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Offline neptune

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« Reply #75 on: May 26, 2012, 07:38:45 PM »
@Broli. Not sur I understood you last post. Are you saying that applying for the prize would not be to his advantage, or that you have doubts about this technology?

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« Reply #76 on: May 26, 2012, 09:08:07 PM »
@Broli. Not sur I understood you last post. Are you saying that applying for the prize would not be to his advantage, or that you have doubts about this technology?

It's the former. If you read the whole thread you'll know why. The prize does not fit his strategy.

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« Reply #77 on: May 27, 2012, 01:54:39 AM »
Hi All,


Quick post. Response to some issues, not necessarily in order.


Quenco current capability is a mind blowing 10,000A/cm2 but that should not be considered alone, at 10,000A/cm2 the voltage is only a few mv, at 1,000A/cms it is 100mv, at 100A/cm2 we can get a little more voltage, and so on. The open circuit voltage is limited by reverse leakage and so is about 250mv per layer.

For 5v we need to lay down many layers but as each layer is 1.2nm it still looks like an impossibly thin film. If we want to have an output of 5v at 2Amps we need only 25 layers, if we want 5v at 1000 amps we need 50 layers. At 50 layers or 25 layers the heat flux into the quenco is little different (the extra 25 layers amounts to only an extra 30nm and so with a thermal conductivity of approx 1w/cmk even 1 degree gradient becomes MW/cm2).

So as I said before getting the heat in is the problem. A 1mm x 1mm single Quenco layer at 100mV has a current output of 10A, if loaded (shorted) it would output its energy to the limit of the shorts inductance and resistance limitation and then rapidly frost. If there were 50 layers its output would be higher and so instantaneous output greater, but the temperature depression would happen faster. If we take the thermal mass of 1mm x 1mm x say 50um (end contacts being most of that) then we might calculate the the energy it could dissipate to a load as being  50,000,000 um3 which is 50/1000 mm3 or 50/1,000,000cm3, so even if it had a specific heat capacity of 1J/cm3/k we would have 15mJ, this is not likely to weld or damage anything.

Second is that if we had a 1000 layer 24V quenco of 10cm x 10cm having an output capability of MW we could short an edge quite safely as the end conatct layers are only um thick so the transverse current to a short is quite small, it is only when we couple the 10cm x 10cm to a bus bar of 10cm x 10 cm that we can fully obtain the MW power capability. Let me say it in a more stark way, if you had a 100MW piece of quenco you could hammer a nail through it without much drop of output or danger of fire. Like I have said before quenco converts heat to power at quantum scale and so just as with Esaki diodes the tunneling current is very very high, but quenco is limited by the heat flux into it, for MW output at say 1000V we could use just 1cm x 1cm of 10,000 layer (12um thick) but I defy anyone to figure out how to get that much heat to the quenco, at best using graphene we could have (by my modeling) 10kW per cm2 energy flow from ambient to quenco (depressed by -100C from ambient). Super critical CO2 might be a simple means of transferring energy in but ultimately it is easier to reduce quenco manufacture price and just use more cm2 tiles.

My guess is that we get down to $1 a cm2 tile with 200V @ 10A output (to suit electric cars) and use 50 tiles per car. Obviously if the tiles were to cost $1,000 then there would be reason to use less tiles but better heat input infrastructure.

I must say that I am totally out of my depth on the issue of getting heat in and I have not filed any patents on graphene or sc CO2 heat exchangers, many people can take ownership of these issues. I will stick with the issue of getting quenco made as cheap as possible.


So I have covered a few technical things, as to me claiming the OU prize I already have pledged a fair chunk of the prize so I would be claiming against myself, but more importantly quenco is not OU, nor would I want to take away the prize anyway, it remains as a beacon (hopefully one that grows in cash) to encourage a search for new science / invention. I am sure the prize money will come from many sources once quenco becomes mainstream and that money will be helpful to buy more roll to roll equipment.

Lastly, and this is painful, I am now 100% sure I cannot deliver the vid experiment for 1cm x 1cm tiles by 11 June, we just have had too many delays getting films deposited, I will post here as soon as I am sure of the guaranteed dates, I will post some info on quentron.com in early June as an update.


If I had to make a bet about the date I would say end of June is possible, July is certain. I am not wriggling or being evasive, and it will be "soon", but since I do not have my own nanofab (yet) I am not totally in control of production. We have however great hopes that it will be this coming week.


Bye for now.


BTW, if I make a silly mistake in my quick calcs (and I often do), or do not express myself clearly, please email me at pjhardcastle@gmail.com, but please do not expect a quick reply, and please do not expect me to give out any more technical info - that must remain restricted until launch.
« Last Edit: May 27, 2012, 06:58:50 AM by Philip Hardcastle »

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« Reply #78 on: May 27, 2012, 04:27:38 PM »
Hi Philip, and many thanks for the technical information, although some of the calculations are a bit over my head. One thing that seems obvious, is that the big problem initially is going to be getting enough heat into the thing. I get the impression that output is going to be dependent on maintaining a temperature gradient. To power an electric car, high tech methods and materials look to be pretty much essential. Hopefully for the multitude of lower power applications the market demands, a lower tech cheaper option will be more appropriate, using materials such as copper and aluminium, possibly with a forced air supply to prevent freezing.
       Whilst it is a shame that you will not be able to meet the June 11th deadline, I hope you will do your best to keep us informed of developments. Do not underestimate the publicity that you will get by sending a sample to Hartiberlin, he is well respected in these fields.
       Finally do not underestimate the demand for electric bike batteries. This is a huge market, just waiting for a development like yours. And at 2 to 300 Watts, much less demanding than car batteries.

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« Reply #79 on: May 27, 2012, 08:35:48 PM »
Just a small bump in the road.  I'm sure those following this thread will still be here as I will.  I had not thought about the e-bike connection but that would truly be a great one.  As it is probably the only thing that has kept me from getting an e-bike is the rather low range they have.   With only a slightly larger scooter style you could probably house a fair sized unit.  That brings to mind the idea of using the quentron in parallel with some standard lead acid or Li-Ion or Li-Poly batteries to possibly give more current short term as needed while having the quentron be able to constantly recharge the standard battery if it was not pulling full power at the time.  As I don't have a good grasp yet on this new technology I don't know if that would even make sense to do but just wanted to mention it as it crossed my mind in regards to the e-bike.

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« Reply #80 on: May 27, 2012, 09:28:20 PM »
Slightly off topic, but let me say a few words about Ebikes. First of all, they are out there in big numbers. China alone has 120 million, and counting. So people would buy everlasting batteries from tomorrow. Large numbers of Ecars have yet to be built. Remember that an Ebike is not an electric motorcycle, it is an electrically assisted bicycle. I own a 10 year old Ebike that runs on three 12 volt lead acid batteries , 36 volts. Maximum range on the flat without pedalling is 20 miles. With light pedal assistance the range is about 30 miles. Modern Ebikes with LiFepo4 batteries can double that range.
      Cruising on the flat, amp draw is 5 or 6 amps. During acceleration it rise to about 15 amps. So, if you had an everlasting battery that would only give 5 or 6 amps, You could make up the shortfall by pedalling during acceleration and on hills. Remember that legally an Ebike is just a bicycle. An electric motorcycle could have much higher speed, range and acceleration. But you need a special driving license, road tax , insurance, and endless other legal hassles.
       Owing to poor eyesight I no longer drive. My Ebike is my car, and meets over 90% of my needs.

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« Reply #81 on: May 27, 2012, 10:22:03 PM »
If the problem of QUENCO is the ability of the materials to heat reception, then the impact will be tremendous.
In telecommunications, the next advance, are high-altitude platform, in the form of quadrotores, blimp or airplanes, and the problem is POWER, with Quenco this issue is resolved, allowing lower the price of telecommunications to 1/10 of today, at this altitude the penetration of the signal is high and the coverage is uniform, the delay is much less than the satellite since they are at a shorter distance, and the cost of implementation is very low cost. Example http://www.gizmag.com/aerovironment-uav-communications-relay/22679/
And for air transport, star up like Synergy  http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/launchsynergy/synergy-aircraft-project  QUENCO is a blessing from the sky.


Being QUENCO a technology that uses machinery of the semiconductor industry, and given the huge potential is obvious that each company in this industry will be manufacturing QUENCO, faster than once, either with permission or without permission from Phillip, and will get the information either patents or information that Phillip will make public or directly from dissection QUENCO device, There is companies that  job is dissection of semiconductor designs. Therefore, it is good that Phillip has its own global network of manufacturing, but must have a well defined busines plan so that each semiconductor manufacturer in the world can start making QUENCO and pay royalties.
I think this scheme is a royalty per unit manufactured, by Watts.
1 unit of 1 Watt -> 0.1 Dollar.
1 unit of 10 Watt -> 1 Dollar.
1 unit of 100 Watts -> 5 Dollar.
1 unit of 1000 watts -> 50 dollar.


Concerning the overunity PRIZE, QUENCO qualify, since it produces electric power without consuming nothing but heat from the environment, as well as many motors that supposedly run overunity  and they cooled environment. At the end I do not think that we can get something that will produce energy from nothing, there will always be to consume or transform something.   Think, if we put a AAA battery in a circuit next to QUENCO and you dont know what QUENCO do, and power a motor and recharge the AAA battery, this will win the overunity Prize? the answer is yes.

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Offline Philip Hardcastle

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« Reply #82 on: May 28, 2012, 12:17:29 AM »
@Admin, could you remove my email address from my previous post for me? I have been warned about spammers and did receive one already.


@All and Harti, I feel that claiming the OU prize would be unpopular, if however everyone wants me to claim the prize let's make it more interesting, I will double my current pledge to $10,000 (Harti could you please update my pledge) and those that want the prize to be claimed and want to support free energy can choose if they want to pledge some or double their existing pledge, all the money will go to quenco chips (not a penny for me) for members, to be distributed by Harti or a committee for use in applications (open source).


As to Copper or Aluminium units, a small blower fan on a copper finned heatsink with a 1cm2 Quenco should easily provide a kW output in a coke can sized unit (a sort of hair dryer in reverse). That would be a good idea for a few hundred million bikes (that can go up steep hills). Governments should allow free registration (no road tax) for such as it gets the masses of poorer people to work every day in China and other Asian nations. Also environmentally aware people in Europe and the USA could leave their cars at home to lower global co2 emissions.


 




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« Reply #83 on: May 28, 2012, 03:56:05 AM »
I just went to the OverUnity Prize section to try and post a $5,000 increase to my existing $5,000 pledge, where I noticed that Stefan has previously posted that the prize is not available to people that patent their IP. That is fine by me, I need to protect the rights of many with a patent, that is my view, it may be that I do not understand how to use open source and protect IP against the greed of large corporations, but for now having a PCT patent seems the best blanket safe position to take.




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« Reply #84 on: May 28, 2012, 12:28:46 PM »
That is fine by me, I need to protect the rights of many with a patent, that is my view, it may be that I do not understand how to use open source and protect IP against the greed of large corporations, but for now having a PCT patent seems the best blanket safe position to take.

It is quite simple:

1) Patents protect the right of the patent holder to make money exclusively. In other words, the patent holder can stop others to use his contraption (for 20 years after filing date). This might not work in practice, because the patent holder can be outsmarted by filing a great number of similar patents and it would cost too much to fight all the other patents. Big money can also ignore the patent and risk a very expensive legal battle, which the patent holder can not sustain and not win due to lack of funds. In China and other third world countries nobody cares about patents and in the industrialised countries they get you by perverting the law with money.

2) The only way to fight large corporations or big money is COMPLETE DISCLOSURE of the idea so that many people can do research and can try to manufacture products based on the idea. Of course the "inventor" will probably get nothing not even fame because many people will claim it was their idea.

So, dear Mr. Hardcastle, it is all about money and who gets it. Your " best blanket safe position" is the wish or the need to get money. This is not bad, but why not say so straight away. Posing as the good guy is just silly. Please do not try to safe me or the world, we save ourselves by trying to make money ourselves and we say so straight away.

My prediction: you will loose money, no matter what you do.

If your idea is a "law of nature newly discovered by you" it can not be protected, because you can only patent specific contraptions making use of this newly discovered principle. ( A principle or "law of nature" can not be patented, many people do not understand that.) Large corporations and big money will come up with many different ways of using your discovery (besides your ways of doing it) and you can do nothing to stop that.

Dream about money and fame till you wake up. And please do not disclose your ideas here, we will take it and become stinking rich. In case you have something, disclose it to the right scientific establishments. You could also write a book about it, and you can sell it, even if it is nonsense (as many have done successfully). I know, it is difficult to be heard, but the world is a hard place.

I look forward to the date of your eventual coming out. May the Megawatts flow. Words do not create electricity.

Greetings, Conrad

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« Reply #85 on: May 28, 2012, 01:54:46 PM »
@Conrad,


I fully understand patents, I have not made a new discovery of nature, what I have done by design, novel application of materials, and topology is to overturn part of the much lauded, but unproven, 2nd Law of Thermodynamics (The Kelvin Interpretation). As it happens Quenco cannot be improved or simplified, it is by its nature as good as it can get, so as a patent it will no doubt go down in history as being an ultimate. It cannot be added to, it cannot be reduced so big business cannot circumvent it, therefore by my patenting it I can protect the rights of many, you accuse me of greed and ego, you really do not get me.


If you wish me harm, wish me to lose money, and wish me not to disclose anything here, then so be it.

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« Reply #86 on: May 28, 2012, 02:12:07 PM »
Ego: If one wants to talk about something which one can not disclose? (This seems to be ego.)
 
 Greed: I can protect the rights of many. (Many are greedy. I am greedy.)
 
 Hope: Quenco cannot be improved or simplified, it is by its nature as good as it can get. (Would be the first thing in the world showing these unique properties.)
 
 I have nothing against you. I just do not understand the need of some people to talk about something they do not wish to disclose. It is so very useless. What is there to be said? No intelligent person believes in something one is not allowed to know. The only area where this is appropriate is religion. And if you want or have to keep a secret, the best way to do that is to shut up.
 
 Greetings, Conrad

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« Reply #87 on: May 28, 2012, 02:41:10 PM »
There's no point in arguing about such trivial matters. But to be honest I shrug whenever deadlines have to be pushed back, too many bad experiences and déjà vu's pop up in my head. Deadlines are pointless if they're not respected.. even though rarely a deadline is met in any field.
My personal limit is at breaking the 3rd deadline then I jump off the bandwagon. Anyway I still wish you luck.

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« Reply #88 on: May 28, 2012, 02:49:22 PM »
We need to keep cool heads here. I can understand some of the points that Conrad is making. On the other hand this is Phillips intelectual property, and he is free to do with it whatever he wishes. Personally, I think that as a result of this he deserves to gain financial security for himself and his family. My wish is that he can keep control of this idea, and stick to his business plan to make it affordable, especially to those whose need is greatest. What I would not like to see is that this disappears, or is restricted to "National Security". Phillip, the choice is yours . I hope you choose wisely. As far as I am concerned, the more info you publish on here the better. If you patent it, then the info will be available to those who wish to copy it for their own use, if they are able.

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« Reply #89 on: May 28, 2012, 05:29:36 PM »
I would prefer the patent application process instead of the "open-source"-method !
It is also your right to receive a real compensation for your scientifical input ,without a monetary limit from my side !

And Mr. Hardcastle, it is not a shame that the first demonstration has to be scheduled !
We know sufficient about time-delay ,independant from the causes : Orbo,Perendev,Blacklightpower,.....  !
This are/has been years of adventure and trial !

Sincerely
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