of my drains signals, on one of the sweet spots where it sounds like someone is trying to tune into Radio Moscow.
Or something like that.

    That scope shot below was taken tonight, on my new Siglent scope. Which is new, and it's great, and it's pretty.
And it's here, with me now. I took a screen shot picture of it, of my drain signals, from my cell phone for now.
And I'm sure glad it has the button called "AUTO", or I'd be lost in scope land without that button.

   I have to thank Dog-One, for his contribution of the Siglent scope. It is very much appreciated. And it got here to C.R. in like new condition, and it also came very well boxed. So much so, that I had to convince the customs duty guys here, that it wasn't a brand new scope, in its original box. When it was...
    An amazing gift...
   Thanks again Dog.
   No more blurry scope shots...
   Well, maybe just a few more blurry ones from my old Tectronix, at times, as it may still have something to show.
                                                 
       NickZ

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17970 on: September 05, 2017, 07:57:31 AM »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17971 on: September 05, 2017, 10:07:50 AM »
Nick,

Please show the mosfet gate waveforms in both normal and chaotic modes.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17972 on: September 05, 2017, 12:53:24 PM »

Nick,

the new scope looks awesome, take good care of it.
It shows nice signals with about 50V amplitude and a spike with a 333Khz (3us) ring on it.
Try to put the left markers (yellow 1 and blue 2) on the nearest horizontal line to better compare them.
Off course on the right side of the screen you can put up some measurements data like frequency, Vpp etc. but you will pick up on that soon.
 

The first video shows great operation, nice steady drain signals (despite the spike and ringing) and the additional brightness of the bulb
when the kacher kicks in.

The second video nicely shows the effect you get, but overall its not a that bad signal on the drains, i have seen far worse signals in chaotic mode.
The sound (about 2Khz??) tells that probably you have some oscillations going on back into the TL494.
Some decoupling caps 0.1nF (ceramic) across the plus / minus there could help.

Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17973 on: September 05, 2017, 01:24:07 PM »
Nick Z Nice scope display, nice scope, Is that the effect you're getting?
To me, it looks like you have found the resonant frequency of the yoke!
Try and see if you can improve on the effect that's happening between each off cycle (effect),
you can do this by changing the values of the 0.47 uf cap, try lowering it to get the 15 khz up a couple of cycles and see if it's amplitude increases, the fets should run cooler the. Try it and see how you get on.

PS don't bother with the Katcher yet.

Allen

PS some guys are experimenting with a winding under the grenade (equates to the grenades first layer in length).


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17974 on: September 05, 2017, 03:01:08 PM »

Nick,

i was trying to focus on your Oleg snubber, but i have a hard time finding out how it is connected.
According to the below picture, is it right what i think i see, meaning the white wire is the 24V supply wire.
I cannot see where the other side of that resistor goes to, but it seems NOT to go the junction R, C and D's
Please double check the correct connections.

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« Reply #17974 on: September 05, 2017, 03:01:08 PM »
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17975 on: September 05, 2017, 04:24:39 PM »
   Ok, well thanks a lot for the comments guys. And thanks to Dog-One for such a nice gift. It certainly will be put to good use.
 
   Itsu: The Oleg snubber is connected from the resistor to the one end of the black cap, (it's connected underneath the resistor), and the other end of the black cap is going to the two diodes. And from there each of the two diodes is going to the fet's drains. I'll show a close up in my next video. But, it doesn't really do much as it is right now.
  I should be getting the 47 ohm 2w Oleg snubber resistors, and the 1k ohm, 2 watt resistors for the fet snubbers on Friday.
   
   The frequency is reading 15KHz, on the new scope. However,  the 230 plus volts spikes and peaks are much lower than what my old scope was reading. As the digital Siglent scope does not really see nor read the faint higher peaks that my older CRT scope can read.

   I'll need some time to learn just how to use this new scope, as it has more tricks and whistles than I can shake a stick at.
The AUTO button is a great feature on it, as well as the big 18 div, 7 inch color screen.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17976 on: September 05, 2017, 05:02:49 PM »
I consider that 1.5KW (peak pulse)TVS a good choice. However, if Nick firmly establishes that the 'effect' depends on a very hot, over voltaged mosfet, then although a suitably rated TVS will protect the mosfet, the 'effect' may be lost.


   Hoppy:  I'm not establishing anything at this time. Nor am I saying the mosfets need to be going into any particular condition.
I'm simply stating what I see. But, it may be that while clamping the voltage peaks to run under the 200 volts of the mosfet limits,  that that may cause the "effect" to not be present, and not kick in.
   On the other hard, Ruslan and other guys start their device using only a 12v battery. So, even using that lower 12v input voltage can kick the device into that special resonant condition. 
   I'll show what my gate signals look like while the effect is happening, in one of my next videos. The gate, and drain signals do get affected by the HV pulses onto the induction circuits. Which also affects the way the fets work when in that special resonant sweet spot.
And so it looks like specially tuned snubbers are essential, to be able to obtain the effect, while yet not burn out the fets with  extreme BEMF peaks and spikes.

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« Reply #17976 on: September 05, 2017, 05:02:49 PM »
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17977 on: September 05, 2017, 05:05:04 PM »
Nick,

when you say:

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Itsu: The Oleg snubber is connected from the resistor to the one end of the black cap, (it's connected underneath the resistor),
and the other end of the black cap is going to the two diodes. And from there each of the two diodes is going to the fet's drains.

i understand its connected like this: 

                                                            ----------------------Drain / Primary
                                                           |
                                                       -------
                                                         \   /
                                                        _\_/__
                      ------------            ||       |
24V o----------| 460 Ohm |--- ----||------|
                      ------------            ||       |
                                             1.2uF    _|__
                                                          / \
                                                         /   \
                                                        -------
                                                            |
                                                             ----------------------Drain / Primary

That is not how its shown in the diagram and what i mentioned above in the picture:
"This resistor end should go to the junction of the resistor, capacitor and both diodes (cathode)"


The capacitor should be grounded at one side like this:


                                               ----------------------Drain / Primary
                                              |
                                          -------
                                            \   /
                                           _\_/__
                      -----------          |        ||
24V o----------| 460 Ohm |------|------||-------------|
                      -----------          |        ||                 |
                                           __|__     1.2uF        ------
                                             / \                         ----   
                                            /   \                          --
                                           -------                   
                                              |
                                              ----------------------Drain / Primary


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I should be getting the 47 ohm 2w Oleg snubber resistors, and the 1k ohm, 2 watt resistors for the fet snubbers on Friday.

You got that reversed, 1K is for the Oleg snubber etc.



By the way, spectrum analysis of your Radio Moscow noise shows some peaks in the 6, 7.5 and 13.8 Khz ranges.


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17978 on: September 05, 2017, 05:28:26 PM »

   Hoppy:  I'm not establishing anything at this time. Nor am I saying the mosfets need to be going into any particular condition.
I'm simply stating what I see. But, it may be that while clamping the voltage peaks to run under the 200 volts of the mosfet limits,  that that may cause the "effect" to not be present, and not kick in.
 

If eventually you get the 'effect' without the mosfet getting very hot, then you will have automatically established that its not primarily due to an avalanche condition. I was not suggesting that you to do anything particular to establish this, or decide on a condition that's causing it.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17979 on: September 05, 2017, 05:40:58 PM »
Itsu and NickZ please be aware if that data on your spectrum analyser is off Nicks video, Google and the phone frequency response might use compression software as we found out using a video from Adrian Guska tests were made and might very well be misleading. Also, you might need a bit of voltage hysteresis between the anding diodes cap junction and back feeding the push-pull power feed to limit the current when the spike occurs you can monitor that with your new scope.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17980 on: September 05, 2017, 05:52:03 PM »
Hi Nick. What model is your Siglent scope?

Not sure if your Siglent scope is similar to my scope for controls and features, but here
is how some things work on my Siglent scope:

To use the built in 'Measure' feature, press the Measure button to display the
Measure display panel on the vertical right side of the scope screen. To change which individual
measurements are being displayed in the 'Measure' display panel section, press one of the unmarked buttons
beside each individual measurement that run in a vertical line just to the right of the
right side of the scope display. For example, when you press one of those vertical row of
unmarked buttons when the Measure display panel is turned on, you can then select 'Voltage',
then for the 'Source' select 'CH1' or 'CH2', and for the type you can try selecting Vmax for example,
then select 'Return'. (This is assuming your Siglent scope is similar to mine for the controls).

A handy feature for automatically vertically centering the Ch1 and Ch2 displays
on the screen is to press the CH1 and CH2 'Position' knobs all the way in (you
should hear a beep), and then the trace for that scope channel will get auto vertically
centered. This is handy when you want to quickly vertically center the scope traces.

You can do the same thing with the Horizontal 'Position' knob. Pressing it all the way
in automatically centers the scope traces in the center horizonatally on the scope screen.
This centered horizontal position should be the default.

That auto center feature also works if you push in the Trigger 'Level' knob all the way in
as well. That will auto center the trigger level to the vertical center of the scope screen.

For normal operation, the 'Single' button in the top right corner should be off, and the
Run/Stop button should show as being on (lights yellow on my scope when in run mode, lighting yellow means Run, red means Stop).


To print a scope screen shot to a USB flash drive:
=====================================
Insert a USB thumb drive into the front USB slot on the scope.

To configure the scope 'Print' button to print scope screen shots to the USB drive:
Press the 'Save/Recall' button on the scope.
On the right side of the scope display, press the unmarked button to the right of the 'Type' selection and select 'Picture'.
For the 'Print Key' option choose 'Save Picture'.

Press the scope's 'Measure' button to display the Measure display panel on the Scope screen again.
When you are ready to save a scope screen shot to the USB drive, press the 'Print' button,
which on my scope is located just to the right of the bottom right corner of the scope screen.
The screen shot should get saved to a folder on the USB drive.
For my Siglent scope, the screen shot gets saved to a BMP file in a folder called "BMP" on the USB drive.
Your scope being newer than mine may have an option to save to a different type of picture file format.
(Since the forum software here doesn't accept BMP files, I have to manually convert them to PNG using other image editing software).

My scope is five years old or maybe six years old, so I don't know if your Siglent scope
will work exactly the same as my Siglent scope does for saving scope screen shots. Your scope could
be somewhat different, but it is probably fairly similar if not the same.


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17981 on: September 05, 2017, 06:14:33 PM »
Itsu and NickZ please be aware if that data on your spectrum analyser is off Nicks video, Google and the phone frequency response might use compression software as we found out using a video from Adrian Guska tests were made and might very well be misleading. Also, you might need a bit of voltage hysteresis between the anding diodes cap junction and back feeding the push-pull power feed to limit the current when the spike occurs you can monitor that with your new scope.

Allen

Good point AG, so Nick should do the analysis himself.

Not sure what you mean by:

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you might need a bit of voltage hysteresis between the anding diodes cap junction and back feeding the push-pull power feed to limit the current when the spike occurs you can monitor that with your new scope[/size]

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17982 on: September 05, 2017, 07:05:02 PM »
Good point AG, so Nick should do the analysis himself.

Not sure what you mean by:

Itsu
well we want to use all energy we have available here as far as the phenomena is concerned if we make the device a designers model piece, we could be chucking out the phenomena with the baby and the dirty water, you can play clean waveforms later if it's a problem.

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« Reply #17983 on: September 05, 2017, 08:19:49 PM »
  Itsu:
  Those spectrum analyzer shots are interesting.
As the new scope has FFT, I'll see what that will show, also.  And then adjust the drivers to run at those same resonant frequency peaks. A controlable Kacher circuit may also need to be built, next.

  Void: Thanks for the scope info.
   My scope  did come with everything, including the manuals. So, I'll be reading those operating instructions, soon.
  And, I'll re-read your scope info again, as well.
 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17984 on: September 05, 2017, 08:50:30 PM »
Hi Nick. I found that for some features the manual isn't all that great,
so I had to fiddle around on my own to figure out how some things work. :)


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