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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #75 on: November 10, 2011, 10:40:55 PM »
  When I open a capacitor can, the inside of the cans are very shinny and protected by the oil that is inside that is used for that purpose, and are not oxidized at all. The outside of the cans are protected by a hermetically sealed plastic coating, and are also very shinny.  If there is oxidation there, I do not see it. You can check this out for yourself. And to further the make the point, the aluminum as well as the copper both conduct very well, both ways. Not so with the semiconductor layer, which is a non electrical conductor, and only allows ion flow to filter through it. But does not not allow electrical current through. 
  When using copper for the anodes I make sure the metal is shinny, and also add the conductive grease on it to prevent further oxidation. As in only a matter of a few hours the metals can start to corrode when exposed to the very humid salt filled air that is always present here next to the beach.
 
   I am not saying that there is no benefit to the semiconductor idea, as I am really hoping that that will be one of the ways of obtaining the higher output, that I'm not currently seeing now. But I would be more inclined to get behind it if there was more than just the same two volts or less, and some mA involved. As that can be obtained as Brad has shown by just holding the two metals, or by putting two metals in a glass of water.
   I am not saying this to counter any thoughts about the semiconductor idea, just adding my two cents.  As I could be wrong on this, and that the metals are acting as semiconductors even when they are conducting fine both ways, and are still very shinny,  but I doubt it.
 
   

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« Reply #76 on: November 10, 2011, 11:29:18 PM »
  When I open a capacitor can, the inside of the cans are very shinny and protected by the oil that is inside that is used for that purpose, and are not oxidized at all. The outside of the cans are protected by a hermetically sealed plastic coating, and are also very shinny.  If there is oxidation there, I do not see it. You can check this out for yourself. And to further the make the point, the aluminum as well as the copper both conduct very well, both ways. Not so with the semiconductor layer, which is a non electrical conductor, and only allows ion flow to filter through it. But does not not allow electrical current through. 
  When using copper for the anodes I make sure the metal is shinny, and also add the conductive grease on it to prevent further oxidation. As in only a matter of a few hours the metals can start to corrode when exposed to the very humid salt filled air that is always present here next to the beach.
 
   I am not saying that there is no benefit to the semiconductor idea, as I am really hoping that that will be one of the ways of obtaining the higher output, that I'm not currently seeing now. But I would be more inclined to get behind it if there was more than just the same two volts or less, and some mA involved. As that can be obtained as Brad has shown by just holding the two metals, or by putting two metals in a glass of water.
   I am not saying this to counter any thoughts about the semiconductor idea, just adding my two cents.  As I could be wrong on this, and that the metals are acting as semiconductors even when they are conducting fine both ways, and are still very shinny,  but I doubt it.
 
 

 I understand Nick and my attempt at trying to improve the process didn't go over well at least you didn't see it as a suggestion. I was trying to make you see what little effect we were getting from the captret. These units do way beyond what the captret do.

 The oxide layer is exactly what I have seen in the capacitor that I pulled apart. It had I believe a water borax solution as a wet electrolyte. This way if a short happens the borax instantly heals the oxide layer to repair the breach. Why exactly do you think the electrolytic caps are polarized? Why have most seen a rather weak recharging effect from the electrolytics. The reason for the weakness is the layer is not big enough. In my newest unit it uses a big gauge aluminum wire coiled around a 5.6 mm graphite lead, artist quality. This coil is situated in a borax coating on the aluminum with epsom salt and salt substitute(potassium). I par boiled the glass container the coil is in until all the crystals went away then set it to cool. I am waiting at the moment for it to solidify slowly. The water is being ejected into the air as the crystals form then fall down to pile up and grow into a mass. I will have to do the process again I think because a fissure is forming going down through the mass to repair the fissure but it is already showing higher voltage then the IB glue cells that I made. The aluminum looks very bright and shinny in the borax salt combo..

 I will see as this thing dries out what it will settle at and what the current capability is once it is fully setup. I figure another couple of days and it will start putting out a good amount of current. We will see...

 The only reason I listened to John B about the diode is because it has been proven by him and others on this forum. When you have a diode it has a bias level to hold it open. Thats what the differences in the metals are for or in my case 1.09v for graphite and aluminum. I have seen higher but they tend to settle at 1.09 volts. Getting magnesium and adding alum will protect the magnesium and the cupric copper will protect the copper. The only thing we use water for is to solidify the structure after heating it up. In that process it will expell the water to the base levels of the crystals. Once that is done galvanics go away and the general operating levels should maintain the water flow within the crystals without touching the metal. Yes the water flows within the crystals. Think of it like a circular fluid pump. use a motivator and it pressurizes and circulates transferring charge through the cell. now since Aluminum acts real well to the electric fields it induces charge as the water flows by it inductively. And the can or other aluminum shield sucks charges from the environment to be picked up statically by the water. This flows twords the center electrode depositing the potential the water is carrying. Since most of the crystals we are using use oxygen as a transporter of the charges seeing that hydrogen bonds to the crystalline structure holding it together and the oxygen is free to move to the next crystal. either way we are getting a results that is not in the end galvanic.

 I would suggest that any of these cells be fully dried before using as using them before they start growing is detrimental to the flow paths inside of the growing crystal cell. Just let the crystals setup before using the cell. This way the potential of the metals will fully bias the crystals and dry in that condition. In effect we are creating a static electric field magnet and it must be rigid or it will destroy the pathways before they have set hard. It takes time for this to happen.

 Nick All I'm suggesting is to anodize the aluminum before you use it. This way the diode is set and ready to go. Add the carbon(electric conductor not current) and the crystal layers act like reeds in a wood wind. They vibrate because of the flow of charges flowing past them through electric induction. These crystals you are using (quarts) are highly piezoelectric. They respond to electric fields as well as causing them.

 This brings me to the shape of the aluminum can. If it tapers twords the open end it raises the potential by constriction of the electric field or charges. This can cause higher power. The outside of the can must be kept clean and free of oxidation. This could be done by a drying agent like silica  beads maybe.
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« Reply #77 on: November 11, 2011, 01:26:14 AM »
 I started thinking about the video IB showed earlier about water and surfaces. I started to know actually how these crystals form. They are built on the crystalline water from the previous plane of a previous crystal. It builds the lattice  via this method and ejects the bulk water in the process. Just like in the video there are layers that form. They are distinct and when viewed with contrasting dyes you can see the aether in motion as it flows through the matter of the solid and into the crystalline water in the picture. It forms channels and starts twisting like a reverse tornado. The resulting formations are based on the actual crystal structure in all matter except biological matter and it has a signature that is broadcasting it's signature to the environment. The layers above are where the crystalline sheets are forming and falling below onto the matter. They stack via flow induction and suck to the matter after all sides are formed. The tip must be blunt because of the flow of the aether blasts it away dissolving it with the crystalline water as it drags the water behind it loosely. Oxidation must stop at the surface between two layers nearest to the plane of the matter or the first layer. When we add super saturated bulk water it has a lot of material to use to build from the initial crystal structure present in the matter also know as a seed crystal.
 
The thing with piezoelectric matter is it conducts static well and amplifies the speed of the static or charges via geometry and diminishing surface area at the tip. Static in motion is energy personified. And water is respondent to static charges. Try the comb near the faucet experiment and you will see.

 I'm hoping you understand how I see this. Does it sound right?
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« Reply #78 on: November 11, 2011, 02:30:20 AM »
  Does it sound right?
   Well, I can't really answer that, as to speculate on what I have not done would not be too prudent. What I can say is that we need to make the cells stronger, much stronger, or we may as well use the regular batteries that work very well.  I don't feel that we need to totally understand how the cells work, in order to build them. I think that although research is important, the hand on approach can be the best way to get there. Especially by taking advantage of what other have already done and have learned, so we don't waist as much time going through the same thing.
  What we know for sure is that Mg and Carbon are the two best strongest opposing electronegative sources, and since carbon can't be doped, the next best thing is copper, or gold perhaps, or gold platted copper.
  As we are still in the infancy of these cells we must continue to experiment, sometimes blindly, and sometimes coping what has been shown to work. But, it should be fun, as that is also why we are here.
  Really what matters is how much output we can obtain, and if that output can be sustained at a usable working level, without dropping, as most cell have done. So, let's keep at it, John B has been leading the way, with his 8 led carbonate cell. He is devoted to the cause, and is sharing what he can.
 

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« Reply #79 on: November 11, 2011, 03:05:59 AM »
 Yes nick the Carbonate cells work but they are dependent on water as a consumption medium. If you read up on Sodium Carbonate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_carbonate --you will see what John did. Nothing surprising there.

 Your idea is very very intelligent. We know there is something surrounding matter polarizing that area. So the aluminum can polarizes the flow within the aluminum and slightly around it. The carbon is highly resistant to current flow. It blocks it but not the potential applied to it. If you want to increase the power then add the dielectric layer to the polarized matter and it will be harder to reverse bias the diode that is created on the aluminum. You can still use it dry as you do. This should vastly increase your output because it can not leak out backwards and has only one way to go out, the positive electrode.. Think of it like this. You are creating a flow and the surface area connected to the environment is way bigger then the internal space. This causes a pressure in the space. The carbon conducts the voltage only and very little current if any. This potential has the ability to squeeze and raise it's potential. Adding the crystalline matter only helps to induce more potential as well from it's piezoelectric and static capabilities. The "current" problems we are seeing come from the ability to hold the charges within the can. Adding a layer of this oxide will reject most charges from going in the reverse direction increasing it's capability to pressurize and push loads of higher current. Also including an end cap with small seal that the positive electrode goes through might help in containing the pressure and increasing the current.

 Instead of quartz I'm gonna do the rochelle salts because i can get it easily by buying cream of tartar. I bought pure sodium carbonate at the art store and will add the tartar to the mix by this method: http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/rochelle.html . Since I have the sodium carbonate already I can go to the second step.

 I have also picked up pure carbon that is artist quality for the unit. I will be trying to replicate with the anodized aluminum and see if the suggestions I gave you strengthen the output.
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« Reply #80 on: November 11, 2011, 04:15:49 AM »
  John has mentioned that water is needed at first but that later it is needed less and less as time goes by.  I don't know, but if the oxidation is controlled by the carbonate ions that may actually be protecting the anodes over time instead of creating more break down of the metals, it may work as planned.  We need to give him a chance to prove the point.  If the cells are not working as he thinks, the result will be a dropping of the output over time. So, again time will tell, as it always has.  Carbonate is known for making for good electrolytes. As its ions protect or at least don't eat up the metals. In any case I'm not doing that, until we see some further results, but so far it is the best results that have been obtained, at least by him. 
   I would really like to see the Blue cell connected to an led, or a Jtc, it might just be able to light a red led by itself as some of my cells have done.   I am very interested in seeing some output test on that cell, as it has the highest current output of all, other than Lasersabers wet cells. If the meter readings are now correct that is.  Again I recommend the Lasersaber Jtc, as it is super easy to make, and has given great results by the people replicating it, although at least three or more cells may be needed to make it work properly.
  I will soon have some results to show and tell about my hot dog on a stick cell. I'm just giving it a chance to dry some more. I don't expect exceptional result, as I'm not following the Epsom/substitute salt mg/copper way of doing it. But I will make another copper, aluminum hot dog cell soon so that I'll have more results to compare, and also be able to at least light a red led.  This time I'll be using a semiconductor copper anode.
   

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« Reply #81 on: November 11, 2011, 04:53:23 PM »
 Does anyone know if McCormics cream of tartar is the real stuff?? potassium bitartrate?? I know it came up before I just don't know where...

 My newest cell is hooked up to all of the glue cells and running the head of a single led flashlight head. You know the super cap one. I have it hooked up at the led connections and when you turn it off it charges the cap pretty well. So far 2.6 volts seems to be the limit of the cells. Weird. 2.6 seems to be the voltage no matter what I hook up to the batteries. I think using a cap to exercise(charge) is the best growth medium. Hopefully there is enough structure in the newest cell to hold the current open. It could be the weak cells are holding this new battery back so to speak.

 Johns ideas are unique as well and I didn't know the water did the same as I have described in my setups. Nice. I'll be starting the Rochelle battery Sodium Carbonate battery soon in both yours and John B style. I am ramping up my researching into this process quickly. Once I get the right cream of tartar I'll be starting that. I think Rochelle salt might be a better crystalline material because we can vary the composition of the crystals making it tune-able.

*update* I had an interesting thing happen with the led light head. While soldering the tab some rosin got trapped between two tabs of the rectifier on one side. The led stayed on no matter what I did. I even disassembled the setup trying to figure out what was going on. I unsoldered the connection and it went away. the solder bridge was crystalline as rosin is a crystal. this caused a connection without really shorting the two out. I will try to get a picture of the unit and where it had the crystal bridge. I will also see if I can get it to do the same thing.
 I couldn't get it to do the same thing again the funny thing is the only power was the super cap that the head has mounted on it... I think it has something to do with being similar to an active Averamenko plug. When I checked the voltage on the super cap it was steady at whatever the voltage I charged the cap upto. The cap is marked 5.5volts but had a voltage of 2.6volts. Strange. I also bridged the tabs from each bank of the rectifiers together in parallel. ??? Thats where the coils come from the shake up part. That might have something to do with it also. Let me get a photo of it...

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 On 100_364 The lower rectifier in the picture had the rosin bridge and for some reason it stayed lit no matter what I did. When I decided to unsolder it, the rosin melted and the led went out. The funny thing is the cap was maintaining the 2.6 volts steady. I checked it while the led was lit and stayed at 2.6 for over half an hour till I unsoldered the connection I made.
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« Reply #82 on: November 12, 2011, 02:08:18 AM »
 Well I'm on the hunt for some magnesium plates and aluminum round stock for my units. I want a good thick outer walls for the aluminum. I am wondering if I should have them made cast style then finished by lathe. With the inside anodized to form a good layer of oxide. I figure I can have a cap made from flat stock then drill out the hole for the electrode with plastic insert. I am wondering if I should use graphite powder instead of the carbon (just a thought)?

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« Reply #83 on: November 12, 2011, 02:51:47 AM »
Well I'm on the hunt for some magnesium plates and aluminum round stock for my units. I want a good thick outer walls for the aluminum. I am wondering if I should have them made cast style then finished by lathe. With the inside anodized to form a good layer of oxide. I figure I can have a cap made from flat stock then drill out the hole for the electrode with plastic insert. I am wondering if I should use graphite powder instead of the carbon (just a thought)?
Everyone must choose their own path and no one knows yet what the correct path is.  I subscribe to the "KISS" method in building these cells.  This is why I think the glue and stove top crystal cells are so popular.  Simple build with easily obtainable materials.  I have lost count of the number of cells I have constructed.  Made three last night and have less than 2 bucks invested.  Much easier to throw away the cells when they do not perform.  I enjoy your posts as you bring many interesting ideas to the table.  Good luck with your builds.  :)
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« Reply #84 on: November 12, 2011, 02:20:37 PM »
 Well a lot has already been tried. The first thing I did was to make a batch of IB's Glue cells. They are the best runners so far. The chemicals are not that hard for me to get since I have a professional art store just around the corner. Very eclectic shop indeed. This is a super store and they are very interested in what I am doing too. They call me the "Battery" man there. Rofl

 I try to think in broader terms when relating my insight into the Aether. It doesn't directly affect matter but it can align it to it's flow. The path of least resistance is like a weather vane in the sense of the flow. It's a subtle touch but if you learn how to stick to it very tightly it can be very powerful. They say we are actually moving at over  "552 to 630 km per second" per wikipedia. We are essentially flying through this stuff and all matter has a flow of this stuff filtering through it. Now the Galaxy is by no means homogeneous. It can have flows over light years. And I'm afraid that matter is floating on the surface of this fluid. The fluid tends to ball up on a planar orientation. This is merely a surface between two distinct densities of charges. You could think that The universe is a bubble if you could see it's real form. As mass goes it is looking like matter is in a sphere but that might be an illusion based on our fractal view points. The Aether is super fast. It can be because it is what we float in. Waves propagate very fast in this pond. Think about that. Hydro dynamics applied to space and beyond. It can also work down further in as we are now able to see.
 It makes sense to me. The only thing that is different is density and scale then. At the smallest levels creatures live and breathe. They forage and propagate. They have their own gravity and that is natural statics. Although I would want to apply rules of statics to our scale of density. When comparing masses and the density of masses to each other we might be able to piece together the fractal patterns back to our scale and simulate that accurately. Our Technology might be able to get so far before there is a blank. Just too much density for one connection looking into that place to physically handle.. Besides it is looking good about this process. We just have to sit and think about it first. The processes that are going on here are extremely accurate or can be when you learn how to manipulate matter on that scale. Energy, while forming this electric battery will be essential to this process. We can use it to align the crystalline structure into super conductive bands. These bands will be piezoelectric and as the Aether rushes by it it will resonate giving energy. I was wondering if I could put some phosphor in the mix and see if it will glow too as a joke! Like it was radio active lol...

 I promised the art store people that I would bring in the battery for them to see heh.. Glowing and all should scare the crap out of them lol!!!!

 As a side not Rochelle salts grows as threads right? Long and thin? Hmmm...

 I was researching crystals and how they grow and it always starts with seeds. Oh wait thats what we are doing with the oxide. Sweet...

 I am betting that to do this right will include the breaking down of water to assemble the inside crystals. This way the pathway will be aligned by the electrical action and the crystals should follow that and get denser as they build into the center. For the crystal version. The carbon crystal one should be much easier to do. We just need a uniform density of crystals so that one area is not out of balance. I was thinking of a crystal grinder made from oxidized aluminum. There should be a flow of solution through a spinning drum like device. The distance should not be too far apart from the interior of the drum. Kinda like the stepper motors design. The outside spins and the inside is stationary. Both sides should be oxidized for the best growing base. The outside will spin breaking the crystals off and grinding them with the oxide breaking them up to a uniform size I am thinking. The solution could have crystals growing in it already and just process the crystals into a slurry that can be injected into the case in layers then dried out by kiln if needed to a certain level or we could include a dessicant in cavities for a special growth cap for the device. power should be applied to align the whole device then compressed to lock in the pattern and solidify. With enough pressure and heat you could get the rochelle salts to form little disks but must not be overdone or the carbon might turn to diamond. Which would ruin the effect I think... It might be that the disks would go piezoelectric while being squeezed and you just need to short it out in that process. The cap method should enable us to build in a compression value when firmly secured by bolts. The compression should be very quick and accurately controlled and secured right after compression. Once secured it should be stored for a bit and monitored for levels. After a few days it should be ready from the strengthening phase. Slowly the load is increased in a seesaw manner.

 My idea to use rochelle salts was only because of the methode to make it. It's composition can be enhanced by dopants that we still have not figured out completely. Besides quartz is made naturally and you are relying on that natural composition without the ability to change it's mixture you loose a majority of the tunability of these reeds(crystal disks)!

 The more you compress these disks the more sensitive to movement they become. Since the crystalline structure is so dense in it's construction it will increase the voltage back for little input. In active mode they will be powered amplifiers. Greatly increasing The push power the more that are in series. We might need to have many in parallel in order to get movement through the Aether and when I say movement I mean pulling ourselves through the Aether. Tesla talked about making fibers out of the Aether and pulling himself or a vehicle through Aether by the ropes. He learned that he could control the Aether and make it stiff or polarized. This carbon crystal battery is not what we think. If it can receive energy from the Aether then it can effect it too! It might be that we can control the Aether through a high voltage fields like in TV's. It's not the particle they are influencing it is the very medium of space. That constriction of the fields draws more in and raises the resolution of that space imparting more charge carrying capability. The one way valve allows us to apply it to a cavity creating an inductive bottle that sucks in the Aether and spits it out the end. We can control this process by fields encircling the escape port. we can even move the fields with servos back and forth relative to each other and effect all angles that way and make it steerable. We should also be able to form a bubble and travel at full network speed safe in the bubble. Just like in Star Trek. Changing the shape of the bubble will allow us to move in that case.

 The simple glue cells tell me that we have figured out a way to maintain an imbalance across two spaces. This is an artificial surface we are creating. We can run the load for as much power as that natural element voltage can push across that surface. Now what we need to do the improve the process is figure out how to increase it's capability to go beyond what it naturally supplies. This will mean designing and creating the space with matter to collect and divert more of that potential out the end of an orifice. The more the Aether we can get into that space the better it's capability to pull and compress the Aether.

 The response of the Aether is what induction is. When we pulse a coil we get a response of the Aether releasing it's threads or network lines back into the environment. This generates a return pulse that has been misconstrued as negative. It isn't negative at all it is just less positive then the environmental balance point. We chose the balance point as the zero line and that actually is absolute zero in reality. The lowest possible temp before matter dissipates. Negative would be in reality lower then absolute zero. A true negative would force all matter to fall apart. It actually would repel all particles in atoms and is what I suspect is making us speed up as in Universal speed. You could say that it is anti matter but in reality it is only what holds all particles apart. Even the network of energy flows in the Universe.
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« Reply #85 on: November 12, 2011, 06:43:36 PM »
 As a side note this Theory of Fluid Electricity was first explored by Benjamin Franklin. You can get a glimpse of it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Guide_to_the_Scientific_Knowledge_of_Things_Familiar#Electrical_fluid

 It's not the book per say but I think I can get a copy of it on the net.

 And here it is: http://www.archive.org/details/aguidetoscienti01brewgoog

 You might need to make a login and it's free. Lots of great older books there!
 
one part of the book struck me exceptionally hard:

 Q: Why is a tin pan  (filled with hot water) employed as a foot warmer?

A: Because polished Tin (being a bad radiator of heat) keeps hot a very long time; and warms the feet slowly while resting upon it!

 I think we have the answer to the problem right here. Through polishing of the tin it smears the channels in the Tin along the surface like a smudge. This makes it harder for the energy to radiate back out of the tin bottle. This smear is like when we bend close the end of a hose. Pressure builds and the shape of the bend dictates the spray shape.

 The way I have been saying is to create this barrier that only allows energy to be attracted to the inductive bottle inside. Once the potential increases inside so does the power of the pressurization of the energy. This can be controlled but higher electric fields then the potential the inductive bottle inside. The mass of metal is the conductor but we change it from bidirectional exchange to one way making the bottle equalize to the internal pressure. We can make this process stronger by configuring the constriction fields to charge up then let it go when it reaches a higher potential then the bottles interior. This will allow spurts to come out the end that are squeezed or focused into a tighter and faster potential. The process could be automatic by mimicking a tank circuit. When it hits a certain level it burst fires the charges which increase the potential. Initially this should create a thrust and with an addition of a target generator rings we should be able to pickup and generate from the passing charges if the rings are engaged just right. So here we have it. The perfect motor generator all in one unit.

 Tesla did this with air and charged pellets. The resulting target hit if chosen to would be destructive and very powerful. But the induced movement of the medium would still move the unit and what it is attached to.
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« Reply #86 on: November 13, 2011, 04:35:09 PM »
As a side note this Theory of Fluid Electricity was first explored by Benjamin Franklin. You can get a glimpse of it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Guide_to_the_Scientific_Knowledge_of_Things_Familiar#Electrical_fluid

 It's not the book per say but I think I can get a copy of it on the net.

 And here it is: http://www.archive.org/details/aguidetoscienti01brewgoog

 You might need to make a login and it's free. Lots of great older books there!
 
one part of the book struck me exceptionally hard:

 Q: Why is a tin pan  (filled with hot water) employed as a foot warmer?

A: Because polished Tin (being a bad radiator of heat) keeps hot a very long time; and warms the feet slowly while resting upon it!

 I think we have the answer to the problem right here. Through polishing of the tin it smears the channels in the Tin along the surface like a smudge. This makes it harder for the energy to radiate back out of the tin bottle. This smear is like when we bend close the end of a hose. Pressure builds and the shape of the bend dictates the spray shape.

 The way I have been saying is to create this barrier that only allows energy to be attracted to the inductive bottle inside. Once the potential increases inside so does the power of the pressurization of the energy. This can be controlled but higher electric fields then the potential the inductive bottle inside. The mass of metal is the conductor but we change it from bidirectional exchange to one way making the bottle equalize to the internal pressure. We can make this process stronger by configuring the constriction fields to charge up then let it go when it reaches a higher potential then the bottles interior. This will allow spurts to come out the end that are squeezed or focused into a tighter and faster potential. The process could be automatic by mimicking a tank circuit. When it hits a certain level it burst fires the charges which increase the potential. Initially this should create a thrust and with an addition of a target generator rings we should be able to pickup and generate from the passing charges if the rings are engaged just right. So here we have it. The perfect motor generator all in one unit.

 Tesla did this with air and charged pellets. The resulting target hit if chosen to would be destructive and very powerful. But the induced movement of the medium would still move the unit and what it is attached to.

 Tin isn't the answer here the process is. Tin was an example that was posed by Benjamin Franklin when explaining the process. Our path is to realize this process and devise a way to utilize the process into a method to get what we want. I think using gold or silver plating on the center electrode would focus the charges flowing twords it better. Think of it like this. The center electrode is made out of matter that has one pattern and density. When we cover the electrode with gold, which has a finer density it amplifies the charge presented to the electrode by splitting up the charges into a finer density to present to the inner electrode. You could say we are focusing the energy into higher potentials to present to the electrode. This in turn raises the potential of the electrode beyond what it would normally be naked in the device and would give it more umph to sustain that potential.

 Now we know what it takes to make diamonds. If we compressed the carbon to a setting just before that process works this might work as well. Lets say http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_diamond. In fact we probably could do synthetic diamonds and that would bring back the tunability of the device on that side to. If it is conductive then plating the end will still work.
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #87 on: November 15, 2011, 02:31:02 AM »
Well it seems that the Crystal cell research has gotten a little quiet, I hope everyone is doing well.

I'm still working on my cells. I'm in the process of making bigger, cheaper, and more powerful cells. The key word now is cheaper. I've found that Elmer's glue can be expensive so I'm working on replacing it with something better.

Using Flour and water and mixing the Epsom salt and salt substitute and allowing it to dry seems to be working so far but is very brittle. So I'll see if flour and water will be the replacement for Elmer's glue. It maybe key to spray paint this cell as to protect the brittle flour when its dry.

I'm also working on a bank of big cells that will charge a super capacitor.

I would upload a picture but Overunity.com wont allow it for some odd reason. Check energetic forum for picture.

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« Reply #88 on: November 15, 2011, 05:17:19 AM »
   All:
   I have been busy with other things but I would like to relate what I've found when I connect up the cell I call the "Hot Dog on a Stick". 
After over a week it is still dripping water, salt water. I have washed it off and dried the cell, but it just goes back to dripping more water.
Anyway, I think that the glue/salt process works, even with using the regular salt, brass rod, and aluminum wire.  As I have not added
any additional water to it since the day it was made.  Which is what I was trying to avoid, the addition of more water to keep it working.
I still have not had a chance to buy a new meter, so I don't know what it puts out, but I can still tell, more of less, that it's about a volt,
and 10 to 20 mA. Which is not that bad considering its make up.
Several coils can be placed in series on a single rod, and the voltages will add up.  Ib give that a try, you'll see how using the same anode
to place several separate cathodes will produce several volts. You can connect them in series, and/or parallel as well. It will work both ways.
   One advantage of this system over some others is that the impedance of the cell is steadier unlike the cement cells and other cells that
I've made and used, which can drop in voltage over time, these cell can maintain their voltage and current levels under load much better.
So, are more useful in that sense.
   I think that using glue to seal the outside of the cell is not going to work permanently in my situation. As the cell seams to sweat too much.
 So, I think that sealing it with resin, or E-poxy, or something more impermeable will be necessary. But it does work, and can be made with
no cost in materials, as I've done, zilch expense, other than the glue.  I'll add some more coils to the 15 inch brass rod soon, like another
three more, and I'll show you all the results. It should produce about 3 to 4 volts, if all goes well.
 
   

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #89 on: November 15, 2011, 03:04:10 PM »

 Excellent Nick. I too had that idea and have found that it does in fact work the way you state. It seems to be surface area related as to the power it can push.


 I have started experiments on just sodium carbonate, aluminum and graphite. At first there was a reaction, bubbling but after 3 days I am now seeing crystals forming on the top layer of the water. This could be interesting!
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