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Author Topic: Business aspects of innovation  (Read 8680 times)

Offline atomiverse

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Business aspects of innovation
« on: April 13, 2005, 10:49:55 AM »
Could we have a poll of how many subscribers have 401K plans with over 500K? Or maybe have a "pitch" area for presenting one's idea? Or a list of hedge funds like I mentioned in some strings at Yahoo's Free-Energy, since they might take an interest in "puts" and other derivatives to leverage a 100K investment to make them billiions, even if it fails. All these ideas fall under the general category of business, and quite a few free energy folks I've noticed here seem to think "free" doesn't have to apply to giving it away as well as making it so the energy itself is nearly free.

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Business aspects of innovation
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Offline rlm555339

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Re: Business aspects of innovation
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2005, 03:42:21 PM »
My personal definition of "free" energy is different than some.  Many define free energy as output greater than input.  That's questionable as to whether that is possible or not.

My idea of free energy is use of materials and resources that you don't have to pay someone to use.  So far nobody has figured out a way to charge for, or regulate, gravity, wind, and sunshine.  Water is still available to everyone.  Using these elements may not result in output being greater than input but it would give one a smidgen of independence.

There's a difference between "free" energy and "free" technology.  Giving away your technological idea for free is the great debate. 

Just my two cents worth.


Offline kenbo0422

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Re: Business aspects of innovation
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2005, 10:04:43 PM »
a 401 what?

Offline atomiverse

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Re: Business aspects of innovation
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2005, 01:51:27 AM »
Uh-oh.

So, okay, maybe this sort of thread just isn't going to happen here.

Heh.


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Re: Business aspects of innovation
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2005, 07:05:48 PM »
Maybe we are a little bit to idealistic. We want to solve two main problems of mankind within one step. #1 we want to solve the problem of world?s limited energies, what is a technical problem AND #2 we want to solve the problem of paying money for energy. I'm sure that mankind can solve problem #1. To solve problem #2 we have to change mankind because nobody will offer you for free technologies, resources and manpower that are necessary to solve problem #1. So let?s make the first step before the second and let?s assure that there will be no economic cartel for free energy like for oil and gas.

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Andreas

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Re: Business aspects of innovation
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2005, 07:05:48 PM »
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Offline Charlie Brown ARN

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Re: Business aspects of innovation
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2005, 03:10:21 AM »
The superior energy source I'm trying to develop, the diode array, where very many very small diodes absorb heat and release DC electrical power is widely taught to be impossible but heat would be a different phenomena if it was truly impossible. Ambient heat is free and plentiful. Diode arrays are expected to be decentralized and scalable. Diode arrays would power machinery to make more diode arrays so they can be made anywhere cheaply.

In concept as a simple, though, but extreme example, space colonists could travel in hollowed out asteroids for a long time with absorption of weak background heat from stars balancing their energy budget  for radio transmissions, propulsion and / or propulsion reserves and heat leakage through a highly insulating skin. Inside the colony, ambient heat would be recycled into electricity which would be used for a great variety of purposes sustaining and improving the colony. These uses then end up looping back the supply of ambient heat.

Diode arrays should become a commodity where production is routine. In this circumstance multiple suppliers can feed multiple buyers directly without a proxy price setting mechanism. There would be a few standards for everyone's convenience and then great autonomy in responding to the commercial situation. The aggregate should have a smooth outline of gradually falling price as suppliers improve their manufacturing processes. Everyone would also try to converge on the aggregate average price as a market signal of the equilibrium price. Management and production would be highly automated. This should be a very dull market.

Meanwhile society would go through a good but extensive change that I call the pinata economy as superior energy is applied to a wide and expanding variety of uses.

I don't have to have hands on money with this. I don't care who commits ~$50 k to the nanofabricator. I'll be happy to advise on the specs, if asked, for reasonable treatment.

Aloha, Charlie

 

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