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Offline Elisha

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« Reply #45 on: May 20, 2012, 05:42:58 PM »
Dear friend Phillip.
Your idea is fine, but I feel some innocence from you.
 
 1 - this world's problems are not solved by revolutions, even with energetic revolutions.Since the problem is not society but the selfishness of man, the momentum we have for exploiting others for our own benefit. For more changes you make to society, they willonly make-up, the real problem. May end in something worse, as the failure of theSoviet Union, or the current failures of Cuba or North Korea, and on the other hand, the failures of capitalism in the U.S. or of socialism in Europe (see Greece), the road tohell is paved with good intentions. If you make an energy revolution that will be quicklyused as a means of exploitation of man by man, and that real change is done through education to be a "social man".
 
 2 - If you want to help solve society's problems, then you can sponsor innovative educational programs, such as http://ariresearch.org/, which, they can change society by changing the human being.
 
 3 - A foundation should not be to control anything, none the development of this technology, but it can be an incubator for researchers crowdsourcing, that's a very good idea of ​​yours.
 
 4 - If not let us use the crowdsoursing, removing us the opportunity for many to work in this product, and as you'll see on sites like these, there are many people who want todo something.

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« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2012, 06:08:20 PM »
Filip, I believe any plan that promotes openness, lack of greed and is different from the status quo is a good one. So yes that's a good plan too, expect for one caveat*. But it's important to have a fixed plan before you proceed because as I mentioned earlier you'll get an INSANE amount of attention. And if I were you I'd try to pull that attention away from me as much as possible and focus it solely on the technology as it can be a big mental burden. So be sure you are prepared, physically and mentally, in fact there should be no reason for you to go out of your neighborhood besides having to sign a manufacturing deal or something. And don't ever something, especially money, convince you of something you didn't plan to do, stick to the plan no matter what comes your way!

You have the huge advantage of your device being uber simple, very small, and I assume very cheap to produce. This is especially important in the beginning, where you can kill any skepticism or smear campaign almost immediately by shipping prototypes in letters to any arm chair scientist who thinks this is bogus. But! Don't ever go jumping through hoops to prove it, just send it out and let them disprove it themselves. That is if the PR stunt to the gadget websites wasn't already proof enough. In the end your goal is the common man, and not pleasing every scientist on the face of this earth.

Elisha, not to get too philosophical, it's true that many of the worlds "problems" are artificial, this you can see in many areas for example by how much money is invested in brain killing entertainment as opposed to things that truly matter. I agree that technology alone won't solve the problems, but they can be an important catalyst to many changes even behavioral changes.
Sick, corrupt, greedy people will always exists in fact if it was up to them even a technology like this should be heavily controlled and taxed, for some twisted unfounded climate change reason. It's our task to never let these corrupt 1% take over the 99% (and no I'm not a "occupy" fan :p). Anyway much more can be said on that subject but this isn't the time and place.

In the end it is very hard to imagine what this will bring forth to the world but of course we all hope it will bring more good than bad.

I'm looking forward to reading that "An iPhone that doesn't need recharging?!" headline on Engadget the coming months.

*How can someone build this tech for personal use free of charge, if they don't have a million dollar nanolab so to speak? Or can you do without?

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« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2012, 09:08:22 PM »
I'm not sure how to put this out there but it may help to think about the Chinese part of the equation.  I've seen over and over again in the last decade just how quickly and cheaply manufacturers in China will grab an idea and start pumping out devices so much faster than any other place and their quality has gone up so much in the last 10 years or so that they can equal or even better their counterparts in the U.S. and elsewhere.  I'm not sure exactly how this may all fit into this situation but I think it may be worth putting some thought into it.  They seem to be able to clone things faster and better than any one.  And they don't often hesitate to copy things that are well protected with patents, copyrights and so on.   Is there a way to take advantage of this?  Just some food for thought...

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« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2012, 11:04:11 PM »
Friends, it is very important to have a clear goal. Because this affects the decisions we make. It may sound philosophy, but it is historical realism as the basis for the decisions we make.
 
 Phillip needs a clear goal, with clear bases to take the right decisions.
 
 Technology is only a means to achieve the proposed goal, and can change behavior but not its essence, changing the essence you do it through proper education.
 
 From "http://ariresearch.org/books"
 Why mutual guarantee is the key to our recovery from the Global Crisis
 Why does 1% of the World Population own 40% of the wealth? Why are education systems the world THROUGHOUT Producing unhappy, poorly educated children? Why is there hunger? Why are food prices rising there is more than when to enough food for everyone? Why are there still country clubs WHERE Human dignity and social justice are nonexistent? And when to and how will be made right These wrongs?
 In 2011, touched the hearts These questions Hundreds of millions of the world over. The cry for social justice to demand've Become Which all can unite around. We all long for a society Where We can feel safe, trust our neighbors, and guarantee the future of our children. In Such a society, all will care for all, and mutual guarantee-where all are guarantors of Each Other's well-being-will thrive.
 Interdependence and "globalization" mean what happens in one That part of the world Affects every other part of it. As a result, a comprehensive solution to the crisis in the whole world Must include, for if only one part of it is Healed, other, still ailing parts, will make it ill again.


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« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2012, 01:22:03 AM »
Hi,


I have read about 3 times what has been posted, lots of good points but I am perhaps more confused. Not surprisingly there are many valid views.


Let me say a few things about myself (please forgive the number of lines starting with I).


I feel that mankind is as much as ever ripping itself apart, that the some of the mega rich are so mentally sick as to be no better than the worst tyrants of history. I cannot fathom why people would want to own more than they could ever need. EGO EGO EGO I suppose.


With the greatest of respect to the people of China I feel that the HQ for new technology should rest with democracy and perhaps a body like the UN.


I honestly would give away this breakthrough if it meant that it would do maximum good, but I feel that I must protect the IP until such time as I can be sure of the way forward.


I do have a fear of what will happen but then I say that what will be will be, this is a one way trip as soon as I post just one diagram, and if I seem to be a bit cagey about details it is that I have probably already given away enough information for some to have a good guess what quenco is, so until next month and making a choice of what to do I will continue to be guarded.


I talked to my kids and asked them if they were comfortable with the whole thing as I suggested (not that I know a thing for sure) it might impact on their lives in negatives ways, they unanimously said go for it. I still however have some fear about what the unknowns might be for them.


I believe that quenco could be manufactured eventually by anyone who can put together 10k of 2nd hand lab equipment, I myself bought my near new high vacuum BOC Edwards Turbomolecular and Scroll pump system for 5k (it originally sold for about 40k). The present need for fancy labs is just because of expertise that I admit I do not have in ALD, but I see no reason why all the technical steps couldn't be put in a 10 page booklet.


Some comments made about revolution concern me, because my biggest fear is that of unintended consequences. Also that some people will lose their jobs (oil, coal and such) and that those people or related organisations will see me as their enemy. That it might cause other social problems during a period of flux. However part of my discussions with my kids was along those lines but we all agreed that the needs outweigh the risks. Quenco can do what clearly governments in the midst of this economic crisis cannot, stimulate, employ and reduce co2.


I am not in this for the money and if I did not get anything out of this I would probably only be slightly miffed, I do feel that it would be fair to be paid but it is far more important to be helping the majority of people before my life is over. I do not believe in God though I have an open mind because the Universe forever shows it is stranger than we think and thus a gestalt super consciousness might well make sense (if all the neuron firings via the synapses of our brain give us our awareness then perhaps all the universe communicating as it does, man to man, creature to creature, physical events to sentient beings, might create a cosmic awareness) but I am not of the view that there is an after life. This is it, make the best of it, is my view.


I am not of such an opinion of myself that I would think I know the answers or that I am wise, I say that the only reason I have ended up with this is that I am stubborn and have a good record of going against the flow and coming up with the right answer, when I was at high school I stated in the science class that the textbook was wrong, everyone laughed at me but the teacher considered my point and he declared that the textbook was wrong, and in fact was later changed (or so I was told). This is not to say that I am clever but I see things nerdy differently, and sometimes I am just plain lucky with my guesses / intuition. However what I gain in my questioning of all things I lose in my lack of ability to understand people. What I need is people that know how people think to guide me. Which is why I am asking for advice.
 

I do not necessarily believe in MIB but I have placed important documents very widely in the event that something did happen to me (not necessarily from an intended source) and feel that nothing can stop quenco becoming fully disclosed at the right time.


Enough about me and my views.


One thought I had last night was that perhaps I am making this more complex than it needs to be. It was because of a comment made here about the Chines that made me think that the one thing I could manage is to set up a factory that just makes quenco foil and sell that at cost + 10% to anyone that wants it, they can then put it into power sources that they design (the quenco is just a component, it needs to be attached to a heat exchanger otherwise a 1mm x 1mm piece of quenco alone would frost up and so create little power). The need to make quenco cheap could be solved by having at least one plant per country / region that is like a newspaper press, an atomic layer deposition.


Initial production would be 100x100mm wafers patterned to small pieces (say 1mm x 1mm or 1cm x 1cm) but then to continuous film that can be slit and chopped to required size. As I said on my website the power from quenco is more about the heat exchanger so if we can get hold of materials that are better than diamond (graphene for example) at heat conduction then the amount of quenco to make a 100kW power source becomes smaller, my current designs suggest that CVD diamond heat spreaders could reduce the quenco to less than 10cm diameter disc, down from 15cm when using copper, Mark Dansie has suggested that there exists some materials available better than diamond and has told me he can supply me a sample in June.


So I think I am waffling, what I will say is that I will continue to take onboard all your views and ideas and will make and post some plan in due course.


Thanks.

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Offline e2matrix

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« Reply #50 on: May 21, 2012, 08:13:32 AM »
Philip,  Having read your last post I think you are an even wiser man than you give yourself credit for.   I think you will do fine with all this.  I read a message somewhere that was a fairly well thought out (or at least it seemed very plausible) scenario for what will happen when a real free energy device or device that will change the energy landscape comes into real use.  I wish I could find that message but I can't even think how to search for it now.  Either way in thinking about that message it seemed reasonable but introduce a million people or 7 billion and I don't know if there is any way to really know what will happen.  Having followed the stock market for a couple years and seeing how schizophrenic all that is (the words of Warren Buffet even) it's really hard to say how business, people in general and the whole economic system might respond to a new energy source.   In my opinion you are a true HERO for making the plan to go forward with this.  Done right there is no reason to think you will be in danger.  Not to downplay what you have but it's my feeling this might trickle into the energy world a with a bit less fanfare than you might think.  I could be wrong as I haven't even seen the details yet but for changes in high tech devices it could move in fairly fast but other mainstream larger energy applications I think it might be slow in making any big waves on the energy scene.   And my favorite new closing line for very promising threads:   
         
             What a Wonderful World It Will Be

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« Reply #51 on: May 21, 2012, 09:28:41 AM »
No one can really predict the future and trying to predict every possible outcome will make you go mad. Just stick to one plan and see it through, that's all. Of course things will go wrong and things you didn't expect will happen, but that's life whether you are trying to release FE tech or trying to win the heart of a woman/man.

I've really come to hate the word "jobs". If you'd ask anyone whether they'd keep doing their "job" if they wouldn't get paid but had their basic physiological needs met (food, water, shelter, energy) I can assure you the overwhelming majority would answer with a resounding NO. It's really not about the pay but about what you ENJOY doing, and having the freedom to switch whenever you want doing whatever you want. So seeing people here say "it will destroy/create jobs" is comical in a sense. "Jobs" turn good people into good sheep.

In a resource based economy there is no money. There are no investors. Nothing is capital-intensive. There is no capital. There is no system of payments and repayments. There is no interest, aside from people’s interest in doing what needs to be done. There is no buying and selling. There is no ownership. There are no shortages. There are no crises. There's only abundance and the unleashed infinite potential of human creativity and ingenuity.
Of course our current system is still far from that as EVERYTHING is based on capital which consequently leads to a "few owning the majority" paradigm. Which also allows things like selfishness, greed and corruption to THRIVE as we can see today.
However the "big" change will come. Just look at any empire in history that once was, no matter how big they were they all fell. It will be a long, and painful for some, change but we will get there. It surely won't happen overnight as many tend to believe.

I also have to say I really like you because you're one of the few "inventors" who is open to discussion and alternate views. It's very rare to have intelligent discussions like these with someone who has "something" and wants to bring it out. Usually it ends up in a greed and paranoid infested discussion that helps no one.

But at the end of the day you just have to let go of all the unknowns and fears and go for it. Like Richard Branson would say, "Screw it, let's do it".

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« Reply #52 on: May 21, 2012, 09:39:10 AM »
I have not thoroughly verified this but it looks very much in line with info I do have.  This just shows the level of suppression in the patent office and only highlights the hazards of using the U.S. Patent process for any energy device.  Well worth the read of this former Department of Energy employee.   Sorry to bring it up here but it may be relevant to some decision making.  I just saw broli's last post and agree that you are an especially open and intelligent inventor and THAT is what I think will make your chance of real success much better than most.  I'll just add that having a plan is good but stay agile and fast to change the plan a bit if needed.    Post below is the scary suppression stuff of our government being ruled by mega-corporations.

http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/66460-green-plasma-battery-former-doe-employee-admits-cover-up-in-progress/

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« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2012, 07:18:24 AM »
Hi Guys,


Thanks for more food for thought.


Thanks for the vote of confidence in my wisdom too, though only time will tell on that one.


I read all the comments with great interest and find that this website is populated primarily by people with good hearts and intentions, most here have hope for a better future, and most are tolerant of those with the exotic beliefs about gravity and magnetic motors. I guess it is for that reason that I can talk here about the even more exotic device that violates the 2nd without having know all do nothings attack.


What I have seen is that there is a common thread of looking for a solution under any and every stone, because the other option is to do nothing and see the poor become poorer, the planet become more damaged, and our future generations inherit a World worse than when we enjoyed it.


It is my duty to find the best solution that I can also live with personally, by that I mean the maximum social utility and the least hard work for me.


I have had considered all the good ideas and values expressed here (and and odd ponder about if patents might be suppressed - for good or bad reasons)


So my mind seems to be favoring the idea that I obtain patents under the PCT and enforce them as and when it becomes needed to stop the crooks making counterfeit quenco film, Then to issue a licence (a simple statement) for ALL people and organisations to free to use quenco in their products, provided that it is the genuine Quenco film bought from your local Quenco distributor.

My view is that I will push the price of quenco film manufacturing as low as it will go with a tiny profit margin to fund research, this price will always be lower than anyone else could make it for (ie counterfeiters could not make it cheaper so why would they bother).

The first challenge will be in 2013 to produce 1mm x 1mm 5v 10W Quenco for $10 and 1cm x 1cm 24v 1kW Quenco for $100, initially via quentron.com

Hopefully by 2014 I can scale so that the price could fall to half that, and then so on........

If I can then find ways to reduce these prices 10 fold then I will, ultimately it would be simply mind blowing if I can get the larger 1cm x 1cm tiles out the door for just $1.

I currently believe that most applications will need just one of these sizes, larger sizes (power apps) can simply be accommodated by multiple tiles.

There may be some need for higher and lower voltages.



Anyhow this is not my final position as yet, just airing my thoughts for feedback.



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« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2012, 07:39:02 AM »
I forgot to add, the availability of cheap as chips quenco will allow all the frustrated inventors here and everywhere (and clean energy advocates) to get serious and build power source units and create new apps / inventions.


BTW, one other thought was to add 10% to the sale price of all quenco so as to provide free quenco to the 3rd World economies.


Ooops, and the Quenco patent, and the profit stream, becomes vested (the property of) the not for profit foundation I talked of previously that develops open source technology.

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« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2012, 07:54:28 AM »
By doing all these things I relieve myself of the promotional aspect, I just make quenco film, you make USB power sources to sell, you get engadget and such to feature your product, you start a hearing aid battery business, you design electric car power packs.................


See I have a lazy solution that gets things moving faster, do you agree?

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« Reply #56 on: May 22, 2012, 12:28:52 PM »
Hello Mr. Hardcastle,
do you know about this invention  www.powerchips.gi  ?
About cool chips and so on ?
Their intentions has been to produce the KWp chips for 20$ !
But this is a time-long story !

I hope for you that your wishes and ideas will not have  the same results and that you will learn from the Borealis company the difference between success and fiasko !

Sincerely
                 CdL

p.s.:  also the Joseph C. Yater story ( more than 30 years R&D )let me say to you : "Be carefull ! "
p.s.II : you have not to be concerned about the consequences like unemployment of others !

           cheap energy will change the global economy rules !
           Desert can become "paradise" ! Like Phoenix/Arizona (= zona arida )
           Cheap energy for desalinisation, for the agricultury ! www.canlaser.com  : the green desert invention

           And see here another "unemployment risk", inventor Bherokh Khosnevis UCLA :
           http://craft.usc.edu/CC/modern.html   3D house printer : 186sqm in 24 hours productivity
           More than 1 Mio. ,only for the U.S. , construction worker will loose their jobs !
           This is the contour-crafting.org-estimation !
           But construction will become also safer,cheaper and the consumer would change from fossil energy
           combustion heating to electric ambient  heating with positive health effect !
            Much more electric bi-/tri-cycle user in the cities !
           Cheaper hybrid-kits for cars and.... and..... and.... !
           You see : Each actio has ever a reactio,ever and everywhere !
           What you can do is to accelerate the global living style conversion movement !
                       
           And making the poor men a little richer,the rich men a little poorer !
           
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« Reply #57 on: May 22, 2012, 02:10:45 PM »
Yes I am fully aware of powerchips and have in fact had a few conversations and emails with them.


Quenco is completely different from the cool chip.




Hi All,


I have stripped down the website and will not be promoting quenco until I have all the proof.


Quenco is the real thing but there is only so much I can say without proof before people will start accusing me of a scam.


The only proof needed to start this revolution is the handout of a dozen 1mm x 1mm chips.


If the admin / owner of this site (Harti I assume) wishes to contact me I will arrange to send a free quenco chip to you.


Thanks for now


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« Reply #58 on: May 22, 2012, 02:32:45 PM »
Yes I am fully aware of powerchips and have in fact had a few conversations and emails with them.


Quenco is completely different from the cool chip.




Hi All,


I have stripped down the website and will not be promoting quenco until I have all the proof.


Quenco is the real thing but there is only so much I can say without proof before people will start accusing me of a scam.


The only proof needed to start this revolution is the handout of a dozen 1mm x 1mm chips.


If the admin / owner of this site (Harti I assume) wishes to contact me I will arrange to send a free quenco chip to you.


Thanks for now

I wouldn't mind if you sent me a sample to help out :p. I could even go to some big universities here in Belgium for real lab tests.

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« Reply #59 on: May 22, 2012, 04:14:32 PM »
Mr. Hardcastle,

I did not compare the quenco with the power/cool chips !
I adviced you to pay attention for a company which for the first time presented their thermionic converter invention 1997 !!!                                           This are 15 years back !!!

And I named another inventor who get in the seventhies of the last century his thermionic inverter tested by the DOE and functionally aproved . But no more help !

Sincerely
                CdL

p.s.: Later when your prototype will be technical aproved,

        a.  you can also funding your invention by selling 0,%-fee/royalty-rights without to sell patent-right-ownership !

        b. many people can also invest in "options/ natural participation certificate" with the comercial right to buy the
             quenco with fixed %-discount ! ( like time-share )
         

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