Author Topic: Capillary Action With Magnets and OIl (Read 12657 times)

ibpointless2 · « **on:** May 06, 2012, 09:40:52 PM »

I figured out how to get water to break free from the capillary action and fall above where the water level is. Here is the video. http://youtu.be/-7isiqkBd7Q

The water drops fall above where the water sits level due to the oil creating the pressure. The oil is lighter than water so it will always be on top and since the wick is fully saturated with water it will only wick the water up. With a long enough tube full of oil and and a long wick you can have the water fall far above where it started thus beating gravity. The oil i use is vegetable oil and the wick is a paper towel in the video.

Im still bouncing around ideas for this. Being able to get the water to fall above the water line is a big achievement but its getting the water back to the starting point that maybe tricky. I'm thinking of using a third cup that will fill up and pour back the water to the first cup.

To get this to work the best i find that allowing the wick to absorb water before you add the oil works best.

mscoffman · « **Reply #1 on:** May 08, 2012, 01:41:28 AM »

I like this idea a lot.

capillary action = wicking ability.

Certain fluids are heavier than water. TCE, trichloroethane I know is. If you rinse it
in water, it forms a puddle - underwater. I supect carbon-tetrachloride is both more dense
then water and has a viscosity that is only a fraction of water. The lower the viscosity
the easier it should be to wick up the material. Freon is very nearly a gas but if you
pressurise the system it probably stays liquid. If we substitue atoms of bromine for
chlorine we get carbon-terabromide, This is used in fire extinguishers. For the bottom
liquid we want low viscosity, less than water but high density as possible. For the upper material we care less about the viscosity, but the density should be as small as possible.

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So you should then try to build a balance beam oscillator, out of it parts.
A dual immiscable liquid system, with the density ratio difference of
the upper fluid to lower fluid maximised. The upper fluid can be self
equalizing through a tube. The state of the balance beam controls
wicking in the alternate arms of balance - possiblely magneto-rehologically
Next you need hysterysis. I would build a histerysis system electronically
so that the balance beam is unlocked only after signicant weight unbalanced
occurs. This will keep the beam from coming into balance. You can then try
to build a better histerysis system after you get the balance beam working.

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Wicking is actually caused by microthermal distubances...This is pure Maxwell's
Demon energy, if you can tap into it.

Ghost · « **Reply #2 on:** June 15, 2012, 12:41:16 PM »

Quote from: ibpointless2 on May 06, 2012, 09:40:52 PM

I figured out how to get water to break free from the capillary action and fall above where the water level is. Here is the video. http://youtu.be/-7isiqkBd7Q

The water drops fall above where the water sits level due to the oil creating the pressure. The oil is lighter than water so it will always be on top and since the wick is fully saturated with water it will only wick the water up. With a long enough tube full of oil and and a long wick you can have the water fall far above where it started thus beating gravity. The oil i use is vegetable oil and the wick is a paper towel in the video.

Im still bouncing around ideas for this. Being able to get the water to fall above the water line is a big achievement but its getting the water back to the starting point that maybe tricky. I'm thinking of using a third cup that will fill up and pour back the water to the first cup.

To get this to work the best i find that allowing the wick to absorb water before you add the oil works best.

See attached picture.
What if you make something like the attached picture and add some oil to it.
Do you think the oil will cause enough pressure to loop the water?
I know just water will not work but maybe by adding some oil it will work?

mscoffman · « **Reply #3 on:** June 15, 2012, 10:39:38 PM »

@ghost;

(IMHO) No, your pictured experiment won't work...It's not that simply done. :-)
It is not due to fluid momentum.
1) You need microcapillaries such as a wick or better yet wicking material like he
has shown. This is where the overunity is, so you will *have* to have it.
2) You need to be able to switch the quenching of the fluid flow in the wick.
This is the technology ibpointless perfected. I suspect that he might share it with
you if he knows you are serious. Maybe. You will have to be able to do this too.

The top layer of the nonimmiscible fluids is to put some gravitational pressure
on the other layer without allowing interaction with the air (a partial pressure).
The ratios of densities of fluids creates the limit on how much the mechanical
oscillator balance beam can move. I suspect his gyrating bottle experiement *is*
showing that it works...but that needs to be cleaned up some to demonstrate
as an experiment.

If anyone can get this to work reliably in a clear mechanism, it is a Maxwell's Demon.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Ghost · « **Reply #4 on:** June 16, 2012, 03:43:48 AM »

Quote from: mscoffman on June 15, 2012, 10:39:38 PM

@ghost;

(IMHO) No, your pictured experiment won't work...It's not that simply done. :-)
It is not due to fluid momentum.
1) You need microcapillaries such as a wick or better yet wicking material like he
has shown. This is where the overunity is, so you will *have* to have it.
2) You need to be able to switch the quenching of the fluid flow in the wick.
This is the technology ibpointless perfected. I suspect that he might share it with
you if he knows you are serious. Maybe. You will have to be able to do this too.

The top layer of the nonimmiscible fluids is to put some gravitational pressure
on the other layer without allowing interaction with the air (a partial pressure).
The ratios of densities of fluids creates the limit on how much the mechanical
oscillator balance beam can move. I suspect his gyrating bottle experiement *is*
showing that it works...but that needs to be cleaned up some to demonstrate
as an experiment.

If anyone can get this to work reliably in a clear mechanism, it is a Maxwell's Demon.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Well yeah I figured the above picture experiment does not work.
But maybe by adding oil it might help pressure the water to loop.
I guess not then. Anyone actually tried this and added oil to it?

onthecuttingedge2005 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 17, 2012, 05:31:22 PM »

Quote from: Ghost on June 15, 2012, 12:41:16 PM

See attached picture.
What if you make something like the attached picture and add some oil to it.
Do you think the oil will cause enough pressure to loop the water?
I know just water will not work but maybe by adding some oil it will work?

If the self flowing flask were possible then you could use 2 devices together to make a Kelvin Generator that would spark for ever.

However, you need to get a self flowing flask to work first.

Jerry

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