@All,
 With Bessler's working wheel, there is math that supports it's potential to work.
The expression is 1m a/ 8ma-a=x       
                                1ma/8m =  x
                                    x = .125ma     .125ma is the potential of the wheel to accelerate because of gravity's effect on it.
 This is a basic thought. m is a variable which can be any weight. An example is m could be 1kg. Then 1m would be 1kg and 2m would be 2kg, etc. And with a-a, it is because gravity acts equally on both sides of the wheel.
As with any machine, there is always room for improvement. It might be possible once the design is better understood to increase the 1m to a higher value such as 2 or 3 m.
 
edited to add; to consider what it would take to rotate a wheel at 60rpm like Bessler did, the velocity of the outside edge of the wheel would need to be considered.
 Since gravity accelerates at 9.8m/s/s, it would need to be considered the maximum circumfrence would be 9.8m.
 By dividing 9.8/Pi = 3.12 meters in diameter or about 7.8 feet. Smaller than some of the wheels Bessler demonstrated. Of course, the smaller the wheel, the quicker it can rotate.
 But with a wheel that would perform work, size would matter. This is because the over balance weight would be equal to the work it could perform. An example of this is if the wheel used 8 weights that were 3kg, then the over balance weight could be 10kg. By undrestanding that the 10kg weight would be on the outside periphery of the wheel, it would be factored as torque. And then by understanding the axle is an output shaft, you could then consider that as bhp or brake horse power and would know how much work the engine (wheel) could perform.
 Then it would be as simple as automotive mechanics 
 
 And to think Bessler wanted to start a school for this, lmao !

  Something all the experts at besslerwheel have missed. That none of Bessler's drawings
show warped boards. Probably because it would allow any ignorant fool to build his wheel.
 Actually, it just kept it secret longer. If warped boards were added to Mt 20, then you would
have Bessler's cross section. Then the long lever would be using the short lever to work the
pump. After all, ever consider how much it rotates for no reason ? An example of the potential
it has to perform work. And contrary to what the loudmouths at besslerwheel think, this is
worth doing right if it is to be accomplished. Otherwise, junk is just that, junk.
 
  @all, since I don't have the means to do a proper build myself, I will have someone build it for me.
I think the reduction in stress will be worth it. Of course, this means I will need to do a very detailed
drawing that any skilled craftsman could work from.
 I might do some of the details such as pouring my own weights. I've poured babbitt before. Of course,
for this, I might buy some weights that won't take away from the quality of work of the wheel   

I see the concept but you will have to build bladders or bellows in order to suck the water uphill as it were. Another thing I have encountered in a similar attempt of mine (using water and weights) is the realization that a water column is very resistant to moving uphill .Read Wagner's second critique .

   christo,
 Couldn't follow your link. But yes, I do believe water would be difficult to work with.
I have found out that the adhesion and cohesion of water aremore of a problem than
a person would think. What people have failed to consider is what Bessler had available to him. Oil. It's viscous and self lubricating. Water is a coolant but has no lubricating properties.
 If he used suede like I think he might have, oil would have been his best option.
It would also help to keep the suede airtight. Airtight and water tight are the same thing.
 
                                                                                    Jim
                                                                 

Here's a clue for you from AP translated from German with googletranslate :" Namely, a work of art must drift along but also many pieces of lead; There are now two and two ; If a thing outward the body,with the goal,the other to the shaft ; This is now here , and that there : and so moves on and on."

Without going into the details of my design just let me say here that human beings in general tend to complicate things . Bessler's clues , when read with a certain understanding and a certain approach and a specific design in mind suddenly become exceedingly clear and meaningful . That is my perspective and I will not apologize for having this view as it was difficult to arrive here . In any quest there are certain milestones which serve to inform the traveler whether or not they have strayed or not from the true path .   
johnny874,
Wouldn't it be wonderful to know beyond a reasonable doubt what specifically it was that Bessler committed to in his design ?

  >>  Wouldn't it be wonderful to know beyond a reasonable doubt what specifically it was that Bessler committed to in his design ?  <<
 
   I think it would be. It would let everyone one know for sure the different wheels he built.
 Unfortunately, I doubt this will ever happen. People regardless of what is demonstrated will always consider other possibilities. Needless to say, even with working wheels, his "mystery" will continue to live on.
 And that is okay with me.

   @All,
 Have found a place to work. It'll take me a little time to
get everything set up. It will be very nice being able to
use a normal router and drill press. It will make building
tooling and jigs that much easier. And the detail work ?
That should go much better as well.
 It will be a 10x10 work area. That will give me plenty of
room to have a couple of work benches and room left
over for assembling and testing wheels and builds.
 Next Saturday is the "move in" date. This will give me a little
time to work out the costs of building those work benches.
 Never thought I would or could get excited about something
like that.
 Not sure if ya'all interested in a shop set up so will probably
wait until I have something built to post about.
 
                                                    Jim

  @All,
 Rented a work space today. Since the 10x10's did not have electricity, they put me in a 10x15 unit.
And with April and nicer weather coming soon, I can look forward to equipping my "little" shop.
 It is about a 30 mile drive from where I live but I think it is something that will work just fine.

                                                                                                             Jim

   @All,
 Have for the most part built a bench top for my old computer desk. I'll probably finish it this coming weekend.
Need to add a couple of stiffeners. Considering that I'll be routing a 20 inch radius, do need something solid and flat.
 Then I'll be able to get to building jigs and making parts. Will take time but something that will be more interesting that doing the prep work. I am hoping to be able to use my plunger router as a drill. If not, then later on I can by a drill press. Do have my rotary tool drill stand and if I only need 1/4 inch or smaller, then I can by a new rotary tool.
 We'll see.

                                                                                                                                 Jim

Hi Jim,


Call me what ever you want, that is fine, "BUT" , in your quest please see that Bessler did not pump the water up to the top, not ever, it does not work that way, BTDT


Too much wine and tooo many thoughts and experiments.


If you like, use my email not this group.  I do not like the drop outs in server values.

   Webby1,
 When I get enough built, I'll show it to you. Then maybe you'll understand better what I'm thinking.
I'll pm you when I get that far. I'll probably start building this week. It's what I've been waiting for. But with so many private builders around, would rather keep my specific build techniques private.

                                                                                                                                       Jim