Are you even reading my posts?

No, he doesn't. Lawrence only cherry picks things that support his fantasies.

Trying to teach Lawrence is somewhat similar to trying to teach Rosemary Ainslie; it's a futile endeavour.

Hey, at least I got him to consider the AC vs DC coupling issue. Maybe only because it makes his output power measurements look larger when DC coupled, but at least he tried it, instead of trying to tell me I was fos like Ainslie does.

Fausto:

We are going to revisit the mechanical power issue again.

I am going to quote Mark Euthansius from the comments from the recent PESN article about Jue Newman:

The video lined in the current article says 900gph = 15gpm which looks about right.  Given that and the pump inlet height of no more than 1 meter, translates to less than 10W mechanical power. It's more of the same old story:  Bad assumptions about input versus output lead to unsupportable claims of free energy.  For Joe Newman, this has been going on for 30 years.

Do you understand now Fausto?  The Joe Newman video linked to in the October 2012 PESN article is showing about 10 watts of mechanical work being done to pump water (I think you linked to the same video).  You now understand that a bunch of alkaline AA batteries in series can easily do this.


Another Mark E. quote:

the mechanical power required to lift the claimed 900
gph of water 1 meter is less than 10W.  That's within the reach of 10 AA cells. 
It is a light load for the 80 9V 522 alkaline cells shown in the video.  If you think that pumping that modest quantity of water by that small height requires 300hp, then you have very funny ideas about power.  The machine's mass is irrelevant.

I note also that TK showed some calculations showing that it was feasible for the water pumping to get done.  So what Joe Newman is showing is nothing of any significance.  What you have to do when you look at video clips like this is is do the calculations and find out for yourself.  Don't believe me and especially don't believe Joe Newman, check things out for yourself.

TK:

Yes indeed, after I made that posting I was thinking that Joe probably spins up his big honking rotors by hand before he powers them with the AA batteries.  So I salute you in your Brownie Point wisdom.  lol

Once the big honking rotor is turning it acts like a mechanical low-pass filter and the AA batteries can happily run the pump without worrying about the varying mechanical resistance of the actual pump itself.  The rotational inertia of the rotor smooths things out.

Fausto:

Another interesting quote from the PESN article, this time from Asterix:

Newman, on his website (joseph newman dot com) claims that it is possible to do work using voltage only with no current.  This is pure babbling.   It's entirely possible to have a charge (voltage) with no current flow--we know it as static electricity.  But the moment that the charge is dissipated, a current flows--and work is performed.  Potential energy changes to kinetic energy.  No laws of physics broken (sorry, Sterling).  P=IE--as easy as pie.

Sorry again, Sterling, but the same potential-to-kinetic energy relationship holds regardless of the force involved:  gravitational, intertial, electrostatic or magnetic.   Your #1 and the "looped"  MG sets on your list must follow the rule; it's the way our universe is constructed.

So that's where you are getting your statement about "voltage only with no current" or "voltage only with so little current it's not worth mentioning."

I hope that you realize now that what Joe says is a lie.  Power is voltage times current and there is no such thing as a Newman motor that runs on voltage only.

MileHigh


     

Gentlemans,


please, let's be more honest with each other.


Some of you are picking the arguments and ignoring others. Others are speculating in how Newman's machine work without knowing how he built really and looking thing at the windows views of current science and IGNORING everything else that he is saying.


I presented a book for review where this is explained (magnetic laws) in detail. No one mention anything against the book or in favor, Lots of articles flying around but no real conversation, just I am right and you are wrong.


Please, this site is looked by a lot of eyes in the world including my family and probably some of yours. We are in the pursue of understanding, so understanding let us do.


Converting the energy stored in those batteries of Mr Newman's video is ludicrous  really, he did not even measure the batteries again to show how much was used.  You cannot know how much power (or energy ) he used in that video, you only speculated that the energy stored in those batteries to the MAXIMUM and calculated how he potentially could have done,


BUT,


you don't know that either, do you?


And how you think he build that motor, like conventional motor ? Really?


So far I am not impressed with our ability to calculate things and show what is possible, I am here to find the impossible, get it?


Either teach correctly, and correctly really, not just half way, please.


I have much more respect for those that SHOW work and not only talk.


@TinselKoala[/color],


I am building up more respect for you every day. I see how you are teaching Lawrence how to professionally measure things and prepare himself for his next challenge. I am learning with him too. Thank you. Please, keep that attitude of professionalism you have been showing. It is very good for us all here.


@Lawrence,


Keep learning and bringing your arguments and measurements. It is very plausible that you are correct, data will eventually show US that or not. I admire your diligence all this years and persistent approach to many here.



Fausto.

This file is the oscilloscope analysis file for the JT with a 2.3V 10F capacitor.


The readings were taken with both the AA battery and capacitor connected.  The capacitor was connected in parallel with the AA Battery.


The COP was 0.64.  No surprise.

This is the interesting case.


The AA battery was disconnected.  The 2.3V 10F capacitor was left connected.  The Output Voltage Frequency increased from 1.4 KHz to 5 KHz.


The readings (Input5 and Output5) were then taken.


Bingo!  The COP was -6.4!!!


Let the replication, the interpretation and the application begin.  Thank you to the Almighty.

I have a question for those that know anything about Mr. Newman. What is the inductance of the coil he is using in his coil on that 2000 pound motor? Speculation of our part, yes, but I can speculate based on the previous motors he has shown all his life and are very well documented in how to build one.


I would think the induction would be enormous.   I don't think 270 volts will pass even 5 mili-amps of current. Now, how that motor with that little current can even run?


I really want to see how smart the engineers here are, specially Mr. Mile HIgh.

Fausto.

Then I won't jump in until MH has had a chance to answer.


Meanwhile, here's a quick video showing how Lawrence -- or anyone else who cares to -- can determine the actual resonant frequencies of his JT coils, out of circuit. In the circuit the resonant frequency will change depending on the load the coil sees. This method can also be used in-circuit by disconnecting the circuit's input to the coil and using the FG instead, and monitoring the output voltage with the output side of the circuit connected, I think. Or if the circuit's own oscillator can be swept in frequency, that is the very best way to do it: sweep frequencies until the output voltage peaks.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9ZN5QJZClY