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Author Topic: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity  (Read 121747 times)

Offline Pascuser

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2012, 01:08:58 AM »
Same experiment here:
http://www.conspirovniscience.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=922&view=findpost&p=24375

The amplifier used is the same used by Richard VIALLE when the looped circuit was performed (self powering device, recharging battery used to power the device while outputting 10 watts constantly during months). This amplifier was not working anymore since early 2008 because the transistor burnt in an accident, Richard VIALLE could not have negative power again with new 2SC2312 Mitsubishi (as said) transistor bought new, because transistor 2SC2312 were changed... he thought!

But latest informations given to us allowed a new departure: Mitsubishi 2SC2312 were falsificated by Chineese (fake ones) and so we could determine with pictures of fake that Richard bought fake ones... so it could be the explanation why the amplifier was no more working. J-L naudin and me wo ordered new GUENINE transistors, and he first obtained a new working negative power system operational, and me too.

Without this amplifier we had real overunity, but not enough to compensate amplifier losses (all measurements made up to now). With these transistors we have a negative power, compensating amplifier losses and a complete overunity system. So there is no more trouble to make a new loop now. These transistors are the key: 2SC2312 and 2SC1969.

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2012, 02:17:08 PM »
Woww!!

Very well done Pascal and JLN

magnifique resultat bravo à vous et à Richard Vialle

Following your work and immense motivation to replicate.

Good luck at all

Laurent

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2012, 03:50:24 PM »
These transistors are the key: 2SC2312 and 2SC1969.

@Pascuser:

Where did you buy the transistors 2SC2312 and 2SC1969? I could not find them at Farnell.

There is the transistor 2SC3263 (VCBO VCEO 230 V, IC 15A, 60 MHz, audio and general purpose), which costs EUR 3,72 at Farnell?
http://at.farnell.com/allegro-sanken/2sc3263/transistor-npn-to-3p/dp/1192129

I see that you used 7,2 MHz and 5,8 MHz in your replication. When using different frequencies, should not be there a different capacitor in parallel to the resistor? (Mr. Naudin uses C4 = 27pF in http://jnaudin.free.fr/rvproject/html/ugentest22.htm)

In the last photo of http://jnaudin.free.fr/rvproject/html/ugentest21.htm, Mr. Naudin also uses a capacitor (470pf + 500 pF variable) in parallel to the drive coil?

What is your opinion on the frequency (3.6 MHz, 7.2 MHz, 5.8 MHz) and the parallel capacitors (over the drive coil, and over the output resistor)? Your and Mr. Naudin's experience would be very valuable for future replicators. Are these capacitirs essential or can one compensate by changing the frequency?


I am very excited about your and Mr. Naudin's tests, this is what I was hoping for. Good documentation and good measurements.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2012, 12:09:37 AM »
There was an error in component specifications. Ceramic resistor used to measure output power was said non inductive by the vendor, but after a verification this afternoon (measurement with oscilloscope with the help of a real non inductive resistor) it WAS inductive.

So output power calculations are not good. I should have tested it before the experiment; I did it this afternoon. So the step is not yet passed. We stay on COP measurement (overunity output VS U input) with not yet the ability to compensate the powering system.  (not yet overunity output VS U input + amplifier powering losses)

Here messages about it:
http://www.conspirovniscience.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=922&view=findpost&p=24401
http://www.conspirovniscience.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=922&view=findpost&p=24408

So step will continue in what Richard VIALLE did (he never succeded in doing what we claimed with the ceramic, but succeded in overunity with negative power, it is the following step to have a loop); as engaged since 10 days.

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2012, 12:52:43 AM »
OK

Thanks Pascuser for your honesty and quick rectification

so i am always very motivated to step in

so my begin in replication

hope this will encourage some of you to join the replication

good luck at all

Laurent

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2012, 12:52:43 AM »
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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2012, 08:11:40 AM »
OK

Thanks Pascuser for your honesty and quick rectification

so i am always very motivated to step in

so my begin in replication

hope this will encourage some of you to join the replication

good luck at all

Laurent

Thank you for your comments.

Yes, at least the first replication device in this topic! As with null number of replication up to now, I thought before fench men were the only one able to bend a copper tube :D

So you will be able to do your own measurement and tests, and this is valuable as to do your own measurements. You will be able to make you own COP overunity measurement.

I don't understand why other people here with electronic equipment did not do such measurement at home, to see that with no trick at all we have more output power from the autogenerateur than consumed on his input... the one with an oscilloscope and function generator, two metal resistors and a copper tube with winding can do it and test everything.

From the starting of this topic I was here to have people doing the same and stating themselves, instead of being suspicious and only argue with words in their mouth as only tool. Because the device itself is so easy to do: a copper tube, you bent it, you wind. And no more.

Function generator with no amplifier is enough for all first tests, to demonstrate overunity. Oscillocope to do mthe measurement. I fist thought tahn on overunity forums there would be people with a function generator and an ocilloscope, maybe not everybody; but a lot; so what remains (a copper tube) is so easy ... that a testing was the first thing to do; and why I went here.

You are the first one willing not only to speak and watch, but doing! This is valuable. Why others did not do the same I can't understand.

Glad to see your beginning. I will help you with advices if you need.

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2014, 04:25:38 PM »
OK

Thanks Pascuser for your honesty and quick rectification

so i am always very motivated to step in

so my begin in replication

hope this will encourage some of you to join the replication

good luck at all

Laurent



Hi Woopy, or Anyone,

May I ask you why this thread came to a sudden end back in Oct.2012 as it looked kind of promising with even JLN showing some good documented results.

Can you shed some light on the demise of this thread??

I know that most of the info was coming to us from a French forum and I may have lost the answer in some of the back and forth translations there.--so, just curious to know what happened to it though.

Thanking you in advance,

Paul

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2014, 04:25:38 PM »
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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #52 on: January 16, 2014, 09:18:35 PM »
These topics are hot topics with research and new interesting developments on the french forum with french men.

As nobody never showed interest here except woopy I never went here to give more in english. I never ended translations since nobody was interested with it. I only read attacks here, except woopy working on it. The stime spent to make subtitles for the interview showing the whole work of Richard VIALLE never gave any return; so all the work is english was only equal to zero return, so I adde zero work. An experimental work was much more interesting than speaking in a space with only echos answering.

We succeded (I say we, but it is not me because, it is another person, there are many researchers on this subject) in having back energy on the input with an amplifying aspect, usable.

The U generator has been proved many times overunity; I did it many times, JLN did it many times and measured it by other kind of apparatus; and three other person measured many times and published it, all on the french forum. An official website centralises these resultats (in french!). As nobody showed interest in english speaking world, we did not make any other efforts.

The system can have an enormous COP, 2 or 100 or 1000 or 10000 or infinity if you want. But this is something not understood here; although I explained it many times: yes there is huge COP; and people don't believe it. Because they DON'T read what I wrote and only explained what is in their mind in a cycling way; they thing that it should work as in their mind.

As I explained it, the system has a COP up to infinity, but not because output grows, but because input diminushes. For example you have 100mW output with 80mW input. If you set up the device more correctly, you will have 100mW output for 20mW input and with fine tuning you can have 100mW output for 0,5mW input; and fore some other tuning you can have 100mW output with -20mW input (yes the input doesn' consume but delivers power while output delivers power too!). But you only have 100mW.

People not reading say "you are a liar with a 1 000 000 COP, you would use it to power your house". They say that because they DON'T read anything and only speak in an empty space. You CAN'T power anything because your 1 000 000 COP does mean that you still have 100mW output for only 0.0001 mW input. Only the input is reduced, the output doesn't vary. You can have negative input, so it is free, but small output only, constant (in fact varying with input, but not in orders of the input, so you can have 80mW of output power if input is 0.5mW and 100mW of output power if input is 20mW. Lets say to simplify that output powers is the same because it varies not much; but input varies very very much).

But with 100mW, you don't power anything. What was the way of research has always been to grow up output power. We could have some watts; only about 5Watts to 7Watts, no more with a little COP only COP=2 for this greater output power.

The inventor was seeking to have a usable power not on the output, but on the input;, since with negative power on the input you can't define what is COP. The COP grows because the device delivers its overunity power as a substraction on the input, and not as an addition to the input. It is why you can reduce input to zero (COP= infinity) and even input negatice (COP not defined). So he worked this way and there have been results.

I know that someone on the french forum wants to spread again informations on the net in english about this work; and I gave the advice NOT to spend time going on overunity since it was a lost time, nobody working on it. People want to have time on fake researches with attractinbg promises. The U generator has nothing to attract with giant promises, but it has showed a clear overunity. Only this aspect is thr biggest, scientific and published measurement showing the reality of overunity clearly. But we don't announce kilowatts of output like many others, and nobody takes times to understand that a COP=1 000 000 anouncement is not fake because the don't understand the basic way it is true and only imagine "let us inject 10watts input, we have 10 000 000 watts output, this is not reasonnable and you lie". Yes this is not reasonnable because IT IS NOT with this conditions it works; you don't decide inputs, it is not a multiplier machine. I never said that you have 10 000 000W output, but when people imagine and you say it is not that way, they only go elsewhere and say tyou are a liar. This has been what I saw on overunity, so not spending more time for this kind of person.

Another thing: the electronic artillery you have to use to inject the input power is actually huge (because of function generator and voltage amplifier with big losses, classic electronic devices). So when you want to inject let's say 20mW of input power you will spend maybe 10Watts for this electronic; and you will get output power 100mW. So the device is clearly overunity COP=100mW/20mW=5 and this is a physic anomaly. But as you had to spend 10watts to have a net gain of 100mW-20mW=80mW you have nothing usable if you look at the whole chain going from batteries to power the whole electronic to the output. Since 80mW=10W=0.08/10=0.008 you have nothing gained! So I I said, we don't offer the moon. We offer real overunity, output VS input. But the way it works did not allow anything more.

It is why the inventor made some other tries. In fact with some tunings there has been possible to power a 10watts lamp with no battery consuling (batteries powering the whole chain recharging!); but this has been done in old work with sponsors of the inventor not wanting to share. I replicated it my best and two times I could have a no battery depletion with output of somes watts during more than one hour. But I could do it only two times.

So I said that the inventor tried other ways to have usable power and there has been more success like this. The detail I won't explian here because english is not my native language.

So if you are interested to read more about it, and in english, you can wait that the forum member makes translations and spreads it, but don't even think to find it on overunity: I told him not to lose time going here.

Sorry for this bad english, since french men understand better english than they write it.
Thanks for your interest.

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #53 on: January 16, 2014, 11:19:47 PM »
I don't find useful information about the U... what is important about it?  The length?  The number of turns? the gauge of the outer wire?  Is the copper U driven or is the coil on it driven?  is there a design criteria?  I tried to go through the french forum but just saw testing information not construction information

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #54 on: January 16, 2014, 11:47:40 PM »
All replication notes are indicated in the posts at the beginning here:
http://www.overunity.com/12639/richard-vialles-new-theory-about-negative-mass-and-overunity/msg337174/#msg337174

http://www.overunity.com/12639/richard-vialles-new-theory-about-negative-mass-and-overunity/msg337176/#msg337176

I had beginned a translation, never achieved because of no interest in english world.
Here is the unfinished translation of the document concrning the 1st generation of autogenerateur:
http://zedico.info/Extraits_Publics/Pascuser/selfgenerator_1.pdf

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #55 on: January 17, 2014, 12:20:06 AM »
All replication notes are indicated in the posts at the beginning here:
http://www.overunity.com/12639/richard-vialles-new-theory-about-negative-mass-and-overunity/msg337174/#msg337174

http://www.overunity.com/12639/richard-vialles-new-theory-about-negative-mass-and-overunity/msg337176/#msg337176

I had beginned a translation, never achieved because of no interest in english world.
Here is the unfinished translation of the document concrning the 1st generation of autogenerateur:
http://zedico.info/Extraits_Publics/Pascuser/selfgenerator_1.pdf


Hi Pascuser,

Thanx so much for getting back to us on this thread. I can understand your concerns about the English speaking experimenters not jumping on this sooner.

As d3x0r says there seemed to be a lot of information about  building this, was missing for us --but  I attribute this to the lack of understanding the French texts and translations etc.

There is another member "Khwartz" was getting on to this (on the Dally thread today)and I believe he is  bi lingual (English/French).  He and maybe  "Woopy" may be able to help you out in some of the translations for us -in helping us build and test this apparatus.

Looking forward to hearing from all of you.

Paul



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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #56 on: January 17, 2014, 03:11:34 AM »

Hi Pascuser,

Thanx so much for getting back to us on this thread. I can understand your concerns about the English speaking experimenters not jumping on this sooner.

As d3x0r says there seemed to be a lot of information about  building this, was missing for us --but  I attribute this to the lack of understanding the French texts and translations etc.

There is another member "Khwartz" was getting on to this (on the Dally thread today)and I believe he is  bi lingual (English/French).  He and maybe  "Woopy" may be able to help you out in some of the translations for us -in helping us build and test this apparatus.

Looking forward to hearing from all of you.

Paul
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Yes and thanks for kindly resharing the links :)


@else
uhmm ya; tesla hairpin circuit? With a closed shunt? 


Edit; apparently not all incarnations are bent. 
I have a coil that is 1000 turns of probably 24Gauge magnet wire... I should be able to put my signal generator across that and stuff some wires in the end and use the air core... so a length of electrical cord with all conductors shorted as the short, and a resistor across another connection....


at certain frequencies I can get a opposed differential on both ends... I attached a scope 2 probes also one to each end, and shorted their common to the signal generator ground; but it was very low voltage...


I maybe need to find low voltage lights

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #57 on: January 17, 2014, 12:34:24 PM »
Hi all! Sorry for silence (well, I suppose few would say "don't be sorry, Khwartz, we were so very pleased you go else where a little time ;) ), but the spreading of the results and basic theory of Richard Vialle's autogénérateur need some agreement, organisation and time for translation.

I was about to find something really relevant to show you first and for me nothing is more relevant than a curve of COP well calculated with checking of all peers. So here are some praphics which should speak by themselves:
@ Pascuser. And all.

Dear Pascal, I very understand you no more wanted to hear about this Web site and its community because of the huge amont of time you should have spent in your try here to spread Richard's work and try to get some help here.

Nevertheless, I would like to support or work in France by posting here the current results and trying to answer the questions which would be asked here (even I am not a specialist of! You and others in the forum of Conspirovniscience are infinitly more about the Richard's Autogen), to encourage the study of the "RA" and try to get the breaking of the problems of the amplification and frequency generator consuption, and the problem of low output.

Above is the original post in the "Kapanadze daily free..." thread in OU.com I had made a call for help.

No, I am not bilangua and I am very slow to type cause often on a mobile and it is huge work to try this because I am always running out of time thanks to my professional obligations :/

I just will try my best but please be patient for any answer and new posts.  And of course, if the interest is maintained, any other help would be welcome to answer the questions (as I am not a specialist of the question myself I would rather prefer to focus only on spreading the French results and documents written by others than me, that I could try to translate).


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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #58 on: January 17, 2014, 12:36:40 PM »
Here the link the the page of the discussion:


http://www.conspirovniscience.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=941&st=210&#entry31959

Here is the translation of one of the comments of Colas07 who made these measurements, largely confirmed by other experimenters and still rather closed to the predictions of Richard Vialle's theory:


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I feed a 12V 5W light bulb
It consumnes 0.75W while the "U" [the "core" of Richard's autogen which has a U shape] only consumes 0.02W
COP = Pout / Pin = 0.7 / 0.02 = 35 but yes! A completly crazy thing!
I have done several times again the measurements in the same conditions and always the same!

I have taken my probe and a 50mA caliber multimeter at 330Khz directly on a light bulb and both give the same values....probe = OK!

 I don't know why I am at 4.807Mhz and not at 3.6Mhz...it differs from Richard's predictions.


 for the moment I don't see any error.... it is time to go on the next step.

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Note from the translator: The theoretical power of a Richard's Autogen with a "U" of 1 m is 6 kW, which is in agreement with the several "burning circuits incidents" now registred while encounter this kind of power.

A call is made presently for help for reducing the consuption of the electronic stages.

Indeed, if we obtain even infinite COP in real while making the ratio output under input of the "U", as predicted by Richard's theory, we are hardly going up to 1.8 of COP, or just stay underunity, while making the ratio output of the U under input of the electronics which feeds the U. So we would much appreciate help from you guys if you are skill in these matter to reduce consumption in the electronic stage.

Cheers.


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