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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #60 on: November 09, 2011, 05:44:36 PM »
    Guys:
   As far as charging capacitors from these cells, I have tried that by placing the capacitor in parallel with the cells. I did not really notice anything worth mentioning. As the regular electrolytic capacitors don't maintain a charge for long once connected to a circuit or an led.
   I've also tried connecting the cells to rechargeable AA batteries as well as lithium button cells. The cells will charge a battery that previously would not light a joule thief any more, or register any voltage, on my analog meter. The AA battery will charge to the same voltage and current level that the cells output. But, the best way to do this, is to to have several cells in series, so that you are charging with two or three times the voltage of the battery that you want to charge. The problem is that there is hardly any current output from these cells, until now, so, Ib, try it now with your Blue cell and see what happens, as it does show some 400 mA or so. and it might work fine to charge a battery, or capacitor. Two or three of those cells connected in series would be better though, as that way you can light an led.  I do not remove the capacitor from the connected cells to test the output, but leave it on instead, but you can try it both ways.
 
   Below is a picture of my new Brass/Aluminum table salt glue cell. Looks like a hot dog on a stick. It is fairly dry now, and has stopped sweating water out. I'll place another coat of glue over it in a few more days. 
  I'll try to make a video soon, if my camara battery holds out, as it has bulged and is not working as it should.
  I want to show you guys how a ONE WIRE connection from my cement cells to an led/transistor combination will light an led. This is to show that these cells do work by taking in charge from the air, and can be more than just galvanic.   I think this is similar the Dr. Stifflers no input circuit, that will light some light leds using no additional input. Power out of thin air!
I am still working on making the leds light up even stronger.

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« Reply #61 on: November 09, 2011, 05:47:03 PM »
*Note* joule thief wrecked the batteries. something went wrong. had to add the wet cell i had to rebuild the voltage. total voltage now is 3.7 volts resting. when running the led it settles at 2.6-2.62 volts. I have no idea what went wrong but the joule thief didn't work to well the way i set it up. I had it shorting out the battery and the led was across the collector and emitter. when I ran it before i had it hooked up the right way that joule thiefs run at and it ran ok but I tried the non standard way and it ate some of the cells voltage. I'm back to running plain Jane and it is holding up.

I have worked with Ib’s “Glue” and “Stove Top Crystal Cells” for a while now and am a believer in this setup.  Ib is correct in stating that these cells should dump their power into a cap.  I have replicated Lidmotor’s “Penny Joule Thief” and the “Pancake Coil Steel Wire Joule Thief”.  Both of these circuits dump the power into the cap prior to running the circuit.  See this video of the Pancake circuit and a fully encased glue cell.  Encasing the cell is an idea presented by NickZ and has worked extremely well for me.  This video was posted on Aug 3 and the cell is still fully functional.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWgmaHcPblw
This next video shows Ib’s stove top crystal cell encased in plastic working on the Penny Circuit and this was posted on Sept 20.  This cell has been powering the circuit non-stop since.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhmQBpUld7U
This last video was posted more for fun than anything else, but does show the remarkably small amount of power required to run this circuit.  Notice when I connect the circuit, the cap must fill before the circuit will start.  If the cap runs to low on power, the circuit will stop and wait for enough power to start again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2-OHF1iCsI
If you can match the cell to the circuit, these cells seemingly will run for a very long time.  Since replicating these cells and powering those circuits, I have yet to have one fail.  Go to lidmotor’s youtube channel and he gives you the schematic for both circuits.
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« Reply #62 on: November 09, 2011, 06:47:58 PM »
 Let me ask a very good question??? Why don't we piggy back this onto a rechargeable cell. That way when it is not in use it can maintain the battery charge level when not in use!!! Yeah it won't charge like a regular setup but it will charge the battery like in the Bedini style. We could deign this in thin film style and just wrap it around a rechargeable battery with clips designed to attach to each end without interfering with normal battery usage.

 Oh another thought. Has anyone tried to make it like the electrolytic ones? I saw Bedini doing a copper/copper oxide/paper insulator/galena/magnesium dual gate diode. Why not do it on thin sheets of the metals treated to have very nice layers of copper oxide and galena then roll it up with toilet paper in between. The only problem is what to use as the solvent doping. Water and something else (alum? or Borax?).

 Hey Nick in your carbon aluminum and quartz battery have you ever mixed a batch of quarts and carbon? You should mill it in an oxidized aluminum bowl. you might want to add some oxidized aluminum powder as well. It will grind that carbon soo fine in powder size. The alumina oxides are what they use for polishing and cutting tools. Mixing the quartz in there evenly would be the best thing to try. Compress it and it should fly, try it but I'm not sure about compression.

"Aluminium oxide is widely used in the fabrication of superconducting devices, particularly single electron transistors and superconducting quantum interference devices (SQUID), where it is used to form highly resistive quantum tunneling barriers."

 Whats your process in layering the carbon and quarts? Could you make a side view cutaway of the cap case you use and the layers and how they are done?
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« Reply #63 on: November 09, 2011, 07:30:25 PM »
I have worked with Ib’s “Glue” and “Stove Top Crystal Cells” for a while now and am a believer in this setup.  Ib is correct in stating that these cells should dump their power into a cap.  I have replicated Lidmotor’s “Penny Joule Thief” and the “Pancake Coil Steel Wire Joule Thief”.  Both of these circuits dump the power into the cap prior to running the circuit.  See this video of the Pancake circuit and a fully encased glue cell.  Encasing the cell is an idea presented by NickZ and has worked extremely well for me.  This video was posted on Aug 3 and the cell is still fully functional.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWgmaHcPblw
This next video shows Ib’s stove top crystal cell encased in plastic working on the Penny Circuit and this was posted on Sept 20.  This cell has been powering the circuit non-stop since.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhmQBpUld7U
This last video was posted more for fun than anything else, but does show the remarkably small amount of power required to run this circuit.  Notice when I connect the circuit, the cap must fill before the circuit will start.  If the cap runs to low on power, the circuit will stop and wait for enough power to start again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2-OHF1iCsI
If you can match the cell to the circuit, these cells seemingly will run for a very long time.  Since replicating these cells and powering those circuits, I have yet to have one fail.  Go to lidmotor’s youtube channel and he gives you the schematic for both circuits.
Brad S



Thank you Brads, glad to see the cells still work for you and thank you for taking the time to make them.

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« Reply #64 on: November 09, 2011, 08:02:11 PM »
  @ All:
   I have tried the method mentioned by Brad of placing the capacitor in parallel with the cell and the Jtc.  I did not really notice any difference, but my circuits don't blink, they are on steady. I don't see any point in a blinking light, and wonder why that type circuits causes the led to blink, I suppose that is it due to their very low current output, of only a few mA. My Hartley circuits will run like that forever, when using a dead AA battery.
  The circuit being shown by John and Chuck lighting 8 leds gives some hope that it is possible to achieve some usable light, even when using only one cell.   If Ib's Blue cell is connected in the same way it should work even better, as it has twice the current output.
 John's circuit is going from 250 mA to only 7 mA under load, less than 1/10 starting voltage, then goes up to 22 mA. and maintains. Still less than 1/10 of the starting output level. So, he is not following his own advice of only drawing 1/2 of the starting current.  Although I'm glad to see it, the question is will the cell maintain at those levels, or not?  Time will tell, as the draw from 8 leds,  is not the same as the draw from only one led.  They are not full brightness in any case, and if the pot was on least resistance we'd probably see the lights go out after a minute or so.  But, don't get me wrong, that is the best we've seen yet, but I feel that we still have a long ways to go...

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« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2011, 08:16:42 PM »
It is honestly hard for me to get behind John Bedini's carbonate cell. As lidmotor has shown the carbonate cell needs water to run and its the water that gives the cell its power. I feel we need to stay away from water, the best proof to stay away from water is to take magnesium ribbon and stick it in a cup of distilled water and watch it get eaten by the water within weeks. John won't see the corrosion as quick because he's using only drops of water and combine that with big magnesium cup and copper pipe and you have a cell that will run on water for a long time without showing corrosion. This is also why i build small cells, the small cells get to the point quicker and show if the bigger cell will corrode or not. But there is that if that i must not ignore since john has not given the full details of the cell out yet and he could have figured it out to where the metals don't corrode.

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« Reply #66 on: November 09, 2011, 08:33:08 PM »
  For anyone interested in making the quartz/carbon cells, the process is not rocket science, and that is why I like it compared to all the doping and chemicals involved with some of the other cells. Besides the cost... zilch.
   Just pulverize the quartz, and carbon, fill the capacitor can in layers, about 6 layers, and compress it together as much as possible. The carpenter pencil leads work better than the thin regular pencils leads, as those can and do break, although they do work very well.  I have used the conductive grease on the inside of the capacitor can, as well as on any external connection. Be sure to test the conductivity of the carbon, or it's all a waist of time.
  Try it, you'll like it...  they can be made in just a few minutes, and will work immediately.  If you do, try to make 4 of them, and see how well they can they can light an led, no oscillator needed.  And Ib, they use no water, ever.

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« Reply #67 on: November 09, 2011, 08:53:01 PM »
I have used the conductive grease on the inside of the capacitor can, as well as on any external connection.



What is this conductive grease? Is it the electrolyte in the capacitor or are you adding something like WD-40?

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« Reply #68 on: November 09, 2011, 09:20:38 PM »
It is honestly hard for me to get behind John Bedini's carbonate cell. As lidmotor has shown the carbonate cell needs water to run and its the water that gives the cell its power. I feel we need to stay away from water, the best proof to stay away from water is to take magnesium ribbon and stick it in a cup of distilled water and watch it get eaten by the water within weeks. John won't see the corrosion as quick because he's using only drops of water and combine that with big magnesium cup and copper pipe and you have a cell that will run on water for a long time without showing corrosion. This is also why i build small cells, the small cells get to the point quicker and show if the bigger cell will corrode or not. But there is that if that i must not ignore since john has not given the full details of the cell out yet and he could have figured it out to where the metals don't corrode.

Ib;

I agree, John has not given full details of his cells, and the clues that he has dropped I find some inconsistancies.  I do hope though that he has worked out a way around the issues.  I suggest those interested should study up on the general term "chemical reactions" and you will find that to initiate this reaction you typically change the structure of the original materials.  Sometimes these processes can be reversed, but usually take an external force such as heat, pressure, or electricity to initiate and complete the process.  Think lead acid battery!

There is a way to isolate the galvanic action between the metals using organic materials without sacrificing the metals.  This comes with the loss of the materials between the metals.  Sort of like NickZ has referenced before.  Create chaos between the metals, and let the metals serve as antennas to collect the electrons.  This is a method I am currently involved in and very happy with my results to this point, able to extract impressive energy with ridiculus cheap materials. 

NickZ:

I would like to try and build your cell.  Can I use beach sand or would I need larger quartz crystals to crush.

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« Reply #69 on: November 09, 2011, 10:12:12 PM »
  Brad:
   That is a good question,  I had thought the same thing. As sand is mostly quartz, and iron, but with some other impurities as well. Beach sand will need to be washed of the salt, or we may be back to dissolving the metals. Pool filter sand is also mostly quartz, and can be used too.  It is worth a try as it has worked very well in my cement cells, that are still working almost a year later.
  Some people charge the quartz powder or sand, with high voltage when  the cell is newly made. I have used pure quartz beach rocks ground up to a powder and have gotten fair result. But the quartz clear points have worked best so far. Tumbled quartz rocks or aquamarine crystals can be used and are cheap. 
  I would recommend not making tiny cells as this dry process works better with larger sized capacitor cans, or thicker aluminum pipe, that are similar to or even a bit taller than to Johns Mg carbonate cell cans.
I would also seal the whole cell as you've done before, or by just dipping them into resin. Not only the tops and bottoms but the whole cell, so they will last a long time.  Make several cells at once all the exact same way, so that they will work together to light your leds, or Jtc.

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« Reply #70 on: November 10, 2011, 12:02:25 AM »
   @ All:
   Conductive grease is something that I picked up from a friend that works with the Electric Power Co. here. They use is to protect the exposed copper and aluminum metal connectors as well as to help the contact points to conduct better.
There is also Marine Dielectic Grease, but just make sure that it conducts instead of being a non-conductor. I do recommend using this type of  grease, as it helped my old capacitor cell that was made in March to regain its original 50 mA output.

 Brad: BTW the carbon crystal cells may not last a lifetime, but you won't need to hold them as long. Very informative and useful video you made.      We need to get past the idea and use of galvanics in order to get to where we say that we want to go.  Your video helps to prove the point.
 
  I think that the combination of using our cells in conjunction with circuits like this one from the "Doc", may be the way to go. He is one amazing guy, although a little hard to get to know, and very strict with some people, to deal with.
   Check this out, the Doc's Infinity Light, one weeks running with only a fraction of a volt consumed. I hope that I got the it right, or he'll correct me... again...
http://www.youtube.com/user/StifflerDr#p/u/32/UGbUORfqRsc

  Lasersaber's newest project, another great example:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glRuwV9IlaY&NR=1
 
   Ib:  I would highly recommend using Lasersabers circuit as he is lighting 200 watts of leds, using only 13v and 200 mA. Just use a regular toroid instead, or the ones from crt Tv yokes.  I have made it using only 4 volts and it works great. I'll upload a pic or two soon...
   

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« Reply #71 on: November 10, 2011, 12:49:38 PM »
My big Blue Crystal Glue cell has gone up in voltage here lately and it just so happens that the moon is 100% full right now.


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« Reply #72 on: November 10, 2011, 02:01:39 PM »
   @ All:
   Conductive grease is something that I picked up from a friend that works with the Electric Power Co. here. They use is to protect the exposed copper and aluminum metal connectors as well as to help the contact points to conduct better.
There is also Marine Dielectic Grease, but just make sure that it conducts instead of being a non-conductor. I do recommend using this type of  grease, as it helped my old capacitor cell that was made in March to regain its original 50 mA output.

 Brad: BTW the carbon crystal cells may not last a lifetime, but you won't need to hold them as long. Very informative and useful video you made.      We need to get past the idea and use of galvanics in order to get to where we say that we want to go.  Your video helps to prove the point.
 
  I think that the combination of using our cells in conjunction with circuits like this one from the "Doc", may be the way to go. He is one amazing guy, although a little hard to get to know, and very strict with some people, to deal with.
   Check this out, the Doc's Infinity Light, one weeks running with only a fraction of a volt consumed. I hope that I got the it right, or he'll correct me... again...
http://www.youtube.com/user/StifflerDr#p/u/32/UGbUORfqRsc

  Lasersaber's newest project, another great example:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glRuwV9IlaY&NR=1
 
   Ib:  I would highly recommend using Lasersabers circuit as he is lighting 200 watts of leds, using only 13v and 200 mA. Just use a regular toroid instead, or the ones from crt Tv yokes.  I have made it using only 4 volts and it works great. I'll upload a pic or two soon...
 

 Nick have you tried any aluminum cup or just the cap cases. If it is the case then they used borax as the electrolyte and it created a nice thick oxide layer on the inside of the can. This layer is what the captret was all about. Even with the method we are using it works the exact same way. It only allows a charge to go in the caps shape one way. Then you are separating the charge into it's base components. The static portion is clinging to the crystalline layers. The current flows into the carbon and past the electrode out of the tube. Think of the can as a filter(matter pattern) that attracts flow with geometry. When working with atomic geometry these devices have a high ordering inside of them. Also think about what a wave guide is also.

 I have been thinking about making the open end constricted to see if it improves the voltage as well. Like in my fire hose analogy. Have you made them with differing layer of thicknesses? Like 6 in one and 12 in another?

 I also agree that other technologies will fit very well especially lasersabers and Doc's ideas. We need to change our methods of using energy to the most efficient.

 You know this reminds me of a layden jar with one way valves.

 @IB hey could you do a how to video of the blue cells please. A step by step video of you making the cell would be awesome. I don't think I'm building them right. Also if you anodize the aluminum it will induce voltage better. Just soak it in borax and water.
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« Reply #73 on: November 10, 2011, 04:38:03 PM »
  We have all seen that the Magnesium works much better than Aluminum, but I can't get that here, up to now. Brads last video is most convincing.
So, since I had several capacitor cans from the Captret project, I used them for this project instead. As I had no luck with the Captrets after months of playing with that idea. As the batteries all still discharged sooner or later. There is no oxide layer there, either, at least not in my devices.
I have also tried aluminum tube, as well as galvanized iron pipe.  I have not tried anodized aluminum, which I can obtain from window framing shops. but, don't assume it works until you try it, as galvanized pipe is also a layer, but it does not work as well as aluminum or mg, although it does work to a lesser degree.
The thicker the metal anodes the better they are able to STORE the charge.  Mass is important in my set up. You can make small cells and will  get some voltage,  but like Ib has found with his two wire cells, no current.
I don't think that these cell are charging and discharging with use. So, that Idea is not very valid in this case, as they are a perpertual output source, that tends to lose some output abilities in time, due to the oxidation factor, and hydrogen ion build up on the anodes, as I've explained many times now.

  With my set up you don't need the semiconductor system, at all. As there is no need to protect the metals from oxidation as a result of galvanics. Or play the pinball game that JB is mentioning. As Brad is also trying to show, in his own unique way. I don't buy it yet, as I can get power without the doping or chemicals, or semicoductor, as Ib has also shown. etz...  If they were getting AMPS and not mA I would tend to believe it, to a different degree.  You can get amps by using salts, and sealing the cells from the air, hermetically, and not using additional water. Lasersaber's cells outputs 2 amps from each cell. No semiconductor at work there, or needed to produce that much power, which no one has been able to replicate to that degree of output, yet.
  Marcus Reid cells were producing only a couple of mA.  So... does not convince me.  They are not telling all, either.  They are showing what they don't care about anymore, as they John, Reid, and Hutchinson, are working on better and stronger cells, and giving us the leftovers.  Which I'm also thankful for but...  That is only my Opinion, and could be totally wrong, although I doubt it.  As they are into the money, not like the Doc, who was offered $10,000 and turned it down, saying that he already has more money than he can spend. And it totally into the research and development aspect, and not the production, sales, and monetary gains.
  Please don't get me wrong, I am very thankful for any and all information concerning these cell, and understand that we all have to make a living at times. At least some of us. Although money is not where I'm coming from, even though I have nothing against it, but if we are really trying to better our understanding of useful devices, the monetary gains can and do hold us back, at times.

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« Reply #74 on: November 10, 2011, 05:50:04 PM »
  We have all seen that the Magnesium works much better than Aluminum, but I can't get that here, up to now. Brads last video is most convincing.
So, since I had several capacitor cans from the Captret project, I used them for this project instead. As I had no luck with the Captrets after months of playing with that idea. As the batteries all still discharged sooner or later. There is no oxide layer there, either, at least not in my devices.
I have also tried aluminum tube, as well as galvanized iron pipe.  I have not tried anodized aluminum, which I can obtain from window framing shops. but, don't assume it works until you try it, as galvanized pipe is also a layer, but it does not work as well as aluminum or mg, although it does work to a lesser degree.
The thicker the metal anodes the better they are able to STORE the charge.  Mass is important in my set up. You can make small cells and will  get some voltage,  but like Ib has found with his two wire cells, no current.
I don't think that these cell are charging and discharging with use. So, that Idea is not very valid in this case, as they are a perpertual output source, that tends to lose some output abilities in time, due to the oxidation factor, and hydrogen ion build up on the anodes, as I've explained many times now.

 My suggestion in making the carbon crystal batteries is that you should completely encase the crystal layers in carbon like little crystal disks and the flow of charges should flow past the crystal disks vibrating them causing a piezoelectric event. Think of a reed vibrating from air rushing by it. Get the flow right and you have resonance.

  With my set up you don't need the semiconductor system, at all. As there is no need to protect the metals from oxidation as a result of galvanics. Or play the pinball game that JB is mentioning. As Brad is also trying to show, in his own unique way. I don't buy it yet, as I can get power without the doping or chemicals, or semicoductor, as Ib has also shown. etz...  If they were getting AMPS and not mA I would tend to believe it, to a different degree.  You can get amps by using salts, and sealing the cells from the air, hermetically, and not using additional water. Lasersaber's cells outputs 2 amps from each cell. No semiconductor at work there, or needed to produce that much power, which no one has been able to replicate to that degree of output, yet.
  Marcus Reid cells were producing only a couple of mA.  So... does not convince me.  They are not telling all, either.  They are showing what they don't care about anymore, as they John, Reid, and Hutchinson, are working on better and stronger cells, and giving us the leftovers.  Which I'm also thankful for but...  That is only my Opinion, and could be totally wrong, although I doubt it.  As they are into the money, not like the Doc, who was offered $10,000 and turned it down, saying that he already has more money than he can spend. And it totally into the research and development aspect, and not the production, sales, and monetary gains.
  Please don't get me wrong, I am very thankful for any and all information concerning these cell, and understand that we all have to make a living at times. At least some of us. Although money is not where I'm coming from, even though I have nothing against it, but if we are really trying to better our understanding of useful devices, the monetary gains can and do hold us back, at times.

 I have a new cell that i made in a glass bottle. THICK Aluminum wire wrapped in a coil in the glass jar then treated with borax to form the oxide layer. then epsom salt and a touch of potassium (salt substitute) with a graphite electrode. I'll throw a pict of it soo. All that was boiled till the crystals disappeared and it is now cooling. Let me take a picture of it!

Oxides are the semiconductor. Even if you think you are not using it you are if aluminum is in the mix. Since you use the cap cans they have already been oxidated and the semiconductor layer is already there. even aluminum in the air has oxidated enough to produce a 4 nanometer layer on the aluminum.

 Here are the pictures. Sorry bout the size of these they are big!

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 I too agree that magnesium is the best bang for the buck and will be using it instead of aluminum and use a copper outer electrode that has been oxidized or the other way around. With the aluminum can it's acting like a one way valve bringing in charges from the environment and conducting through the carbon. in that flow it is also vibrating the crystal layers adding to the charge on the center electrode giving it some added umph.

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