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Author Topic: Fernando`s Force multiplier  (Read 127775 times)

Offline neptune

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Re: Fernando`s Force multiplier
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2012, 08:49:15 PM »
If this guy is serious about raising some funding for research and development, he needs to show us some evidence of overunity, however small. If he can not show that, then he has nothing to research and develop. If you disagree, please send me some money to develop my personal levitator that runs on one AAA battery. No I can not show it working yet, it needs further research and development.

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Re: Fernando`s Force multiplier
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Offline lancaIV

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Re: Fernando`s Force multiplier
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2012, 11:56:55 AM »
If the Ramos family company Granados SAC members will be serious they will do it but not more Fernando Ramos for himself anymore !
But it will also depends from the help that they will receive !
And the solution - the ready to market gear-system- does not need to be ready yesterday but tomorrow and this can be 2014/2015/... !
I am not in hurry about it !

Sincerely
                 CdL

Offline neptune

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Re: Fernando`s Force multiplier
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2012, 02:46:59 PM »
I do not think you understand my point. In my country we say "Great oaks from little acorns grow." That means a large tree grows from a small seed. So if you want money to help you grow a tree, first show me your seed.

Offline lancaIV

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Re: Fernando`s Force multiplier
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2012, 04:35:40 PM »
neptune, I understand clearly your point or better your statement but I am not familiar with the Ramos family and I have not knowledge about their time schedule for the next time !

Since two weeks beginning with the end of the invention and inventors fair in Geneve there is the existence of this
hype in the news but only cause somebody is only pushing the copy paste button for the different news agencies in these several south american estates !
Now the wave came over the "green energy"-forums net-world-wide!
And there are to much gold-digger waiting for such an opportunity like this  !

What we actually exactly know is that  probably a functional prototype exists and can be tested and technically the overunity in-output effect could be approved !
The video shows us a motor-gear-generator in working modi and probably this is the gear-system tested by the INDECOPI org during their national X.competition 2011 !

the only seed actually is their publicated phone number to make questions and to receive answers !
                                                                    995559464   
or the Ramos Sixto Granados SAC company phone number :          4646694
            Land: Peru                                                                                        0051 or +51
            in City: Callao     
            Street : Jr. Antonio Miro Quesada No.867
            general manager: Mark Sebastian Ramos Solano

Sincerely
                 CdL

p.s.:             " Archimedes"    http://jerrytheinventor.com/?p=51  = jbpowersystems ;  from 2010
« Last Edit: May 07, 2012, 07:58:56 PM by lancaIV »

Offline lancaIV

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Re: Fernando`s Force multiplier
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2012, 04:00:08 PM »
Here,from a 1001 days and nights genious, living in the Lebannon, Hanna Albert Awad :
 www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=7862
Dream 2 reality   8) ?!

Sincerely
                 CdL

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Re: Fernando`s Force multiplier
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2012, 04:00:08 PM »
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Offline bugler

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Re: Fernando`s Force multiplier
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2012, 02:49:10 AM »
Power = torque * angular velocity.


The patent above is absurd and completely obvious as the concept is used in every day machines.


Do you need more torque? Just slow the turning speed and you have it ... but the power remains the same (actually a little less thanks to mechanical losses).




Offline lancaIV

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Re: Fernando`s Force multiplier
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2012, 06:06:49 PM »
@bugler: this inventor,Hanna Albert Awad,publicated during several years different energy concepts and ideas.
                  In some of his patent/utility publications he wrote about prototype construction and testing.

                 Probably he built such a 3step-gear-converter and did the tests or he did not.
                 
And do not forget: we are thinking about over-unity systems and not less !
                 
Sincerely
                 CdL
                 
                 
                 
     

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Re: Fernando`s Force multiplier
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Offline bugler

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Re: Fernando`s Force multiplier
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2012, 06:34:36 PM »
I was talking about the patent in the message inmediatellyabove mine.


Offline i_ron

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Re: Fernando`s Force multiplier
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2012, 08:53:14 PM »
Hi All,


Here is the first run of my replication, no load, slow speed...


 [/font][/size]http://youtu.be/lbUIyI1ufIQ[/color][/font]


Ron






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Re: Fernando`s Force multiplier
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2012, 09:40:18 PM »
Nice workshop, I'm jealous. I especially like the meter shelf, and the clips to hold the bags in the wastebaskets.
Is that a real Kennedy tool chest, or one of the cheap Harbor Freight knockoffs? (I have one of each; the Kennedy is nicer of course, as it ought to be, at four times the price.)

With the setup you've got it will be easy to do comparison testing. You can simply remove your connecting rod and short crankthrows from the backside and put 1-to-1 pulleys and a connecting belt between the wheels (brake disks?) on the front side, and then compare outputs of that simple control system, to the outputs of the full, con-rod connected system.

ETA: Are the short crankthrows the same length (radius, arm, whatever you want to call it) on both wheels? If they are the same, then a 1-1 pulley arrangement might be a good comparison test. If they are different, this makes the action different than a belt-and-pulley arrangement, because even though the speeds are different the wheels will still make 1-1 rotations, whereas with a belt and different sized pulleys they won't.

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Offline conradelektro

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Re: Fernando`s Force multiplier
« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2012, 09:46:55 PM »
Hi All,

Here is the first run of my replication, no load, slow speed...

[/font][/size]http://youtu.be/lbUIyI1ufIQ[/color][/font]

Ron

@Ron:

Is it correct, you will connect a dynamo (generator) to the second yellow wheel ? And then one hopes that the generator produces more power than was used to drive the electric motor (connected to the first yellow wheel) ?

This is probably a pretty dumb question. I just want to be sure that I understand the whole concept correctly.

Any way, I am impressed by the size of the machine and the craftsmanship!

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Fernando`s Force multiplier
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2012, 09:51:33 PM »
@TK and Ron: Another question concerning the (alleged) functioning of this device.

The device should have a greater output in case one puts some weights on the bars connecting the yellow wheels?

Greetings, Conrad

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Fernando`s Force multiplier
« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2012, 09:52:46 PM »
It's an interesting system. If the con rod throws are the same on both wheels, the torques and the rotation rates should be the same. But if the throws are different.... say the output wheel (the one that's not belt-driven) has a shorter crank throw. The rotation rates will still be the same, 1-for-1 ... but what happens to the torques?

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Fernando`s Force multiplier
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2012, 09:54:18 PM »
@TK and Ron: Another question concerning the (alleged) functioning of this device.

The device should have a greater output in case one puts some weights on the bars connecting the yellow wheels?

Greetings, Conrad

I dunno, I've just started thinking about this system, and I've confused myself already. Let me have another cup of coffee and see what percolates.

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Re: Fernando`s Force multiplier
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2012, 09:54:42 PM »
ETA: Are the short crankthrows the same length (radius, arm, whatever you want to call it) on both wheels? If they are the same, then a 1-1 pulley arrangement might be a good comparison test. If they are different, this makes the action different than a belt-and-pulley arrangement, because even though the speeds are different the wheels will still make 1-1 rotations, whereas with a belt and different sized pulleys they won't.

I think something will break in case the "the short crankthrows" have a different length, because the axles of the two yellow wheels are fixed.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Fernando`s Force multiplier
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