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Offline NickZ

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2011, 09:37:23 PM »
  B_rads:
  Thank you for explaining about the casting resin.  I have been trying to use dry electrolytes for a while now, as the water cells aren't of interest to me any more.  I have read some things about the E-poxy and was hoping that it would work as an electrolyte too. And would still like to consider it again, but it also is non-conductive, like the resin, although the table salt leaches thoughout it as it does with the glue. So, as time goes by, it works better and better.

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Offline jbignes5

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #46 on: November 07, 2011, 11:04:01 PM »
 I did some experiments with water and graphite and a solid aluminum handle of an exacto knife. When I filled the little tupperware bowl with water the voltage peeked at 1.09 volts. when I started to add the borax an interesting thing happened. The borax bloomed into little puffy globs about 1mm in size. These blobs started to press together in a layered fashion that you could see the little interfaces in between. This is how this is working I am thinking. Alum reacted to the Borax gel and even more blobs appeared. Stirring the mix made the blobs smaller and more even in size. The salt substitute I believe is the mode of transfer and that sits in between these blobs and forms a network from what I have been seeing.

 When these blobs dry out thats where the magic is. As the crystals form in the spaces between the blobs the blobs gel even further and solidify around the network bringing it tighter into planes of conduction. This is facilitated by the water in setting up the substances. All this was done cold. but the fact remains that even without anything the water is the initial transporter of conduction. No matter where in the water I put the electrodes it was constant 1.09 volts before the adding of anything. So selecting the right materials before making the device is absolutely imperative to the potential of the device from the start.

 Somewhere in this process the mode of conduction swaps from bulk water to crystalline conduction. Think of it like this: Bulk water reduces and crystalline water takes over after the crystals form. Apparently this is the reason for polarity swaps some have reported. Bumping the cell after it has dried sufficiently causes it to align to it's bumped direction of flow.

 Now this is not what happens in the case of Nick's cell. Since nick's cell is dry from the beginning there is another process happening. That process is more piezoelectric with the interlacing layers forming very sensitive receiver of the medium we float in. Everything vibrates because of that medium and this cell takes advantage of that vibration.

 These two processes are not unlike, They are two examples of how to take the minute vibrations of the medium and convert them into energy. The first cell is the same process but the cell uses Flubber to catch the vibrations and apply them to the crystals. You might think the glue cells are hard but I did a test using elmers and borax makes it into a rubbery mass. The heat is used to fuse the crystalline material and when the heat leeches out of the flubber and crystal mixture it solidifies both flubber and crystal. While this event is happening proper use can grow the unit stronger as it leeches the rest of the heat out of the unit.

 Let me know what you think?

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2011, 01:31:40 AM »
  It may be that the process that the quartz/carbon cell works by is something like piezoelectric effect, as when I press the electrolyte down hard the voltage goes up and the led gets brighter. This could also be from better conduction, when further compacted, or from the quartz.  But the main thing is to the find the right combination that will give the best output. I still find the main problem is the impedance after a while. As this may still be caused by the accumulation of hydrogen ions onto the anodes restricting their flow. Different electrolyte materials may help along with the possible addition of Carbonate to the mix.
 
  For those that would like to try my type of dry cells, I recommend first looking for the best carbon to use, one with the least resistance levels, as I have not have a chance to try different sources, so I can't recommend much as far as that goes.  Aquarium charcoal or briquettes have worked for others. Although it may need something more to make it conduct better as they are very dry.  I find that compacting the carbon firmly into a big  capacitor can helps to overcome that. The bigger the can the better.
  Applying the conductive grease  on the inside of the aluminum cans as well as the copper anodes will not only help to conduct, but will prevent oxidation as well. As just air by itself can oxidize metals, like copper, magnesium, or aluminum, and is why I use carbon, where possible,instead. Remember to seal the cells with clear 5 minute E-poxy as exposure to air may still affect any metals.

  B-rads:  Using carbon or graphite powder to make a paste along with the conductive grease may make a usable electrolyte, it's worth a try also. 

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #48 on: November 08, 2011, 02:01:15 AM »
 Here is a video of my small crystal cells. Please note that I said before that I was getting 1v each but I was using the wrong setting. They are actaully .5v

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-3XcK8oNKE


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« Reply #49 on: November 08, 2011, 03:42:26 AM »
Here is a video of my small crystal cells. Please note that I said before that I was getting 1v each but I was using the wrong setting. They are actaully .5v

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-3XcK8oNKE

 .5 comes from using copper. Try using graphite. I got 1 volt from graphite and aluminum.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #50 on: November 08, 2011, 04:47:20 AM »
.5 comes from using copper. Try using graphite. I got 1 volt from graphite and aluminum.
Check around the thrift stores.  Occasionally you can find silver ware (sterling silver) quite cheaply.  Sterling silver is usually 92% silver or better.  Other than gold or pure silver, this is about the best cathode you can find.  Do not use sodium chloride (table salt) with  this and you will be very happy with the results. :)
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #51 on: November 08, 2011, 01:23:56 PM »
When I get my paycheck and bills payed off I'm going to be making a even bigger crystal cell. I've figured out a much more simpler way to make the big cells and will also be making a video of the simple way to build these big cells. The short term goal of mine is to make this big cell so that it will be able to charge a super capacitor then I will run my load off of the super capacitor.

I strongly feel that we should not run our load directly off the crystal cells but instead have the cells charge capacitors. I know this seems a bit in the way but you get strange effects when doing this. Even if you have a weak cell you can charge a capacitor and have the capacitor run a more powerful load. The capacitor allows you to convert time into energy. By this I mean a cell takes one minute to charge a capacitor but the cap can run a load for 30 seconds, you convert time to due useful work but in a shorter time. Also capacitor doesn't require us to balance our loads with the cells, the capacitor is a self balancing storage device and when you remove the cell when the cap is full you can power and load you want.

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« Reply #52 on: November 08, 2011, 02:17:37 PM »
 Damit IB I would have never thought of that process. That is the absolute best way to do this I am guessing.

 Also on the subject of silver another great idea. Silver plated carbon or copper even! Think of it like a superfine filter. The silver has it's own particle size and it's own water of crystallization that will form around it! The density change from carbon particle size to silver has it's own unique pattern. This was done on the Power tube that Gray had used.

Gold plating might give the best reaction but finding the crystal structure might be a wee bit hard. On the other hand this matterial we are using Borax might facilitate more charge because the matter of gold is super fine. This would give more resolution per crystal lattice giving an increase in the amplifying effect. This might be the process that the Egyptians used in their Bagdad batteries. I don't think they were using traditional acids to run them. What if they were using sand + salts or crystalline matter and gold plated carbon in the batteries.

 I am waiting impatiently to start testing the Bismuth metal in this process. This might open this battery up power wise because it should become a transducer of waste magnetic fields as well. We broadcast tons of magnetic fields into the air all around us.

 I still want to know if anyone has exposed one of these batteries to a high voltage electric field like the exciter fields. This way we would be amplifying the made field. John B has shown that the penny type crystal batteries respond slightly to siesmic events and hugely to electrical events like an electrical storm! Someone please fire up an exciter and see the effect of this on the batteries/diodes. This process should have a capacitor that we can run other devices from or even the exciter itself. Even a low field intensity should produce tons of effects and amplify the swing of the signal these diodes tune to. Resonance should tune to the total resistance of the setup and the cap or caps should be selected based on total resistance of the setup via normal RLC calculations.

 At some point we are gonna have to start being exact with our formulas and methods. Not just a video of the process it took to make it but a detailed instruction to replicate our findings.

 I saw the video of John B showing the method of making a dual gated valve! This is the right method I am thinking to make these dual mode diodes/batteries. I will be starting the process to make one of these DGD. Dual Gated Diode. heh John just happens to make a thin film version. Not so much a battery then. When you have more internal structure or layers it starts to act like a Dual Gated Battery or DGB.

 I am wondering if we could do a process of carbon/silver plating/oxide layer/silver plating/oxide layer/silver plating/oxide layer. Would this be possible and would this build in a capacitance so to speak?
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #53 on: November 08, 2011, 03:09:14 PM »
 My ultimate goal is to use a Joule thief, a bedini curcuit with timer and large coils between the load and cells.

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« Reply #54 on: November 08, 2011, 04:14:10 PM »
My ultimate goal is to use a Joule thief, a bedini curcuit with timer and large coils between the load and cells.

 How about some old Tesla work like this: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7679.msg304873#new ???

 I'm  trusting that our tech will meld with this technology. Since our system will present a potential for this other system to amplify the output of our system and convert it to usable power based on our current system of electronics and electricity. Listen to the power requirements they need. Very little current and moderate voltage at 10 Volts. This should be attainable by our system and will extend it's power conversion to the max for very little cost that our diode/battery will provide.

 We got to understand that with the right fulcrum we can move tons of this medium we float in. We have established that there is an energy that we can detect with minute capabilities or resolution. Now it's time to learn just how much this small flow can amplify. This other system that is partly based off of Tesla's rotating field theory is a way to split off a charge through induction without feeding back to the source potential. The more efficient we get this to work the bigger movement we can cause from a small source. Think of this as a non-reflecting inductive diode! In one direction it flows but constricting space through the structure of the crystals. The reflecting bounce back is spread out laterally in a plane 90 degrees from the pyramidal base. So it squirts out in 90 degree disk from the individual crystalline structure defusing by the collisions with other pyramidal crystals. Ok try it this way. Look at the Great Pyramids. the planet has a potential inside of it. We form a mass to draw the potential in a constrictive method to the tip of the pyramid, raising the potential at the tip. This attracts the medium in a downward fashion because of the higher potential. The medium actually has a potential of it's own. This causes the flow downward and outward. When other Pyramids are around the bigger one they generate huge amounts of potential from that flow the bigger one caused. Also this flow can energize water because water is only condensed medium. Hence the walls around the bigger pyramids. When one adds a larger potential still in the pyramid you can stimulate great flows of the medium to become more pressurized or higher density increasing the mediums ability to do what it does.

 Our diodes work in the very same way except that we are using huge masses of aligned pyramids to control the separation of charges by 90 degrees, which would separate effectively the charges and reaction of the medium to the charges. As our device gets stronger the other technology gets stronger as well. We have two parts of the technology to harness the medium we float in and we should put them together now while we have time.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2011, 05:52:17 PM by jbignes5 »

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« Reply #55 on: November 08, 2011, 06:26:26 PM »
I have removed the short on the Elmer's glue, Salt substitute, Epsom salt cell. This cell has been shorted out since 8-12-11 and today is 11-8-11. I left the cell un-shorted over night so that it could recharge itself. The voltage on the cell is 1.404 Volts and the amps is 2 micro-amps. This is pretty good readings when you consider this cell has been shorted out for almost 3 months now and it only required one night to recharge back to this voltage. This shorted out cell is a small test cell to see how long the cell would last when given a short and its exceeded my expectations.

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« Reply #56 on: November 08, 2011, 09:52:10 PM »
 I now have 3 cells all different in design. The first is a borax alum and salt substitute in a cup with aluminum and graphite. The second is my attempt at IB's glue cell. Layer of glue then borax alum and salt substitute on a flat piece of aluminum with a graphite pencil lead. The third is another IB cell with just glue epsom salt and salt substitute.

 All three together producing in series 2.5 volts and running a white led!!!!

 Got one more glue cell to go and I should have some nice light. The on thing I found out IB is that when using graphite I just put borax first and quickly put the lead in before it starts to harden then add the rest. The epsom salt cells was a bit easier but the salt started sucking the water from the glue way to fast. I might have to mix up the espsom salts and salt substitute first then add it. I cooked both cells and it turned out well. The only thing is I have the lead and the foil and use the foil as negative and the lead as positive. No corrosion yet still shinny. I'll be doing a video once I get the last cell made then it is off to the jewel thief realm. or even just a pulsed led from the batteries themselves. no high voltage needed.

 *Note* joule thief wrecked the batteries. something went wrong. had to add the wet cell i had to rebuild the voltage. total voltage now is 3.7 volts resting. when running the led it settles at 2.6-2.62 volts. I have no idea what went wrong but the joule thief didn't work to well the way i set it up. I had it shorting out the battery and the led was across the collector and emitter. when I ran it before i had it hooked up the right way that joule thiefs run at and it ran ok but I tried the non standard way and it ate some of the cells voltage. I'm back to running plain Jane and it is holding up.

 I'm gonna leave the batteries over night to rebuild with a cap across it.
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« Reply #57 on: November 09, 2011, 02:42:15 PM »
The Elmer's glue, salt substitute and Epsom salt cell that I have had shorted out for almost 3 months now is still recharging itself back to normal since the short has been removed. Its now day two without the short and the cell is at 1.470 volts @ 6 micro-amps. This is a amazing, this cell has been shorted out for a long time but yet its regaining its voltage and amps. In-fact its at a higher voltage than it started with when it was made, the starting voltage was 1.412. If shorting the cell out for 3 months doesn't kill it than what will?

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« Reply #58 on: November 09, 2011, 03:03:35 PM »
 Any signs of deteriation?

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« Reply #59 on: November 09, 2011, 03:17:15 PM »
Any signs of deteriation?

Both metals show no corrosion under the glue but since the both metals are exposed to the air the copper has a oxide layer near the glue but the magnesium shows no oxide and looks like new. The oxide layer is due to the moisture in the air and this is why I spray paint all new cells. Since the glue dries clear i can see that the metals under the glue still look like new and the power bouncing back confirms the metals are fine. You would expect the copper to build a oxide layer because the statue of liberty has a oxide layer on it because its not protected from the moisture in the air.

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