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johnny874

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2012, 08:25:00 PM »
You just wait. Someday, when I can get out of bed, I'll build the world's best perpetual motion machine, using a 2000 year old design, and I'll keep the patent all to myself. So there. Right now though you people are keeping me from doing anything. If I only had a family I'd show you all. But the Army put my family into poverty. I went to tech school to learn how to use a lathe, but I can't stand up for long and I got a chip in one eye plus I can't hear either, so nobody would let me use their lathe after a while. I've missed the best part of my life because people are thinking things about me. But you'll see. I'm going to stop posting and just build something, the best perpetual machine ever. I'll build a Bessler wheel, then I'll build an overunity lever, then I'll build a Heron's Fountain that doesn't use gravity at all, it will work in zero g because it uses vacuum instead of pressure. As soon as I have my next three surgeries and the doctors let me walk, I'll start building something, if they haven't stolen all my tools. They did before, you  know, just to keep me and my inventions from seeing the light of day.

You'll see.

I'm going to stop posting now. Good bye.



And if people would just let me, I'll save the world with my inventions.






But I'm going to stop posting here because you are all a bunch of conspirators preventing me from getting anywhere or living my life. I'm going to go away now and stop posting.

Bye now.

  You know tinsel, you remind me of people I used to work with. They got me fired when I tried to meet a woman. I think they were bored with their wives/lives or what ever, just like you are.
  If you understood anything about engineering which you don't, you might have seen financial opportunity instead of an opportunity to attack me. I think that's funny.
 A working Perpetual Heron Fountain would probably be worth something and that is a good reason for Bill to tell me he doesn't believe in patents. he'd like to see me screwed because I'm not friends with Alan.
 Kind of why this forum sucks any more, it's been taken over by a few bored people that still think they're in junior high school.
 And what ever I do, you don't matter. You think you do but between you and Bill, your opinion of me doesn't matter. and I think that is something you can't stand. you have to belittle someone so you can think you have something going on, just like Bill ignoring me and then talking about me. That's not ignoring someone, after all, I am still in his thoughts.
 And I have posted this design on youtube and let most people who have built Heron's Fountains know about it in case they might want to try it and they might. After all, they wouldn't be playing forum politics would they ? Nope, they'd be doing something because they find it interesting. Simply put tk, you are a classless person.

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2012, 08:48:04 PM »
Your "design" is another bunch of illiterate sketches of something that doesn't work. You continue to pollute this thread and others with your self pity, your blaming of others for your failures, and your paranoid delusions, not to mention your gratuitous insults. You talk and complain, complain and talk, make your little sketches, but you NEVER BUILD ANYTHING. You cannot PROVE ME WRONG about anything, and your continuing failures to make anything that works.... prove that you are wrong about what you contend.

The most laughable thing of all is that you do the same thing that the rest of your tribe does: You say "goodbye" on a daily basis.... but you never actually leave.

Go ahead.... sneak away from all those people who are preventing you, suppressing you, getting you fired, stealing your ideas... go ahead, stand up for yourself for a change and build something that PROVES ME WRONG.

Sadly.... hilariously.... you cannot.

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2012, 10:21:01 PM »
Your "design" is another bunch of illiterate sketches of something that doesn't work. You continue to pollute this thread and others with your self pity, your blaming of others for your failures, and your paranoid delusions, not to mention your gratuitous insults. You talk and complain, complain and talk, make your little sketches, but you NEVER BUILD ANYTHING. You cannot PROVE ME WRONG about anything, and your continuing failures to make anything that works.... prove that you are wrong about what you contend.

The most laughable thing of all is that you do the same thing that the rest of your tribe does: You say "goodbye" on a daily basis.... but you never actually leave.

Go ahead.... sneak away from all those people who are preventing you, suppressing you, getting you fired, stealing your ideas... go ahead, stand up for yourself for a change and build something that PROVES ME WRONG.

Sadly.... hilariously.... you cannot.

  >> You continue to pollute this thread   <<
 In the thread about milcovik's pendulum, all you and pirate88719 did was to pollute it. You mentioned nothing about the pendulum or the design.
 >>  , but you NEVER BUILD ANYTHING  <<
 I do build, but just as you didn't show your fountain for almost a week, showing work is not a requirement. It is possible someone else may understand it in seeing it under construction and jump the build because they can.
 >>   build something that PROVES ME WRONG. <<
 You got that right, it is about proving you wrong. Alan was the same way. All he did was harass me while I WAS building. Never have seen him build anything in this forum.
 And the last point, why are people like you who do not believe perpetual motion possible in this forum pretending to be interested in it ? You are the one who is in the wrong place.
 And tk, here is something I posted and was building while being treated for cancer. Couldn't get Mr. Credible, AB Hammer to leave me alone.
Don't need him telling me what I can and can't do. Yet he said what ever problem he has is worse than having cancer. Talk about having friends for jokes. And yep, he took the thread over and made it about him, him, chim and nothing but him.
 Maybe my attitude in here has come from being attacked for building while so called experts won't even discuss the feasability of something being perpetual. Maybe why I have learned what I have, while I've been in here i have been taking the time to better understand the challenge that is perpetual motion. It does take effort and time to learn, somethiing you experts don't have which is why all the attacks.
http://www.overunity.com/6900/my-current-build/

 p.s. And while you said I was polluting this thread, it was actually you nit picking me while I was trying to discuss how Heron's Fountain could be made perpetual. And yep, do believe i have it right. Just modifying what Heron did but you don't understand it. And once again, your attacks mentioned nothing of the design, nothing. So really, only a fool would have anything to prove to someone like you that can not make a reasonable opinion against the possibility of something working. I just haven't seen that in your attacks on me.
 and with you guys and heron's Fountain, would even consider overuntiy while working in an overunity forum, that's rich, lmao !

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2012, 01:37:07 AM »
You  haven't shown anything that works. You haven't shown anything that refutes any of my points. In fact, all you have shown is that you blame other people and your health for your inability to do anything. All you have is excuses and your mistaken ideas about gravity, leverage, pressure, buoyancy and so on.

It took me a couple of hours to build my fountain. You, with all your skills and ability and intelligence, could probably build YOUR OWN, if only people would stop harassing you and distracting you, and if only your illnesses would let you do anything other than TYPE.

And if you could only build your own, and plumb it like you have shown, you will see just how very wrong you are. But you aren't going to be doing that, are you.... somebody has you tied to your bed, you can't afford scrap plastic and glue, and you live too far from a hardware store to be able to buy tubing. Besides, your tummy hurts. Aww..... poor you. If only you felt better, you'd show us all, with your... what is it now, four or five different perpetual motion machines.... you've got a whole gallery of them. Too bad you feel so lousy.... the world could really use a Saviour right now, and you know you're it, don't you Jim.... if only you weren't so sick and weak and constantly being held back by people like me.

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2012, 04:49:31 AM »
  you're sounding jealous tk. I mean just because I have 3 different ideas and you don't have any. Of course Bessler's wheel isn't mine.
 If you,d like to pay for my shop space and materials, I could work more quickly. Right now I have to deal with reality because of the income I am losing from not being anle to work. You sound like you're finacially independent and don't need to work. And once again you're attacking me without mentioning engineering. Believe that's all you have.
 Anybody with build experience would think this would be a good time for me to review my idea's and see if I can't improve them while reducing my costs. I do have to be concerned about how much I can afford to spend right now and your only concern is getting your ego stroked. Do need to wonder what your friends see in you, it can't be much.

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2012, 08:21:19 AM »
Facepalm. If only this, if only that, can't afford this, they are keeping you from that.... and  "you must be financially independent TK" ..... you are indeed a fool, can't even write your own script. Too bad you can't stand on your own two feet--- you'd make a fair standup comic.

It's very convenient for you that you can't do anything but whine. Because if you ever DID get out of bed and build one of your silly "ideas" you'd find out how wrong you really are. But that won't stop you, will it. You probably have more silly non-workable ideas in a day than I do in a week. Why don't you go do some research for a change, since you are incapable of doing any work.

Here's something mechanical I built a long time ago, and I'm showing it here just to refute your silly accusations and assumptions about me. Machined to tolerances of 0.0001 inch, every bit made by me from metal stock, runs on a very small pressure differential of 2 psi, illustrates a clever mechanism. No levers? Awwww.... shucks.  Let's see your levers then, Jimbo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeyHiEpT6ZU



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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2012, 03:37:49 PM »
  you know what I like about you ? You are showing the way some people are about.
 And as you say, if I have more than one idea, I must be the Second Coming of Jesus, after all, you think you that smart.
 One thing I do that you won't is discuss other peoples ideas with them.
 That is the problem with people like, you have to screw someone over because you want everyone to think you have some thing going on which if you didm you wouldn't be bothering me.
 like say, I can't work according to my situation but should answer to you when you don't know crap about engineering or the build I want to do. This means you're another jerk just like Alan,

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2012, 03:48:54 PM »
tinselkoala, you are slippery as a snake. you show you machinec someting and alan would show his armor.
if you machined it to the tolerance you claim, doubt it was done on a used mill. everybody knows mills develop twice your tolerane in play because metal does wear.
 I think you're full of shit.
 If you want to refute what I say, discuss engineering but I know you're not capable of that.
 it's like alan always told me, it's all about who's more aggressive anc rhat's all you got.

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2012, 05:52:19 PM »
tinselkoala, you are slippery as a snake. you show you machinec someting and alan would show his armor.
if you machined it to the tolerance you claim, doubt it was done on a used mill. everybody knows mills develop twice your tolerane in play because metal does wear.
 I think you're full of shit.
 If you want to refute what I say, discuss engineering but I know you're not capable of that.
 it's like alan always told me, it's all about who's more aggressive anc rhat's all you got.

The poor mechanic always blames his tools. And you have just revealed how poor you are. Accuracy is in the machinist, not the machine. You have no idea what you are talking about and you are calling me a liar and saying that I am full of shit. And in another thread you accuse ME of stalking YOU! What a paranoid, deluded individual you are.

That little Scotch Yoke motor wouldn't even turn if it didn't have the accuracy and precision I stated. IT RUNS ON 2 PSI. You call me a liar and tell me I'm full of shit......  I tell you to produce something, ANYTHING, comparable at all. But you cannot. You are just a talker, and not a very good one either, because whenever you are challenged or shown to be wrong, you fall back on your tried and true tactic: You insult, lie, and start blaming other people for your own inability to perform.

I am indeed capable of discussing engineering -- and the people who issued me my degrees and certifications agree with me on that little matter --  mister "Cubic inches of surface area", but there is no point in doing it with you, because you don't even have the necessary common language and you refuse to educate yourself. Your silly sketches have nothing to do with engineering and any bright ten year old can tell you at a glance that they won't work. None of them ! And if you knew how to calculate moments and arms, torques and forces, pressures and volumes, energy and momentum,  you'd see it for yourself. But you cannot. Cubic inches of surface area! Three times in two separate posts, and NOT a typo! Cubic inches per inch !!!

We know you can't build anything. We know you can't do math. We know you don't understand machining, or machine tools. All you really seem to be able to do is to insult people and lie about them. But you don't even do that very well, since your insults and lies are so easily refuted with facts and references and demonstrations.

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2012, 07:33:21 PM »
The poor mechanic always blames his tools. And you have just revealed how poor you are. Accuracy is in the machinist, not the machine. You have no idea what you are talking about and you are calling me a liar and saying that I am full of shit. And in another thread you accuse ME of stalking YOU! What a paranoid, deluded individual you are.



http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/15/#.UEOTqnmYTTo
reply 23 to pirate88719.
 here's a way you might try it Bill, just trying to be helpful.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5LpJAR3cM0
his reply to me, reply #28
TK and all:

I have old Johnny on ignore and can't see what he is posting...I am sure I am not missing much.  Ignore is such a great feature.
tinselkoala's "build", http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlLYD4CSJLU
and if you look at the 4:00 minute mark, he doesn't explain why adding the straw to the outlet tube slows down the flow of water almost enough to stop it.
 And what I posted , reply #27;
 TK,
 the reason the flow slowed so much when you put the straw on the discharge tube is because the weight of the static head increased. but with what I drew, only one chamber is necessary because of a barrier which can be over flowed. that is what would allow for it possibly going perpetual.

  And what tinselkoala is now saying;
We know you can't build anything. We know you can't do math. We know you don't understand machining, or machine tools. All you really seem to be able to do is to insult people and lie about them. But you don't even do that very well, since your insults and lies are so easily refuted with facts and references and demonstrations.

  The attached pic is a build I could finish if I felt like it. But then as tinselkoala has maintained, it is about proving something to him. It's not.
 The people on youtube that I sent the link to about the modification I believe would allow it to work perpetually are people that find it interesting.
 As for one reason I do not need to build, my doctors and my employer both agree that i need to resolve my medical problems before returning to work. I work for Amazon.com and not tinselkoala, something he has missed.
 

 btw tinself koala, this is all about you,right ? After all, you are the one who jumped into a thread I started and started harassing me with your first post. I mean the words "you blew it" refering to me were posted for what reason ? It's all on you. Of course, someone else posted they think it's funny when you correct someone, but you didn't correct me.
 I guess AB Hammer was right when he said this forum is all about who the most aggressive person is.

edited to add, and once again tinself koala, your attacks omit engineering. you only want me to prove something to you so you can tell everyone even jim has to do what I want. I don't live for your happiness nor your approval.
 You remind me of a preacher that used to harass me at work, it turned out he didn't read the Bible unless it was to tell someone what they had to do, he didn't know any other scripture. I guess one thing you don't know about me is I had to change careers from machining to warehousing because of problems my hearing loss cause. Also went to school for machining.
 So why don't you bother someone else or show something yourself that is a mechanical build using levers. You can't for the simple reason is that you are a lost little boy when it comes to mechanical engineering.
 And if anyone takes the time to look in other parts of the forum, I rarely if ever post there because I like to stick with what I know.

edited to add; yep, -people are checking out my design  :D

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2012, 05:05:24 PM »
  @all,
 tomorrow I'll post a video showing two tubes next to each other. one will have a slightly higher fluid level which is not considered possible.
 what it is is basic proof that modifying Heron's Fountain could work perpetually.

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2012, 06:40:57 PM »
   @All,
 I am quite excited. I just played the video back on my television and the discrepancy between the two static heads was much more than I thought,
 In the video, I open the container to show it is in accordance with my claims.
 I have decided to name my discovery Heron's Effect because it was his work that lead me to my discovery.
 This concept will require otber people to try it. I will not be asking anyone in this forum to validate my work. Other people on youtube I am sure will find tbis worth trying and possibly making it perpetual.

    Johnny

edited to add; was hoping my work on Bessler's wheel would get me an honorary
engineering degree, I hope this coesn't derail those plans because I would find that very disappointing.

p.s., the reason given for what you will be seeing in the video I will be posting is impossible is something called the capillary effect.

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2012, 09:19:38 PM »
  @tinself koala,
 u disappoint me
ou is impossible. alan knows this.
 one thing I do know is I can't prove it.
 y there is youtube.

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2012, 09:34:21 PM »
  could someone please humor me and tell me how stupid I am ?

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Re: Modified Heron's Fountain
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2012, 10:32:37 PM »
  tk@
 
i will remember u juzt as I remember alan.