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Author Topic: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries  (Read 165265 times)

Offline DadHav

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Re: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2012, 08:54:34 PM »
Hey Gary, that's very interesting. Tell us more. Are the magnets polarized with the north and south on the faces. Did you just stick them anywhere you wanted on the case. Maybe I just need to try this myself. You know it doesn't make any sense right? Although maybe someone has the technical explanation. I would like to hear it. I design my own motors and the technology might be something useful. Have a look here if you're interested in such things and haven't been to my channel yet:
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Thanks. I appreciate the comment.
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Re: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2012, 09:40:11 PM »
Hi All,

This is a sim of the current cap configuration. The sim assumes that the voltage coming out of the generator is constant and is not affected by the motor even while it is losing power. Also pre-charging the bottom cap to 12v makes no difference to the sim as it still shows the same downward curve.

You can see from the graphs that the top caps are taking on the lost charge of the bottom cap and it will eventually starve the motor as the current decreases.

Top caps in series = (1/1F)+(1/1F)+(1/120mF)=96mF
Bottom caps in series = 1F/3 = 333mF

Import code to circuit sim @ http://www.falstad.com/circuit/

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$ 1 5.0E-6 382.76258214399064 50 5.0 50
c 288 224 288 288 0 0.096 9.73945003037359
g 288 352 288 400 0
R 288 144 288 64 0 0 40.0 12.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
c 288 288 288 352 0 0.333 0.023169253331816946
r 288 144 288 224 0 100.0
r 368 288 368 352 0 1.0
w 288 352 368 352 0
w 288 288 368 288 0
w 288 224 224 224 0
w 288 352 224 352 0
p 224 224 224 352 1
p 432 288 432 352 1
w 432 352 368 352 0
w 432 288 368 288 0
p 368 288 368 224 1
w 288 224 368 224 0
o 0 8192 0 35 10.0 0.2 0 -1
o 3 8192 0 35 0.15625 0.2 1 -1
o 11 16384 0 34 0.15625 9.765625E-5 2 -1


If anyone has suggestions please post.

If he could make a continual cap charger that would be great, just have two banks of caps and a switching circuit.

Bank A: charging
Bank B: running load
switch
Bank A: running load
Bank B: charging
switch
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Re: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2012, 06:10:10 PM »
I don't know. Before trying to figure out exactly how this machine works, I'm wondering why he said "Is this over unity or not? I'll let you decide" Why doesn't he say it is or isn't. If I had something over unity I would be yelling it from the highest hill. I couldn't wait to get on to the next test to show off my find. I could think of all kind of interesting tests to prove what I have. Where are the follow up videos or even better credible verification from someone. I'm tired of things that are shrouded in mystery and self discovery. I challenge this guy to give us solid proof of concept. How many people here have tried to duplicate the Mike motor or the Romero motor or how many others? The Stargate Motor? Come on. You can't just slap magnets around the outside of a DC motor anywhere you want without knowing exact timing by position as well as manyother things and expect to see results. Not to mention the outside steel of the case is a form of keeper and will let very little trough to the other side.  Has anyone ever built a Stargate motor? Sorry guys this all looks to familiar to me. The only thing missing here so far is instructions or a DVD for sale.
John H
Because you probably prefer to have someone who is too sure of his results and will make you losing time to replicate for nothing?
It's not so often that an experimentator has kind of humility.
I know this feeling because I've experienced before: thinking that could be we have it, but then the deception. So what we do then? We are prudent, checking and rechecking. Can't you appreciate that he could take time to present not just a "possibility of" because of lake of withdraw from, to something presented with more rigour and not "on fire" of the big joy to get a very nice effect with his apparatus while having just successfully changed a way to set it?
Lets give him some time to prepare his next vid! As you can see on his vid, the quality of his artefacts are quite good, I think he would be used take his time to make it good.
Any way, being so critical I'm not sure that you deserve for a benefit of his long way work... and why would he come here to read such critics???

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Re: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2012, 06:17:16 PM »
Hey Gary, that's very interesting. Tell us more. Are the magnets polarized with the north and south on the faces. Did you just stick them anywhere you wanted on the case. Maybe I just need to try this myself. You know it doesn't make any sense right? Although maybe someone has the technical explanation. I would like to hear it. .../...
And why don't you have a look to his previous vid on his StarGate-Motor, before to goes so critical in your previous post? He all explains it...


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Re: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2012, 06:37:53 PM »
Hi All,

This is a sim of the current cap configuration. The sim assumes that the voltage coming out of the generator is constant and is not affected by the motor even while it is losing power. .../...
Hi DreamThinBuild!
That's great you made this sim, but the conditions that have been changed looks to me very essential, as yes, the generator has not constant voltage but increases, and that is that the interaction of the whole that could make it work.
Regards.

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Re: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries
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Re: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2012, 07:29:23 PM »
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 You know it doesn't make any sense right? Although maybe someone has the technical explanation. I would like to hear it. I design my own motors and the technology might be something useful. Have a look here if you're interested in such things and haven't been to my channel yet:
http://www.youtube.com/user/DadHav[/size][/color][/size][/color]
Thanks. I appreciate the comment.
John H.

Hi John H,

It seems it doesn’t make sense but imho it does.
Yes, there is a technical explanation: commercial electric motors are primarily optimized for cost-performance and only secondary for energy performance.

Have a look at Lorentz force and force on a current-carrying wire: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force
Force is proportional to the magnitude of magnetic field (B). So, yes, if magnetic field is increased, the torque increases too, hence higher rpm. Yet, the issue is not that simple because for a given motor and a given rpm and current, a higher B involves a higher counter electromotive force (CEMF) because CEMF depends on the time-change rate of magnetic flux (dB/dt). That further means the motor needs a higher voltage to run. In final, summing up the two above, the motor requires less current but higher voltage. Because power is voltage x current, it is irrelevant if current is lower if nothing is being said about voltage...
Anyway, in general, higher the B means a more efficient motor because of the physical dependencies involved (B versus dB/dt). If cost of magnets is not an issue, most PMM motors can be made slightly more efficient but not decisively; as known, typical efficiencies of 90-95% are not uncommon. Likewise, efficiency may be increased if motor would be provided with frictionless bearings, with better magnetic materials, or run in vacuum, or externally extra-cooled or even made superconductive but unfortunately most of these options are not very affordable/cost-effective.
For a common PMM just search with a compass for the permanent magnets (number, position and polarity) and then place the external PMMs so the magnetic field always adds; if one can cut the original casing and then close the external magnetic circuit is much better but simply adding the external magnets would do it for current purposes. The external magnets shall ideally have the same thickness as the internal ones.

Let me express my appreciation for your excellent engineering&building skills and excuse the long wording above that was aimed not to you but for everyone to understand if interested.

Best regards,
Tinu

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Re: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2012, 03:00:21 AM »
Here is more info directly from the inventor.

Sorry I am a bit late with this:

Yes, you may have permission to copy.

Regarding your question, there are no batteries of any kind connected to this device as shown. Just the capacitors that you see.

I must admit that I'm somewhat frightened by your term "Perpetual Energy System". I don't have a death wish. Let's call it a "Potential Free Energy Device". That will take the heat off of me. I'm not looking for fame and fortune, just answers and solutions. My other videos will show you that.

As a matter of fact, this experiment was simply a "what if" scenario. I'm just as astonished with the result as everyone else. I'm not absolutely sure of what is happening, but I have a couple of reasonable synopsis. The first is spoken of in the video, though disputed by some. The second is that the 16v cap quickly loads (charges) then becomes an open conduit for generated power to freely flow through it into the smaller caps, thus itself eliminating the resistance typically apparent when generating rectified DC directly from the axial flux alternator to the smaller caps. It acts almost as if the generator isn't even engaged. Blows my mind.

Didn't mean to get so wordy here, I'm just still a bit excited. I keep thinking to myself that I've built these other great devices that haven't been made into videos yet, but now, who's going to want to see them after this one.

Thanks for your interest.
M.





Stefan,

Funny that you mention overcharging. My first connection to the stargate motor included all of the smaller caps. The voltage rose to over 40v so quickly that I thought the caps were destroyed for certain. But they weren't.

Did you see my response ? It's actually a third possible synopsis.

I said:
"It's also possible that these capacitors have become strangely conditioned after many years and millions of high voltage BEMF pulses fed into them". After all, this device was designed years ago to be a simplified pulse motor/generator for easy replication.

The solid state relay draws its tiny amount of power on the switch side from even the smallest charge in the capacitors. But guess what, the EM pulse was completely disengaged during this experiment. Why? The open door scenario explained in the Quanta video comes into play, and the HJ type stator arrangement provides a slight gain in angular momentum.

M.

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Stefan,

There will always be skeptics. Usually it's someone with a personal problem that is simply jealous of another's accomplishments. I see this in business every day. I can certainly assure you that the machine you see in the video is in its entirety. Nothing else exists or is connected.


I'm not necessarily opposed to individuals replicating it.

As time permits, I will try to make another video showing it under load while charging and accelerating, and maybe spinning it around for those who have difficulty accepting reality. Don't they realize that technology always moves in a forward direction? We've had the ability to do this for the past 18 years since Takahashi developed the first neo. It's just been overlooked.

M

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Stefan,


Feel free to post my additional info comments to you.
 I don't want your viewers getting pissed off thinking that they will never get the opportunity to replicate, because they most likely will.

Finally, I haven't given you the cap values yet because I've got an idea of how to increase charging volume and speed even more. I want this thing to be at maximum performance for the greatest benefit. So I have a little more testing to do first, for now. I'm also considering during this time to try magnetically coupling the DC motor instead of direct as shown, to possibly further reduce the friction equation.

You can use that last paragraph too.

I appreciate your help in boosting my subscriber base.

Take care.
M
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You're so funny Stefan. You keep pushing for capacitor info. Of course they're double layer capacitors. They wouldn't last for one second if they weren't. Another reason why the voltage is so low. They're an older version with lower storage, but they yield much higher efficiency in charge and discharge rates, and keep the electric flow smooth. That's an absolute must.

The big cap on the top is just that... big. Nothing special about it, but necessary to cut generator resistance for a nice free flow into the DL's.

Everyone knows the importance of proper wire and connections. The inefficient test leads were used because this was simply a last minute experiment that happened to produce a remarkable result. There are many losses already in this device, and yet it accelerates quite nicely.

I have to be absolutely convinced without a shadow of a doubt before making any claims, but when I do, I know it's correct. In any case, research sure is fun to do.

M
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Stefan,

A few months ago a friend of mine mentioned to me that if I wanted to show my experiments and inventions on YouTube, not to show the good ones like the self charger and others I haven't yet shown. He said if you do, the vultures will circle.

For fun, I decided to read some of the comments on your forum, and a couple of them made me realize what he meant. Most are OK, and some even give reasonable suggestions or would just like to see more tests. That's fine. But then there are ones who think they have all the answers. You know the type.

I'm not complaining, I expected this response. But then I read a comment from some person named "tinu" where he said "Now I have a real difficult question: how it comes a guy knowing so little about electricity has so fancy devices and expensive stuff? That is something I can't really understand."

I just didn't want him to sway your opinion of my skills since it's your website.

Brief story: When I was 15 before graduating high school, two men came to my parents house to offer me a full college scholarship in electronics. I wasn't too interested at the time because I was busy piloting aircraft around the country. "Tinu" says I'm supposed to be the "guy knowing so little about electricity". Uneducated and ignorant statements like that, keep me off the forums. Just wanted you to know. I will show and divulge information when I see fit. I try very hard not to make claims. I'm not in this for egotistical purposes as many individuals are.

I know these guys are only guessing at what's going on in my circuitry, because I haven't revealed it yet. I like where this "DadHav" guy doubting even the Stargate Motor is put in his place when "garrypm" successfully replicates the concept. Now that's good forum stuff.

In one of the many tests I've conducted on the self charger setup, I connected two of the little 12v ATV lead acid batteries in series for 24v to run the motor. I disconnected the capacitors from the system. Then geared the motor down with cheap pulleys and belt 6:1 to run the large rotor. After 30 minutes of running the motor at 3000 rpm and backfeeding generated power, the batteries voltage increased by 1.3v. No capacitors used at all. I may conduct that test again, video it and post it to my channel once the vultures settle down a bit.

M.

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Re: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries
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Re: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2012, 03:29:26 AM »
thx, Stephan, this's very promising thing...
combined Adams motor with HJ acceleration and collecting power from attached alternator;

i've tried this idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH-1rjKbdEM


but increase in rpm and in charge the same time is just BIG...
thx, M, whoever you are...

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Re: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2012, 06:14:30 AM »
After viewing the motor-generator video clip I decided to subscribe to M's channel. I can discern that there is ingenuity in this gentleman's work. I recognize the elegance of his construction and the humility of a genius in such a configuration. Few inventors possess these abilities at the same time, that make this case study unique.
I believe this is not a Mylow, or Romero, or a Caggiano case of sensational discoveries turning into unsolved misteries that nobody can replicate.
I sincerely look forward to seeing M's success to refine his elegant combinations of several devices into an overunity apparatus, that is, a magnetic reforced dc PM motor, a HJ Wankel variation motor, a PM axial generator, and finally, a tesla switch capacitor charger.
Maybe some circuitry from Konehead of EVGray can help M to recover the BEMK and coil shorting spikes to make the motor-generator even more efficient.
This is the most promising stuff I have seen so far in the 2012, besides the E-Catalyzer of Andrea Rossi. 

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Re: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2012, 10:31:40 AM »
After viewing the motor-generator video clip I decided to subscribe to M's channel.
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I've been looking for his other video's without success. Could you post a link to subscribe to M's Channel

Curious.

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Re: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2012, 07:17:37 PM »
I had doubts about this setup when I saw it after doing a little google research but having seen his responses now to Stefan I have a lot more confidence in all this.  His replies indicate a lot of intelligence and with that I tend to believe he has something to watch closely.  I just hope he realizes how many times everyone here has been down a path full of HOPE only to have it disappear like dew in the morning sunlight.  And I hope he knows how badly this planet and people need a good alternate source of clean power.  It can save so many and do so much good.   

 Then again this video from him seems a bit contrary to his replies to Stefan and sounds more like an advertisement for selling magnetic generators:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wmshnblSxI&feature=plcp&context=C3148086UDOEgsToPDskJV28pxIRtW3Pw24Lc-YN0S

  I'll keep an eye on this

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Re: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2012, 10:56:05 PM »
I had doubts about this setup when I saw it after doing a little google research but having seen his responses now to Stefan I have a lot more confidence in all this.  His replies indicate a lot of intelligence and with that I tend to believe he has something to watch closely.
Hi e2matrix!
Yes, he want to be sure of what it does, he doesn't want to disappoint anybody, and most of all, as he has a very professional way: he'd like to well finishing his work that it could be real used then after as he deliver it, with no deception for replication. That's why he takes is time to afford a good product for anybody.

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  I just hope he realizes how many times everyone here has been down a path full of HOPE only to have it disappear like dew in the morning sunlight.
It's exactly what I was talking about :)

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  And I hope he knows how badly this planet and people need a good alternate source of clean power.  It can save so many and do so much good.   
It is his main motivation, I can tell you he is very aware of this, for the few personal mess I have exchanged with him.

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Then again this video from him seems a bit contrary to his replies to Stefan and sounds more like an advertisement for selling magnetic generators:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wmshnblSxI&feature=plcp&context=C3148086UDOEgsToPDskJV28pxIRtW3Pw24Lc-YN0S
Yes, but I think there is lot of fun too while presenting this vid as a trailer for his future other vids he made then after ;) And you can see too right at the beginning of, which purpose he try to reach, and this is all about ecology :)
Cheer, Khwartz.

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I'll keep an eye on this


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Re: Accelerating motor-generator selfcharging capacitors without any batteries
« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2012, 08:00:17 PM »
   Can you ask the place where this motor came from. Would like to order one for tests with.
   Thanks

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