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« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2012, 10:06:35 PM »
Hi guys, this motor real running one, and its has very much smart inventor.Bravo dear Sir PMMG4HYBRID! It is possible to create.It Is alive motor!
Are we have anyone here who can make el.circuit of this motor on paper based on inventor explanations?:)
Truly
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Re: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2012, 10:24:18 PM »
What's so interesting?!
Q=C*U or U=Q/C
Lower the capacity (C), higher the voltage (U) for a given charge (Q) flowing in the series circuit.

If the big cap was 1nF, the voltage would instantly go to the maximum EMF of that generator. So what?!

Now I have a real difficult question: how it comes a guy knowing so little about electricity has so fancy devices and expensive stuff? That is something I can't really understand. ;)
you completely wrong on your calculations and observations about used caps capacity.Only what I can say as hint - they Are huge as all mountains in the world 100 times ;) PMMG4HYBRID has real talent to see very FAR Sir.Please believe to old soviet Union not bad electric & sophisticated electronic engineer. I am not able to open all true about the motor just because dont have such permission from guy.! You have only one option - make your one research why it is running based on all videos and what electric part of motor doing really.
Have nice research!

It is not so simple like you are going to calculate. Sorry I am not able to translate all my Russian language thoughts, do it via google here is the cap capacitance etc calculations in real as the example:

Зависимость тока в простейшей RC цепи в момент времени t:
I(t) = I0 * e^(-t/T)
где I0 - начальный ток, T = R*C
Время, необходимое на разрядку конденсатора с I0 до I1:
I(t)/I0=e^(-t/T)
-t/T=ln(I(t)/I0)
t=-ln(I(t)/I0)*RC
t=-ln(U1/R / (U0/R))*RC; где U1 - конечное напряжение, U0 - начальное
=========
I=U/R
R=const
Количество амперов которое выдаст конденсатор есть площадь криволинейной трапеции и за время t находится при помощи опредленного интеграла на отрезке [0;t]:
Первообразная F(t):
F(t)=I(t)*dt
F(t)=I0 * e^(-t/T) *dt
F(t)=I0 * e^(-t/T) *dt
F(t)=I0 * -T * e^(-t/T)
F(t)=U0/R * -RC * e^(-t/(RC))
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При условиях
R=10 - постоянное сопротивление в цепи
U0=2.5 - начальное напряжение
U1=1 - конечное
C=20 - емкость (Ф)
t=-ln(1/10/(2.5/10))*10*20
t=183.26 sec - за это время конденсатор разрядится до 1 В
t0=0
t1=183.26 sec.
Summ(t0,t1) = F(t1)-F(t0) = 0.25*-200*e^(-183.26/200) - (0.25*-200*e^(0)) =
-19.99 +50 = 30.01 A*sec
30.01/183.26 = 0.164 A

Итого, в идеальных условиях конденсатор выдаст q=30А*sec (за период t1-t0). Хотя надо понимать что значение тока в цепи убывает по экспоненте от времени. Это значение не зависит от R в цепи. В зависимости от R (=10 ohm) его хватит на 3 минуты до разряда до 1 В с 2.5 В при начальном токе 250mA и конечном токе 100 мА (средний ток 164 mA)



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Re: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries
« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2012, 11:49:57 AM »
you completely wrong on your calculations and observations about used caps capacity.Only what I can say as hint - they Are huge as all mountains in the world 100 times ;) PMMG4HYBRID has real talent to see very FAR Sir.Please believe to old soviet Union not bad electric & sophisticated electronic engineer. I am not able to open all true about the motor just because dont have such permission from guy.! You have only one option - make your one research why it is running based on all videos and what electric part of motor doing really.
Have nice research!

It is not so simple like you are going to calculate. Sorry I am not able to translate all my Russian language thoughts, do it via google here is the cap capacitance etc calculations in real as the example:

Зависимость тока в простейшей RC цепи в момент времени t:
I(t) = I0 * e^(-t/T)
где I0 - начальный ток, T = R*C
Время, необходимое на разрядку конденсатора с I0 до I1:
I(t)/I0=e^(-t/T)
-t/T=ln(I(t)/I0)
t=-ln(I(t)/I0)*RC
t=-ln(U1/R / (U0/R))*RC; где U1 - конечное напряжение, U0 - начальное
=========
I=U/R
R=const
Количество амперов которое выдаст конденсатор есть площадь криволинейной трапеции и за время t находится при помощи опредленного интеграла на отрезке [0;t]:
Первообразная F(t):
F(t)=I(t)*dt
F(t)=I0 * e^(-t/T) *dt
F(t)=I0 * e^(-t/T) *dt
F(t)=I0 * -T * e^(-t/T)
F(t)=U0/R * -RC * e^(-t/(RC))
============
При условиях
R=10 - постоянное сопротивление в цепи
U0=2.5 - начальное напряжение
U1=1 - конечное
C=20 - емкость (Ф)
t=-ln(1/10/(2.5/10))*10*20
t=183.26 sec - за это время конденсатор разрядится до 1 В
t0=0
t1=183.26 sec.
Summ(t0,t1) = F(t1)-F(t0) = 0.25*-200*e^(-183.26/200) - (0.25*-200*e^(0)) =
-19.99 +50 = 30.01 A*sec
30.01/183.26 = 0.164 A

Итого, в идеальных условиях конденсатор выдаст q=30А*sec (за период t1-t0). Хотя надо понимать что значение тока в цепи убывает по экспоненте от времени. Это значение не зависит от R в цепи. В зависимости от R (=10 ohm) его хватит на 3 минуты до разряда до 1 В с 2.5 В при начальном токе 250mA и конечном токе 100 мА (средний ток 164 mA)



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Rob
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Wow! I very like to have mathematics formulas to use to then design and predict, but here, I would like even more to know russian!   :'(

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Re: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2012, 11:53:13 AM »
Hi guys, this motor real running one, and its has very much smart inventor.Bravo dear Sir PMMG4HYBRID! It is possible to create.It Is alive motor!
Are we have anyone here who can make el.circuit of this motor on paper based on inventor explanations?:)
Truly
Rob
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He told me that when he will have finished to make his new set, it will be to make it fully replicated by anybody, with no deception, and that he wanted to take all the time necessary to deliver this quality of product. All what I wish is that he is not going in trouble and deception with his device.
Cheer.

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« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2012, 02:30:58 PM »
He told me that when he will have finished to make his new set, it will be to make it fully replicated by anybody, with no deception, and that he wanted to take all the time necessary to deliver this quality of product. All what I wish is that he is not going in trouble and deception with his device.
Cheer.
Hi dear Khwartz, I don't think that this is going to become open source project because I had never saw in my 50 years life open source projects for such powerfull world breakout projects.May be I am wrong, but I can only recommend here to make mind exercise and work out circuits by your own.
Think deeper, if Mr. HRJ made patents of his magnet liner actuators then why next honorable inventor Mr. PMMG4HYBRID have to create open source project of really running magnet motor with alive electrical SP point solution?
I am able to guess here only one thing - if we are find the shown electrical solution then we can show it to dear Mr.PMMG4HYBRID to show our mind power, knowledge base and by that earn his trust, love to become first free or almost free testers of his solution from his hand.Life is competition and free of charge cheese only in mouse trap cage:)

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rob

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Re: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries
« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2012, 08:46:15 AM »
Hi dear Khwartz, I don't think that this is going to become open source project because I had never saw in my 50 years life open source projects for such powerfull world breakout projects.May be I am wrong, but I can only recommend here to make mind exercise and work out circuits by your own.
Think deeper, if Mr. HRJ made patents of his magnet liner actuators then why next honorable inventor Mr. PMMG4HYBRID have to create open source project of really running magnet motor with alive electrical SP point solution?
I am able to guess here only one thing - if we are find the shown electrical solution then we can show it to dear Mr.PMMG4HYBRID to show our mind power, knowledge base and by that earn his trust, love to become first free or almost free testers of his solution from his hand.Life is competition and free of charge cheese only in mouse trap cage:)

truly
rob
I Rob!
I think I understand your point. But I would like to bring your attention on the point that an inventor can obtain a patent and allow personal replication not allowed for sells, to permit the invention to be produce by industry.
Very in opposite of what I can see here, for me, it's not by personal replications that we will get off the grid everybody, but by industrial manufactures. But as for our device, hard for industry to work without energy (money), while if no patent, which industry will invest while any other can do the same? Well, could be Chinese? Could be, but I can understand too that the inventor could expect to be rewarded for his work too, and without patent, hard to obtain a just retribution of he could bring to Humanity.
As I told you I had few exchanges with him, "Mr M.", and he told me too about working to make it possible for personal replications, even if could be, to make his invention recognized, not losing all the benefits ans rewards for his work, he could patent it to obtain contracts with industry. It's what I can suppose from our conversations. But in any case, he has insist that he is aware of the demand for replication and that he was working to permit that with no deception, if that could be possible for him.
Now, if has been contact by main industrial manager, could be they ask him to not reveal his technology to protect our future market, and then, could be now he is in a problem between his original intentions and the demands of the industry, that could happen too, and that could explain the long silence: by embarrasment  :-\
Cheer, Khwartz.

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« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2012, 11:12:06 AM »
Dear  Khwartz.
1. I did not knew that you are also Rob, nice to know your name>
I Rob!
2. Hope this was typed by mistake, don't be so emotional Rob when someone in the world even from from Far Armenia for suggesting to do your own research to get the el. circuit 
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Very in opposite of what I can see here, for me, it's not by personal replications that we will get off the grid everybody, but by industrial manufactures.
I am not sure that it will go to industrial manufacturing stage as far it is able to cut "oil guys" money very seriously in USA and only there
This project has only one way by now to be developed - small QTY by such guys like Mr. M and other who can guess its structure without help of inventor.
4. If someone need to go on in such breakout motors to avoid "oil guys" penetrations then developed parts & videos must not be on the air.There are 1000 other ways how to spread it.Don't make me crazy I am math & very well educated guy... & don't like "missed shoots"
Actually when I am going to attack anything/someting or someone I am not crying before - HEEEEEYYY I AM COMING TO KILL YOU BIG GUY!
I am trying to communicate/negotiate and establish good manner relations by show all mind power and other power too to explane that we are equal and nobody need "first blood"RAMBO-1 story
Mass production of such good invention are able to create new serial of RAMBO but already not Paramount picture movie real one on the head of inventor. I understood all those things on the road of my personal developments around of this item and now slowdown and thinking more deep - answer in my suggestion here.
5.
which industry will invest while any other can do the same? Well, could be Chinese? Could be.....
China holding ~95% of  rear earth metal natural source of planet - Because of that all this technology will get most powerfull development in China because they are living not so good... I am not counting 30% of their population but counting 70%. I can only imagine what can happen if next 70% will get reach
Furthermore,
If we are all here thinking even in 1 sec that China do not have inventions already then ROFL and LOL - question here - show me 2-3 of such nice inversions at their tubes ets? Are you able? I am waiting that with all my endurance.Are we here to develop China? LOL:)
6. I am writing here already too much letters, so going to stop because magnet motor based on HRJ and other patents already developed. I can sleep calm:)  Now we need to understand how to spread it  for our families to cut electrical and heat bills without having problem with China and Oil Guys!!LOL Crazy to say - unreachable dream and goal already:)

Truly
Rob




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« Reply #37 on: February 11, 2012, 12:43:19 PM »
@ Arrow:
rare earth minerals are not so rare, better to call these minerals Lantanides.

China has reached 95% of the world industrial  'rare earth' minerals exploration and extraction, but this country has not 95% of the world rare earth deposits !
The industrial exploration is there cheaper and the worker health and the ambiental destruction has not a political priority to become resolved and that is the industrial and social difference to other countires with Lantanides deposits.

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« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2012, 04:01:33 PM »
@ Arrow:
rare earth minerals are not so rare, better to call these minerals Lantanides.

China has reached 95% of the world industrial  'rare earth' minerals exploration and extraction, but this country has not 95% of the world rare earth deposits !
The industrial exploration is there cheaper and the worker health and the ambiental destruction has not a political priority to become resolved and that is the industrial and social difference to other countires with Lantanides deposits.

Sincerely
                 CdL
Yeap , sorry for my pure English - it is Lantanides - exactly.
Moreover again agree with you about <but this country has not 95% of the world rare earth deposits !> but it is still the most cheap source because on surface.Many sat. pics proving that.
Only Japan scientists found the way to change history about cheap rare earth deposits ! They are locating on the Ocean bottom at the silt and only they know new technology how to filter it. Only about 5000sq/km of such silt from ocean bottom with Lantanides can cover all of the world need, but nobody know when this will happen. Mean time almost all Neo magnets from China increased by its price, I don't remember the % number, but it is already happening...All this situation with Lantanides and such grate new world breakout inventions telling me about very bad scenarios, sorry Sir...As for me - I am stopping all my research works to be published here or somewhere else to slow down bad scenarios.Hope nobody will be disappointed and thanks for understanding from everybody. I like smart and deep understanding from people, hope to see it after such not crazy in did explanation here.Sorry for Russian - информация взята и базируется на очень серьезные источники! It is time to Energize the scientific info powerfull shield with its max performance until bad scenarios not activated. We shal block 100% copy/paste ablity They are grate in this function, and God bless all of us that only in that! Patenting and publishing them openly will not save us.Rules are working very slow..
Best Regards & Truly
Rob
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« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2012, 06:32:09 PM »
Yes,I heared about these findings !
The  increasing prices of Neodym magnets are the consequence of political export quantity restrictments.
Now up to ten times more the producer have to pay for  Neodym minerals.
But China needs for their 1,3 billion people sufficient minerals reserves  for their own wellfare development and to protect their own high-tech industry !

And the Flynn research team showed us  Neodym is sometimes the wrong way for efficiency improvements.
They went back to use ceram5/8 magnets.
Magnets and capacitors,yes ! Rare earth minerals: not absolutely needed !

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« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2012, 06:52:21 PM »
Dear  Khwartz.
Hi Arrow.
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1. I did not knew that you are also Rob, nice to know your name>
lol, no, Rob is the mane of the person I've quoted, I mean you I think ;)

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2. Hope this was typed by mistake, don't be so emotional Rob when someone in the world even from from Far Armenia for suggesting to do your own research to get the el. circuit
hehe, I think you're answering to the real "Rob", not me ;)

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3.I am not sure that it will go to industrial manufacturing stage as far it is able to cut "oil guys" money very seriously in USA and only there
This project has only one way by now to be developed - small QTY by such guys like Mr. M and other who can guess its structure without help of inventor.
In France, some guys have started to run in a industrial stage and sell to industry and even state too :) but yes, still at a very low level of spreading  :-\

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4. If someone need to go on in such breakout motors to avoid "oil guys" penetrations then developed parts & videos must not be on the air.There are 1000 other ways how to spread it.Don't make me crazy I am math & very well educated guy... & don't like "missed shoots"
Actually when I am going to attack anything/someting or someone I am not crying before - HEEEEEYYY I AM COMING TO KILL YOU BIG GUY!
I am trying to communicate/negotiate and establish good manner relations by show all mind power and other power too to explane that we are equal and nobody need "first blood"RAMBO-1 story
Do you address you to me? Rob, I don't understand, I'm not to war here against anybody! lol

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Mass production of such good invention are able to create new serial of RAMBO but already not Paramount picture movie real one on the head of inventor.
Oh, I see now, like the witnessing of an engineer who explain that guys came to an inventor saying wanted to help him, and destroy his credibility by modifying his invention in a way it didn't worked like presented? Or like Steven MARK bad stories said on him, that made him no more communicating with the rest of the world?
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I understood all those things on the road of my personal developments around of this item and now slowdown and thinking more deep - answer in my suggestion here.
ok :)
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5. China holding ~95% of  rear earth metal natural source of planet - Because of that all this technology will get most powerfull development in China because they are living not so good... I am not counting 30% of their population but counting 70%. I can only imagine what can happen if next 70% will get reach
don't know.

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Furthermore,
If we are all here thinking even in 1 sec that China do not have inventions already then ROFL and LOL - question here - show me 2-3 of such nice inversions at their tubes ets? Are you able? I am waiting that with all my endurance.Are we here to develop China? LOL:)
Sorry, surely my bad english, I don't well understand you, Rob :/

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6. I am writing here already too much letters, so going to stop because magnet motor based on HRJ and other patents already developed. I can sleep calm:)  Now we need to understand how to spread it  for our families to cut electrical and heat bills without having problem with China and Oil Guys!!LOL Crazy to say - unreachable dream and goal already:)
What about a kind of "International Association For Free Energy Promotion", which could shortened all the system to produce the devices by itself and sell it to pay the promotion to make it known?

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« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2012, 07:26:31 PM »
Rare earth minerals: not absolutely needed !

Sincerely
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I am very sorry, not agree with you in this issue. most powerful wind turbines etc based on that technology, but not ceramic one.
If they need any maintenance( they need them definitely) it means Neo magnets will have long life.
Chemically based on metal composition metal is metal but metal  ceramic can not ever cover that magnetic power need because of magnetic particles dencity "diluted" by ceramic particles.sorry don't know English such good to explane it not with kid language...
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« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2012, 07:43:36 PM »

What about a kind of "International Association For Free Energy Promotion", which could shortened all the system to produce the devices by itself and sell it to pay the promotion to make it known?

;) You had answer to this question automatically by expression "What about <a kind of>" - It must be not "a kind of" already now and many years  in did to reach the goal:) please give me back my powerfull microscope to see them at real scale fight :)
I have on my cable about 250 tv never heard or see about them...funny, and pity in the same time...
only when I had digout 1000 kg info I have seen them...my opinion they are only glueplug and I can not see "gas and chamber" that can create cinetic energy in such movement :)

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« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2012, 07:56:48 PM »

In France, some guys have started to run in a industrial stage and sell to industry and even state too :) but yes, still at a very low level of spreading  :-\

any links to see?
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« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2012, 12:48:03 AM »
well, guys its seems to me something going on at yt subscription at PMMG4HYBRID. I was removed twice from it and inventor telling me that it is not him who removing me, I believe him.So, takecare guys , it is started! :(
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