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Author Topic: Low heat source electric generator  (Read 11651 times)

Offline DaS Energy

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Low heat source electric generator
« on: July 15, 2012, 10:15:52 AM »
 
Carbon Dioxide the weirdest gas ever. Begins as a block of Dry-Ice. Heat increase changes to gas, then to liquid, then to gas, then to Dry-Ice. It’s the only gas that behaves like liquid.
 
 The energies of CO2 are thousands times greater than Steam.
 Energy as a force is measure in bar, one bar being the equivalent of 14.2 PSI or one atmosphere. [/size]
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CO2 gas at temperature above 31.2* will not convert to liquid no matter what compression is applied.[/size]
 One litre of Water, Steam or Gas per second at 9 bar pressure passing through a turbine generator produces 720 watts. Any increase in bar pressure or volume per second increases the wattage output.[/size]
 Working from a base line of 0* Celsius Steam is beginning to format 100*C whilst CO2 has already reached 7,000 bar.

 The attached diagram operates in two different mode, the first below 31.2*C using the cooling loop of a fridge to cool the hot gas before going to the compressor which squeezes the gas into liquid before feeding it back in heating point.

 The other uses a boiler and exploits the fact CO2 at temperature above 31.2*C formats into Dry-Ice. At 100*C it’s 50/50. 50% Dry-Ice coats boiler ceiling and wall and the other 50% remains high pressure hot gas.
 This design does away with the fridge cooling loop and instead exploits the Dry-Ice field constant in the boiler.
CO2 though gas but behaving like liquid is force drained from the bottom of the Boiler then piped back through the Dry-Ice field which cools the CO2 gas back to liquid. Hot gas exiting the Boiler forces the cold liquid at the same pressure as the gas exiting the boiler. The cold liquid at force then drives a Hydro turbine which empties into a screw pump Boiler feed. The technology is fully sealed and 100% recycling.[/size]

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Offline bugler

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Re: Low heat source electric generator
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2012, 12:04:28 AM »
Where did you get this information.


It sounds quite interesting.


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Re: Low heat source electric generator
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2012, 06:34:32 AM »
 Hello Bugler,
 
The design shown is our own work (Dad and Sons) DaS.
 
All information is Web available. See web site How Stuff Works. - Fridge.
 
Einstein developed the absorption fridge which has a Boiler. Kevinator added a compressor.
 
In a electric fridge the compressor picks up the cool refrigerant (CO2 now being R744) and forces it through a restrictor plate, this forcing of refrigerant also occurs in absorption refrigeration.
 
All we did was remove the restrictor plate and replace with a turbine. Then changed things so the compressor in place of feeding to the restrictor plate feeds direct to the boiler which feeds to the turbine.
 
The compressor is our own work, its an exension of the turbine shaft and is threaded. To reduce friction a small amount of water is carried on the threads making a seal behind the gas being compressed. The water does bot go into the boiler but drops out prior, flows back and is again picked up by the shaft thread. This creates if you like a pulse compressor. 
 
The temperature pressure diagram of CO2 is linked below.
 
Peter
 
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee397/DaSEnergy/290px-Carbon_dioxide_pressure-temperature_phase_diagram_svg.png
 
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee397/DaSEnergy/CO2Critical.png

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Re: Low heat source electric generator
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2012, 08:57:26 AM »
 I know of a thermal superconductor that might improve it further. drop me an email.
I am wondering if you have calculated the thermal to wok equation


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Re: Low heat source electric generator
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2012, 09:02:48 AM »
I have a silly question, what is the energy needed to keep the dry ice at temperature. can it wok at a higher temp if your thermal heat was higher


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Offline markdansie

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Re: Low heat source electric generator
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2012, 10:10:00 AM »
Hi Peter,
you have posted this I see on many forums for many years. I am wondering if you have built any proof of concept devices or indeed an entire running system. There are some flaws in your calculations I found in other websites.
Si perhaps a history lesson here might be useful about the devices development, working proof of concept, or at least some evidence another than theoretical calculations.
I am aware of many others working with closed loop co2 turbine systems.
I like your idea but if you could answer some of the above it would be appreciated. You put a lot of thought into this but given the number of threads you have posted on over the many years I am just wondering if it is another fishing expedition
Kind regards
Mark

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Re: Low heat source electric generator
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2012, 10:30:11 AM »
Hi Peter,
you have posted this I see on many forums for many years. I am wondering if you have built any proof of concept devices or indeed an entire running system. There are some flaws in your calculations I found in other websites.
Si perhaps a history lesson here might be useful about the devices development, working proof of concept, or at least some evidence another than theoretical calculations.
I am aware of many others working with closed loop co2 turbine systems.
I like your idea but if you could answer some of the above it would be appreciated. You put a lot of thought into this but given the number of threads you have posted on over the many years I am just wondering if it is another fishing expedition
Kind regards
Mark
Hello Mark,
A search of DaS Energy on the web will bring bring up the development of things beginning with the DaS Valve which is liquid piston action with no moving part. This provided the force to a turbine. We did bring this to full working demonstration. However we learnt to construct out of Alumium was not a good idea as it wont take direct heat and bursts apart. However it will stay complete if heated by water. The full turbine model has not yet been constructed. I DO NOT GO ON FISHING EXPEDITIONS AS YOU WILL NOTICE ALL IS POSTED OPEN TECHNOLOGY.  Mine is not for greed but passing on for free that allready learnt. Any error you may feel is incorporated may best be taken with the Universties, Professionals, and Industry who supplied the figures. All of which you shall find Web installed by them and free to access.
Peter

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Offline markdansie

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Re: Low heat source electric generator
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2012, 05:19:21 PM »
Hi Peter,
thank you for your frank and honest reply.
I appreciate your efforts to bring this information to everyone.
Is the demonstration device (without the turbine) still operational ? I understand it will work with hot water.
If so could you provide details of what data and results you obtained from this.
For the sake of demonstration purposes could a small commercially available turbine be used to close the loop?
i think where I read the possible calculation errors which others had mentioned in past forums is involving fluid dynamics of gas when put to work I.E. to drive a turbine.
Many thanks and I hope this promotes some dialogue.
Mark




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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2012, 06:34:38 PM »
 Hello Mark,
Thank you for your reply, that you said is much appreciated by a grumpy old man.
I am a government pensioner and after spending good money on having an engineer construct out of alumunium,  knowing what it was all about but not telling me alumium wont take direct heat till after it blew apart, I walked away.
I do not have any stats other it drove a micro Pelton wheel attached to Fisher and Pykel washing machine motor converted to a generator, both web purchased out of NZ.
The system worked by build up of gas pressure driving the water untill the float blocking the exhaust dropped down and and the CO2 escaped through tubing biried in crushed ice which cooled the CO2 which was then venturied back into the water returning to the boiler side of the DaS Valve.
I am back on the web now as last hoora as my candle is but now a stub. However that aside should you wish to construct in simpliest working form you will need a lenth 50mm pvc piping a squash ball and a length of 12mm garden hose. this needs cutting into thre lengths one the bottom cross joiner pipe, then two other lengths making sure one is longer than the other by enough margin that the squash ball is at higher elevation then the short vertical pipe. Running compressed air into the top of the short pipe is good test mode. Dont ask me why for I have now answer yet, but when you first fill with water then suck the water outlet house and you will feel a give like a air pocket or something is being removed, unlesss you do this it will run erratic but I dont know why!
A reducer makes a perfect valve seat.  I have enclosed an old web site where the DaS Valve is posted. I hope you may be able to make sense of, if not I am here to help.
I would also point out make sure you run the 12 mm hose outside the PVC casing or things just wont work propperly. By lengthing or shorting the hose you will get perfect timing of it blowing clear of water at the same moment the ball drops down. To short and it will empty before the first pipe has fully emptied. 
I shall go search if i can find any old vids of it going and post if found.
Peter
 DaS Valve essential to new technology | Packratworkshop Forum ...packratworkshop.maxforum.org/.../das-valve-essential-to-new-techn...CachedYou +1'd this publicly. Undo22 Dec 2010 – New technology doing away with the so many moving parts of the old combustion engine essentialy a Steam engine without Steam and the ...

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Re: Low heat source electric generator
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2012, 06:46:21 PM »
Hello Mark,
 
I be no computer nerd, I trust this will take to site fully setting out the Das Valve.www.scienceforums.net/.../53593-open-technology-in-energy-conve...CachedYou +1'd this publicly. Undo6 posts - 6 authors - 22 Dec 2010The DaS Valve allows any gas heated then cooled to drive a hydro turbine. The DaS Valve replaces all the internal parts of a piston engine.
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