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Offline iacob alex

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Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2009, 08:21:03 PM »

.....is a general idea,a suggestion for a possible course of action to achieve a gravity power collector( the "classic" PM ).

     It's a simple quickly made drawing,with no more or no less details ("spare parts")...

     Gravity free fall (v=g*t) is not like a river (v=constant).

     Gravity free fall has more similarities with a strong incoming wave to the beach (or a cascade...),and so with the simplified design of  a wave power plant (capture element and oscillating element).

     A  pendulum free fall in gravity is like an incoming wave to the sea-side.

     A full up-down pendular fall in gravity is even more...

     Maybe,it's conceivable an extreme simplicity,as an electric L-C oscillator....?!

        All the best! / Alex

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Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2009, 08:21:03 PM »

Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2009, 10:48:07 PM »
Hi Alex.

Here is my altered simple Gravity Map, it shows differences in Gravitational Density for an example only. lensing and spokes.

if you looked at this as a whole the topicgraphical gravity would extend into space propagating outwardly into infinity through Gravitational lensing which forms shell like Gravity bubbles around the Earth, the different densities in gravitational structure would form spoke like patterns topicgraphically.

Gravity forms no waves, the waves of the ocean are formed when the body of water tries to achieve a relaxed state from being lensed by a gravitational object which only pulls on other bodies.

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Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2009, 06:38:32 PM »

      Hi Jerry!

  Sorry,here is a misunderstanting...

  I know about the theory of possible gravitational waves,but this kind of quanta are so small,that we can't detect them...so we have no proof.It's out of question to use them...

  If you have not a naturally "tool",you can imagine and build it.

  The quantum theory says that energy is discharged not continuously,but in discrete units (quanta)...this can be valuable not only for electrons,at the big scale of Cosmos.

  Here is the case:let's remind that energy not only travels in quanta...but can be used as quanta,only.

  Then , let's play quanta for gravity,with the help of pendulum!

  A pendulum swing(down-up sequence),is as a reflecting,throw back of a wave on the beach (or of rays of light on a mirror surface,if you like).

  For the general movement,energy the reflection is the most comprehensive phenomenon.

  A pendular up-down free fall motion,can be a suitable "copy" of "quanta packing" of gravitational energy as waves.

  So,simply we have gravity waves,so easy ...and we can play them as we like.

  Maybe,to achieve a PM in reality,we must take into account the universal quantic principle,in some way...

       All the best! / Alex

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Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2009, 02:23:35 AM »
      Hi Jerry!

  Sorry,here is a misunderstanting...

  I know about the theory of possible gravitational waves,but this kind of quanta are so small,that we can't detect them...so we have no proof.It's out of question to use them...

  If you have not a naturally "tool",you can imagine and build it.

  The quantum theory says that energy is discharged not continuously,but in discrete units (quanta)...this can be valuable not only for electrons,at the big scale of Cosmos.

  Here is the case:let's remind that energy not only travels in quanta...but can be used as quanta,only.

  Then , let's play quanta for gravity,with the help of pendulum!

  A pendulum swing(down-up sequence),is as a reflecting,throw back of a wave on the beach (or of rays of light on a mirror surface,if you like).

  For the general movement,energy the reflection is the most comprehensive phenomenon.

  A pendular up-down free fall motion,can be a suitable "copy" of "quanta packing" of gravitational energy as waves.

  So,simply we have gravity waves,so easy ...and we can play them as we like.

  Maybe,to achieve a PM in reality,we must take into account the universal quantic principle,in some way...

       All the best! / Alex

Hi Alex.

If you believe in Gravity waves then I'll support you on it. so what is next?

Jerry 8)


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Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2009, 07:27:29 PM »

    Hi Jerry !

What can I say more,to be explicitly?

The path of words,theory is so long.

The straight and short way is the experiment.

We have some drawings,for the moment.

We have not tests,up until this time...

    All the best! / Alex

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Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2009, 07:27:29 PM »
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Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #50 on: November 03, 2009, 07:54:45 PM »

     ....can open an interesting question.

         If the gravity free fall ,has some similarities with a strong incoming wave to the beach,we can have an equivalent design ,for a possible PM: the wave power plant (captor+ oscillating "column").

         If the gravity free fall is exactly as a water cascade ( a continuous fluid flow with an ever increasing velocity) ,then what can be an efficient,adequate design to collect the gravity/ via cascade/ power,so to aplly this to a possible PM ( "closed" solid state "flow" )?!

            All the best! / Alex

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Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #51 on: November 04, 2009, 07:37:15 PM »

   .....can open the next questions:

         -how can be a "wheel",or something like this,that "charges" adequately the free fall of a high water cascade?!

         -if we have it,can this be a suggestion for a possible PM?!

                 All the best! / Alex

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Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #52 on: November 04, 2009, 08:57:32 PM »
a Gravity to mechanical function doesn't need to be a wheel, see the Mercury Fountain on You-tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1FnF5zUPEE

Mercury has a higher capillary gap and is thermal pressure sensitive so that such a fountain can work on a perpetual basis so long as the Mercury remains in its liquid state, the hotter the day the faster the Mercury flows.

this fundamental action can be used to make a Liquid fall forever or at least a very long time, so long as the Mercury is safely respected it is pretty safe.

Mercury will drive a wheel with more torque than Water in a water wheel generator type system.

follow these guide lines if you want to be successful in making a Gravity assisted device to produce electricity.

the thermal pressure helps the Mercury push itself out of the Capillary tube so that it breaks free from its surface capillary bond, it will continually flow until its elasticity becomes to solid.

these functions work, we should stick with what works.

Gravity is a carrier of kinetic energy, it doesn't contain any real energy other than what is stored, these two extra functions can be used to put additional energy back into Gravity for mechanical use.

convert; Capillary & Thermal Pressure to mechanical Gravitational Kinetic energy.(recycling itself in the process).

Jerry 8)

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Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #53 on: November 04, 2009, 09:20:42 PM »
it would work something like this.

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Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #54 on: November 05, 2009, 04:08:24 PM »
a Gravity to mechanical function doesn't need to be a wheel, see the Mercury Fountain on You-tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1FnF5zUPEE


Mercury liquid metal is 13 times denser than water. It's a lot of fun to
think about how to substitute mercury for water in a buoyancy machines.
The forces though would really build up, though, to potentially
dangerous levels. Since mercury vaporises at room temperature
it really is a forgiveless experimental medium.

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Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #55 on: November 05, 2009, 06:35:48 PM »
Mercury liquid metal is 13 times denser than water. It's a lot of fun to
think about how to substitute mercury for water in a buoyancy machines.
The forces though would really build up, though, to potentially
dangerous levels. Since mercury vaporises at room temperature
it really is a forgiveless experimental medium.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Hi Mark.

you can use the same technique for water in the diagram I showed but water won't be as efficient as mercury because of the boiling point differences.

if you could lower the boiling point of water then the efficiency will increase.

the lower boiling point helps the medium to break the Capillary bond through thermal pressure. pretty simple thermodynamics.

Jerry 8)

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Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #56 on: November 10, 2009, 01:57:21 PM »

    .....has an applicable interpretation at   http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Gravity_Motors   ..."for a rotary device to *work*,is to achieve a full 360 rotation,with acceleration between each complete turn".

         This viewpoint counts upon a "full 360 rotation,with acceleration".

         Simply,a full up-down fall in gravity,of a pendulum ( fulcrum-rod-bob) ,achieves a 180 rotation,with accelearation  ...we have it so easy.

         The next,and only step,is to keep going this motion to a full 360 rotation,with acceleration...nothing more.

         So,let's think in a "pendular manner"...

              All the best! / Alex


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Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #57 on: January 07, 2011, 09:33:11 PM »

  .....in a short,obvious expression :the "wheel" is in fact a variable lever.

      The plain,clear public demonstration you can find on  youtube.com   with "Cirque du Soleil" (the show with one man rotating a huge lever...).Enjoy it...

      If you replace the performer with a simple movable joint mass,and the lever is big...we can hope about the "self".

           All the best! / Alex

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Re: Gravity "wheel" concept
« Reply #58 on: August 09, 2015, 08:31:55 PM »
.....resumes in a simplified symbol , as a pendulum with just barely enough energy for a full swing :
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendulum_(mathematics)#/media/File:Pendulum_190deg.gif
To have "enough energy" , we need an in-out storage ( the best one is inertia...) and a variable counterweighted pendulum ("minimal wheel") , so to play oscillatory leverage...or "wavering gravity ".
As a prime line , take a look at : www.geocities.ws/iacob_alex/Some_Drafts/text028.JPG
      Al_ex

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Re: Gravity "wheel" concept...
« Reply #59 on: August 21, 2015, 11:24:29 AM »
.....this time as a continuous unbalanced ( swinging or rotating ) " modified " weighting scale ( variable/oscillatory leverage ) with a starting point...somewhere at :
     www.isasc.org/Tutorial/Scale-Types.html
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