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Offline Pascuser

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2012, 05:21:14 PM »
File concerning the pigtail and its effect concerning gravity anomalies (french version only for now):
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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2012, 05:33:56 PM »
@Pascuser:

In your video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxFZmGKP4UI and in Naudin's tests http://jnaudin.free.fr/rvproject/html/ugentest6.htm I see that

one needs a very high input (into the U-shaped coil) in order to get a small output (via the light bulb at the copper tubes).

In Naudin's test the input is about 6 Watt (205 mA at 29,5 Volt) and the output (via the lamp) is about 0,6 Watt (100 mA at 6 Volt).

The fact that the input does not change (in Naudin's test) whether the lamp is connected or not is interesting but can not prove OU.

So, my question: Why do you claim OU?

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: Imagine a radio station (radio wave transmitter). The power input to the radio station does not change whether the people turn on their radios (radio wave receivers) or not.

Sorry, I yet said that I did not spend more time to explain what was yet explained.

Naudin did not measure overunity yet. Mosfet drivers dissipates much power in his amplifier (very hot). What goes inside the input is NOT what is consumed and dissipated by the mosfet to feed the input. This is obvious for every measurement: when you power on your oscilloscope to measure the voltage accross a circuit and calculate what is its consumption, you don't add the oscilloscope consumption of 100Watts to the consumption you are measuring of 1watt to say "it consumes 101 Watt".

You don't seem to have ever measured a COP in any device system for somebody bored with new systems because you have studied so much old systems.

If you don't believe int his device, don't ask about. If you want to have overunity, do the replication. All was explained in the french document as to do the device and to have overunity. I won't reply anymore about it if you don't make it. No replication = no explaination to give. Consider this is not an interesting experiment for you if what was given is not good for you.

If you have something to replicate, I will with pleasure help to tune and measure, if not, don't ask, as YET mentionned. Thanks. I am not a data bank to inform you about how electricity works, what is a power, what you must do or not, what you don't understand in Naudin measurements, etc because it is not my job. You must be a little bit skilled in electricity to know what you do. If not, wait that another one does it and watch what he will find, with no comment about what he did is wrong only because you don't know what must be done.

With no anger, but as yet mentionned NO time to spend for what is not important.

What os more, your example of radio station shows that you did not understand what Naudin did. The purpose was to show that output was not a derivation of input by a capacitive way between winding and U copper bar. In a radio station you don't ask this question. This WAS not a overunity measurement. Sorry that all this is writtend in french, but I won't do more about this. Wait further Naudin tests.


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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2012, 04:07:18 PM »
I pluged again my U autogenerateur overunity electric generator, replication of Richard VIALLE's one.
I made COP measurements since I never made COP measurements with the U only with the linear autogenerateur (1st version).

Measurements and experiments are rrported here:
http://www.conspirovniscience.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=922

I could clearly show a COP>1 and the way you can choose to have the COP value you want.
In a first experiment I have COP=1,2
In the next one I have COP=1,7
Then I show how you can have COP as big as you want, 10 or 100 or 1000 or 100 000 or 1 000 000 or infinite! Then you have something new: no COP can be calculated because now you produce energy while you are consuming.

I showed how this COP measurement is of no meaning for the new behavior of this system. You have a COP>1 but you have much more. You have a negative power production coming back to input.
This is the mechanism explaining the COP value as big as necessary: the output power is the same (diminushes slightly but little) while you diminush input power, and a production electric power comes back as a feedback to the input, and SUBSTRACTS to what you inputted.

So Your input can be reduced to as extent as you want, with an ouput slightly diminushed: so the COP=output/intput=nearly the same/what you want as nerby 0 as you want = infinity if you want.

This is for COP measurement and everybody can do it like me. You need to build the U generator, an oscillocope (with a ground isolated from earth, either a PC based oscilloscope with no ground or a classic standard oscilloscope with a ground transformer to isolate from earth ground) and a function generator.

What is more interesting in the system is to have more output power. Since you have an infinite COP, you have the same output power (it is the reduction of input used power that produces big COP).
This is the next step that Richard VIALLE did. He produced 10Watt instead of only 100mW with an output tuning (read the document to know more). And one times he could produce 300 000V arcing back to the input accidentally. This is the work to do... to have more power; when you understand that COP is overunity.

Overunity doesn't mean that you have the output power you want, but is only a ratio (output VS inout). A overunity is yet a big victory against the science system claiming it doesn't exist. But shutting off the system is not enough if you don't have a big output power to use it at home... So a research must be done to have a bigger power.

Jean-Louis Naudin made a web page to present my last results here:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/rvproject/html/pascuser_rep1.htm

For the moment onlyfrench people are doing replication. Here I gave you infoirmations to do the same work. Again nobody asks you to understand all theory, you just have to do a replication and measure yourself. Many time wasted here in many subjects with hight cost. Here it is a low cost if you have some minimal equipement and skilled a little bit to kno what you are doing. So easy to do... but up to now only french replications.

I did not make an english translation yet of the documents, but I have no time to do all this for the moment, it will be done later. You can do the replication with a basic google translation.

As yet told here, I am here to present something that you can DO yourself.

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2012, 07:01:43 PM »
Thank you Pasuser for presenting your measurements.

I think I understand now better what you are talking about.

But I do not see a way to exploit this "U autogenerateur" in any practical way. The generation of the input signal (which you are doing with a function generator and Naudin is doing with a special circuit) always seems to consume more power than one can ever get out of the "U autogenerateur".

So, if the generation of the input signal would be for free, one could gain something. But this is not the case in the real world. Theoretically there would be OU, but to show it, one has to spend more power than ever comes out.

In addition I have to think longer and more carefully about the way you are doing the calculations. With 100 and 150 Ohms in the input line, one could argue, that one needs the resistor to generate the effect (so it can not be subtracted, it has to be there). And for a 1000 Ohm resister the OU still needs to be shown.

Only when the consumption of the coil (wound over the U shaped copper tube) plus the consumption of the resistor (where the measurement is done) is less than the current through the lamp, the argument becomes valid. (But still, the generation of the 3.6 MHz signal would not be for free).

Nevertheless, a very interesting effect. I hope Jean Louis Naudin does more measurements and comments on the calculation.

Greetings, Conrad


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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2012, 08:07:00 PM »
Thank you Pasuser for presenting your measurements.

I think I understand now better what you are talking about.

But I do not see a way to exploit this "U autogenerateur" in any practical way. The generation of the input signal (which you are doing with a function generator and Naudin is doing with a special circuit) always seems to consume more power than one can ever get out of the "U autogenerateur".

So, if the generation of the input signal would be for free, one could gain something. But this is not the case in the real world. Theoretically there would be OU, but to show it, one has to spend more power than ever comes out.

In addition I have to think longer and more carefully about the way you are doing the calculations. With 100 and 150 Ohms in the input line, one could argue, that one needs the resistor to generate the effect (so it can not be subtracted, it has to be there). And for a 1000 Ohm resister the OU still needs to be shown.

Only when the consumption of the coil (wound over the U shaped copper tube) plus the consumption of the resistor (where the measurement is done) is less than the current through the lamp, the argument becomes valid. (But still, the generation of the 3.6 MHz signal would not be for free).

Nevertheless, a very interesting effect. I hope Jean Louis Naudin does more measurements and comments on the calculation.

Greetings, Conrad

You are never happy with what you have. When I say that there is COP, you say it is not shown. When it is shown, you say it is useless.

But if you ever READ the doc (which is not the case because of repetitive question about the same things), YES here we show overunity but not a practical way to use it for your home!
It wad indicated in my report: this is a physic measurement.

Richard VIALLE made the U autogenerateur running in a loop with no consumption of input batteries, so YES there is a practical way to generate so much overunity that you can use it to compensate all input energy dissipated in the driver circuit. I yet wrote it many times.

The self running version was delivering constant 10W output power and no depleting batteries for many months.

And YES there is a way to have much more power, like Richard VIALLE showed it accidentally with 10 centimeters of spark on the input.

If conradelecktro is the only one answering in this post, because he does NO replication and only spends time to speak; always unhappy of what is done (he wants me to install a running U generateur in his home?!) I will no longer feed this post.

If overunity members are not able of more than what conradelkectro does, there is no reason for me to spend more time here. There is french workers doing replication, and if you want to spend your time in your garden to watch flowers and writing messages on the internet to spend what remains of your time, this is not a forum for me.

I thought that there would be SERIOUS people here, I was mistaken obviously.

French people seems more accurate to do good work than international one as I can see. This forum is useless if nobody does something valuable with a real investment in reading documentation and thinking about what was yet written. With no serious new reactions than Conradelektro (sorry, to be serious, you must start with a reading of writings, and DO something), you won't see me here more.

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
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Offline frankidel

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2012, 11:09:42 PM »
Salut Pascal, je me rend compte que sur ces forums, beaucoup parlent et personnes ne construisent, votre set-up semble très intéressant et en plus en francais, au moins je comprend.  merci pour les infos, continue ton bon travail.  tu sais il y a de l'avenir avec des scientifiques comme vous.  bonjour du québec.

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2012, 09:13:08 AM »
Merci!
Oui je suis très déçu par ces forums qui ont l'air remplis de mous qui ne font pas grand chose à par demander qu'on fasse tout pour eux. Un forum décevant de plus. Pour LA grande référence en la matière, ça donne une image de la nullité ambiante de l'ensemble du travail underground à ce sujet.

Heureusement l'ensemble du travail n'est pas à l'image du travail individuel de certains. Si vous êtes intéressés par cette thématique, vous savez où aller dans les zones en français. Quant à moi je quitte cet endroit inintéressant pour mon sujet et je vais aller poster ça ailleurs en anglais où d'autres travailleurs cachés existent peut être. Ici c'est de la confiture pour les cochons comme on dit (je ne sais pas si vous avez cette expression au Québec aussi?)

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2012, 09:17:07 AM »
You are never happy with what you have. When I say that there is COP, you say it is not shown. When it is shown, you say it is useless.

Richard VIALLE made the U autogenerateur running in a loop with no consumption of input batteries, so YES there is a practical way to generate so much overunity that you can use it to compensate all input energy dissipated in the driver circuit. I yet wrote it many times.

The self running version was delivering constant 10W output power and no depleting batteries for many months.

And YES there is a way to have much more power, like Richard VIALLE showed it accidentally with 10 centimeters of spark on the input.

@Pascuser:

You are making the most extraordinary claims (like Richard Vialle running an apparatus with no power input for months), but you do not show proof.

With all OU-devices it seems to be the same: in the best ones there is some hint (like your measurements), but the real self running machine never materialises.

You should not expect people to believe an OU claim. It goes against all things known so far.

Being angry is not productive.

If some one claims OU, the burden of proof is on him. You can not turn this around. Demanding that people build something does not solve your problem to produce irrefutable proof.

Yes, in the end, you have to be able to install somewhere a working device. In fact, you will have to show many working devices before someone takes this seriously. If you can not do that, you will not be believed.

You are just one person amidst thousands of people since more than a hundred years who claim to have an OU device. You have to see yourself from this perspective. How can anybody know you or Richard Vialle are the real masters who have done the most extraordinary thing in recent history? Just step back for a moment and then you will see, how others see you.

Richard Vialle is doing his thing for decades. Why has no working device materialised? There are understandable problems. But the people here can not solve them for you.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2012, 09:53:33 AM »
blabla bla bla.... and bla bla bla...


Showing proof...:(I showed!!!! It just happened that you DON'T EVER read messages, I have made videos to show, but you can't read what iw written, too busy in chatting on the internet)
DOING NOTHING: YOU DO NOTHING!!!!

blabla bla bla....

I can't expect more from somebody only chatting on the net!

"Greetings"
« Last Edit: October 02, 2012, 01:52:26 PM by Pascuser »

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2012, 12:13:50 PM »
Big COP has been measure with equipement I have not. I have no HF wattmeter nor physic test equipement of an official measurement institute.

But with a poor equipement you can have COP>300 or COP>500 as I got.

If you aren't interested of COP>1 process and need COP>10 000 measure to be interested, I can't do nothing.

Loop system has been described but I did not realize it myself beacuse electronic must be designed to have a low loss (because you have 10 watts only outoutting) oscillator+ pre-ampli+ampli and that costs a little. I have done affordable things: using the lab materiel I have.

Big COP have been measured at an official institute. What can be done is to give you the adress where the measurement was done. Do you wait that I buy such equipement for your pleasure? I am not a millionnaire. You can do like me and having hundreds of COp with little investment.

And you can design your own powering electronic device to have a loop if not convinced of your measurements. I have not designed such an electronic. But Richard VIALLE has had sponsors who did it. Their powering electronic is their intellecual property and will not be given; but it is not something weird: normal oscillator+ pre ampli+ ampli. I did not design it because it cots about 1000$ to design it as a self running system. For what? For a loop. But it will not give something more than a loop with 10 watts.

What is more interesting is to have more output power, so the loop will be easy: using output power to power lab material.

Anybody claiming proofs and demanding to have me or anybody buying material to have so can wait eternally. All is given here so everybody can do it himself and measure himself. If one is not satisfied, he can buy himsel material to measure or go to his local physic institute to bring his built replica and have his proof.

I am here to spread what has been made by Richard VIALLE. I made him myself, and one of his friend too. We verified that it worked are our mission on earth is not to satisfy everybody asking to do this or that to have their proof. I present what we get, honnestly; we did it with individual money and time and if you want to be fed with your ideally proof, you can provide yourself; I can't do more.

This is a working forum for people willing to work on project, this is not a drive service "please the proof, with film, reports, and hurry". We give what we have. You want to reproduce or test by yourself: it is great. You want more than we have: you won't have. if you want things like you want, do it yourself! YOU can test, measure and see. schema is affordable to reproduce for somebody with lab material (oscillator, generator , amplificator). If you have so it will cost additional 30$ to design the system, if you don't have, then see those who will do it. I myself could'nt do many things because I have not the material.

Dear Pascuser,
could you please ,like you kindly proposed ,give the address of the institute that made the measurements ?
I want to write them a letter about their test series concerning the device.
Thank you in advance
 

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #40 on: October 02, 2012, 01:50:11 PM »

Dear Pascuser,
could you please ,like you kindly proposed ,give the address of the institute that made the measurements ?
I want to write them a letter about their test series concerning the device.
Thank you in advance

Dear xenomorphlabs,

Thank you for a real interest in investigating. I was afraid overunity forums was only full of Trolls having the main occupation in debunking and chatting only; critic with no other foundation than being a Troll willing to discourage anybody to dig in the subjectc (the exact definition of a Troll).

So a serious reaction like yours is pretty interesting. Nobody asked to investigate before, and nobody seems to have seen the videos of experimentations here.
I yet wrote the name of the institute in the french document autogenerateur_1.pdf as you will find it. In french, I understand it to be difficult for you to find.
So I give it again:
"Ecole Polytechnique de Lausanne", in Swiss. it is a high school (university). I don't know the exact name of the service, it was a person working in the department concerning radio waves and sound, physic measurement service, who did it. This was done in 2007 I think. It was organised by Richard VIALLE's sponsors to have a measurement done in a professional environement. I don't know the sponsors name  but the Richard VIALLE's name is the key to seek.

You can have something more interesting: doing it at home. I made a video with the COP>1 measurement last sunday, as indicated in a previous post. J-L Naudin published my videos. So you have the exact way to do the measurement by yourself, you can watch the voltage indicators in my video, what I did and how, what I got, and do the same in your home; if you have a PC based oscilloscope or ground decoupled oscillocope. What I did is what was done is Lausanne, Swiss: a measurement with oscilloscope with a metal resistance (no leakage  inductance); so the same method.

The videos I yet spread here (only Troll reaction up to now); maybe you will find interest because you really investigate:
http://www.conspirovniscience.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=922&view=findpost&p=23667
http://www.conspirovniscience.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=922&view=findpost&p=23672
To better understand, you should use google translation to read my experiment report accompagnying the work, because there is no subitle for my videos. You can understand what is in the video with my written comments (with automatic google translation):
http://www.conspirovniscience.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=922

Troll: 1 - Serious searcher: 1  ---> balanced
Other serious people here to change the balance a little more in the good direction?

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2012, 09:12:44 PM »
@Pascuser


I have seen 'Interview - Richard VIALLE: Part 10 & Part 11' where he introduces the U-Shape device powered by an op-amp and this op-amp by a battery and claims negative power would load that battery. These oscillators consume power whether the device connected to them is OU or not.
But if power is floating back to the source, it is eventually enough to power an LC-Tank at the input side; simply feed the C with an initially voltage. When the load is connected to the U-Shape it should run.


@conradelectro : people like naudin and pascuser contribute to the OU-subject . I mean we should give them time to prove it. There are people who canÄt contribute , because of the lack of skills and another mean posters here that destract on purpose. (I am sick of them)


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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2012, 07:31:23 AM »
Thank you TheCell

If you are interested in this device and have some measurement material, then investment will be a little only: a copper tube and a wire for windings, so don't hesitate to do it.

I have some last informations concerning the loop device. There was a switcher piloting the amplifier so that negative power from the U autogenerateur recharges the battery powering the whole system.

This is schematic fort switcher and amplifier to control the U:
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/279112decoupeurmisenforme.jpg
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/217266amplificateurmiseenforme.jpg

Later, transistor 2SC2312 changed specifications and negative power could not come back from the amplifier with this amplifier. Only old 2SC2312 stocks (or 2SC1969) were working. Replacing it with a new one didn't work. The resistor Rce changed  and became nearby infinite in new spec and it was the imperfection Rce not infinite that allowed a negative power return in this amlplifier set up.

But MOSFET transistors have this imperfection of Rce not infinite (but much less than 2SC2312 at the time... Rce is great in MOsfet) and you have negative power with it (but much less!!). So use another amplifier with a MOSFET driver to connect to the switcher, unless this won't work. If you have 2SC2312 from before 2007 then the last schematic will work fine!!

Here are tests done with this last schematic (old 2SC2312) but Richard ex-sponsors: output was charging a 12V battery pack while 24V battery pack powering the oscillator + amplifier + switcher was charging too (with negative power return):
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/243674charge1miseenforme.jpg
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/685334charge2miseenforme.jpg

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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #43 on: October 23, 2012, 10:03:42 AM »
Mr. Jean Louis Naudin is showing some very interesting results:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/rvproject/html/ugentest21.htm

It is not easy to generate the 3.6 MHz sinusoidal signal necessary to run the U-shaped generator coil (needs a signal generator and a HF amplifier).

Not counting the cost of generating the input signal, there seems to be more power coming out of the U-shaped contraption than is put in.

Naudin's measurements:

Wattage of the sinusoidal 3.6 MHz signal fed into the U-shaped generator is 4.5 Watt (input).

Current through the lamp is 6.4 Watt (output).

The measurements and the experiment need some impressive array of equipment, because the 3.6 MHz signal has to be carefully tuned and measured (true RMS).

Naudin substracts losses due to the characteristic wave impedance (Wellenwiderstand, Reflexion) of the input coil from the input Wattage, but this detail (0.6 Watt) does not seem to matter too much given the significant difference between input and output.

This becomes interesting, because the set up and the measurements are very carefully done and documented. There also seems to be a lot of room for improvements (size of and material used for the U-shaped generator).

Greetings, Conrad


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Re: Richard VIALLE's new theory about negative mass and overunity
« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2012, 12:22:15 AM »
It gets even better, Mr. Jean Louis Naudin has demonstrated real OU:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/rvproject/html/ugentest22.htm

Input 19 Watt (including the losses in the HF amplifier).

Output 31.2 Watts (over a resistor).

This is the best OU result I have ever seen on any OU forum. And it is well documented. The measurements are done very carefully with professional equipment.

It is hard to see a flaw in this OU experiment. I am a sceptic, but what I see there amazes me.

One does not have to know French to understand the photos, diagrams and numbers on Naudin's web site.

Greetings, Conrad

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