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Offline ibpointless2

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2011, 12:26:21 PM »
I built two very small cells and I am getting great results. The cells are about 1 inch long and about 5/32's thick. There is very little mixture but I am still getting 1.16 volts each. This was a test to see if it is worth testing on a microscopic level. I believe the test warrants further testing at a microscopic level. The difference is my next testing will be with the use of plates insted of tubes and rods.
 Please note that my cells use no water or heat or any kind initial power to jump start them.

I would love to know the mixture.

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« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2011, 01:32:47 PM »
 Although the process works with plates I believe to make the best cell it will need to be round. This way the forces are centralized both electrical and physical. This will add to the toughness of the cells in both ways. But for testing purposes there is plenty of room for experimenting. Plates to me are harder to work with and since tubes or pipes are so readily available I'm gonna stick with those.

 I'll be heading to the hardware store soon to get the copper tube and magnesium ribbon<-if they have any.

 If not then maybe this site?? http://catalog.miniscience.com/catalog/metals/Magnesium.html

 Wow this site is awesome for high purity samples. They even have bismuth! Wow

 Ok back to the discussion. Try this information and see how you see the water issue... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_of_crystallization

 You know I have had a chance to start thinking about how water is just about everywhere in the universe. Even in space. This solvent you talk about is really the Aether. With water being a condensation of that solvent. Our views of energy have been skewed by our lust for money. You know we should have that same feeling twords living life first. It's funny how we forget that we are energy beings and since energy can never be destroyed, what does that say for our existence? we are like pupa stage in evolution and when this matter drops away we have learned that energy is eternal. Organization of that energy is a training thing over time. Out matter hold our energy into distinct patterns for so long that it trains the energy into patterns that hold even after this pupa stage dies.

 Now knowing that can you see how important water is? It is the condensate of the Universal Solvent we float in! It is the key to unlimited power and it is reusable to the nth degree. As long as you can contain it. I think you are right that you can never stop water from doing it's job unless you understand what water reacts to. I tried to show you that since the crystalline structure condenses around the water it literally traps the water inside via the static forces the crystalline structure provides. This water can move though. It has room to slide inside the structure. If you look at the studies presented earlier about the crystalline structure those were static representations. If we add movement to the lattice examples you would see that water can move one way or the other usually.

 There were experiments on this forum that talked about charging water with electrical stimulation. Well this is what we are doing with these batteries. think of it as a very organized bucket brigade. The flow is kept constant by the water charging, moving then discharging. Sometimes if the pull is too great on the water it will dissolve the structure and pass into the next cell. This is a bad thing! although I believe this process can heal as well. This is where higher currents come from unless you have more mass to handle the load. Like you have found out more mass = more power without stress damage.

 I think we need to get computer help to manage the power unit. Something that can control the process as we use it. An active control that manages the growth and health of these cells. If we computerize the environmental controls of the power unit we should get a better matrix to pull the energy we need from the Universal noise or waste product of all life in the Universe.

 We know these units are getting the power from the environment. Thats what the electrodes are for. We set up strings that are strummed by the Universe in between those electrodes and use half that power. Remember this is a diode.

 When John B talks about the oxide layer he is merely saying that we form a barrier of static potential on the metal and remember that the water responds to static potentials. This structure is only as strong as the metals potential. This is based on surface area and the geometry of the structure that forms on the metal. Like in electrolytic caps the oxide layer can self heal via the oxygen in the water inside of the crystal. Yes this can damage the electrode but not to a great extent if we manage the process and the oxygen can be replaced as well.

 These "batteries" (ACTIVE Diodes) will need a controlled environment to work to the fullest extent. An environment that is self contained and recycling. Also I believe that we will only be able to get a certain amount of energy out of a square foot of this process. So batteries will be bulky but super powerful at that point. I guess my best example would be the warp core on the StarTrek series. The core is pretty big and I think we are gonna need that kind of scale to get the power we need. The power is not voltage based but it is current based. Low voltage but super high current that we can convert to any potential value by induction coils or pulse circuits.

 I have a nagging suspicion that these diodes would respond to an external electric field like an exciter while they are running. Maybe like a resonate loop device. Get the right frequency and they go into overdrive. I have asked this before but has anyone exposed these diodes to the exciter fields? Has anyone looked at the diodes power on a scope to see if there is anything that we can determine about the frequency they put out?

 Has anyone tried Bismuth instead of magnesium or copper? That science place has 99.99% pure pellets for sale 1 pound for 35 dollars... Hmmm... http://shop.miniscience.com/navigation/detail.asp?id=BIPELL
 The desciption says the more the magnetic field it gets the higher the resistance of the metal. I think a resistance to this stuff would bring the pressure way high then all you would need to do is pulse the load from the resistance. Like a bypass to the resistance. My thinking is that if we have a minute flow it is still a flow and it biases the crystals on. As long as they flow they are capable of very high spurts in a very quick amount of time. John B showed that they are capable of huge bursts. I think others have said that they grow stronger with a load on them. Store them with resistors and they grow internally. Use them and they grow even more because they have to pull more in to replace what you use, charge wise.

 I wonder what would happen if we built these like silicon, with masking and nano fab techniques?????
« Last Edit: November 06, 2011, 03:37:40 PM by jbignes5 »

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2011, 04:24:48 PM »
  The analogy of the cells being similar to an electrolytic capacitor is valid.
The reason these celld, as well as capacitors, diodes, red and infrared leds, and possibly other components can produce a voltage and current as well, is all due to the same reason. Which is external to the cells, is due to the field energies created by the vortex of this planet, which is a sub vortex of the Master Vortex of our Solar System, which is also in another bigger vortex yet. It is these field energies we need to harvest, and not the galvanic self destructing reaction.
   There is nothing in heaven or Earth that can produce an output perpetually without a perpetual input. That input is the Aether, which the capacitor and other component mentioned are able to use and separate into a positive and negative pole that we call a dipole. That is the working principal of these cells. The degree that they can conduct this input, is determined not just by the electronegative ratings of the metals, or carbon, but also on the ion concentration and ion flux rate and ability of the electrolytic materials.
  When we use water, salts, acid, or alkaline substances we are altering the cells ability to transfer that Aether fed input, and it becomes something else, the galvanic reaction. 
  Weather semiconductors have a place in these cells or not is to be determined, in time. I feel that they will allow us to further improve the output, in time.
   The amount of voltage that a non-galvanic cell can produce up to now has been very limited, to just a few miliamps, as compare to regular batteries. Even an AA battery can produce 3 amps. which would take many of our non galvanic cells to to produce or replicate that output.
But the proof of the ability of our cells to convert Aether into usable power, is seen in there ability to not ever need a charge and that they never totally discharge. This ability is not seen in a regular battery, as we all know. Point being that these are not batteries and are not galvanic, even though the galvanic reaction can play a role if liquids or even air (oxygen) are present.
  I hope that I'm not boring anyone.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2011, 06:13:27 PM »
I would love to know the mixture.

 It's just Epson salt, salt substitute and Elmers glue. I would have used Alum but you have to heat it and I dont want to build any cells you need to add excessive energy to. Atleast not yet.
 I am a really busy person with 4 differnt business's I run. Two of which are 24 hour towing companys. I had seen the results you were all getting so I thought I would see for myself since it was simple and I found it does work. I will try and start devoting some time to this trying different mixtures and different cell materials but I just can't commit much time to it at this time. John had said that the smaller the cell, the better and that is why I will be working with the smallest I can build.
 Keep up the good work and note that I appluad you for what you have done thus far.


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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2011, 06:19:59 PM »
 I forgot to mention that I used 5/32's aluminum tube and a copper rod that I picked up at Hobby Lobby.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2011, 10:55:04 PM »
In my research I have found many great tutorials on doping and semiconductors. I wanted to put them in all one place for easy looking up.

 Doping: http://www.tpub.com/neets/book7/24e.htm
 Bismuth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bismuth

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2011, 01:44:31 PM »
I've got some good news and I got some bad news about the big blue Crystal glue cell i've made.

The good news is that the big blue is the best, most powerful cell i have made and it still is powering my LCD clock like its nothing.

The bad news is the meter I was using in the video to show the amps is crap. I've retested all my cells with a new meter and found that the meter I was using gave false amp readings but the volt readings were correct. This really sucks and I feel embarrassed. Even though the Big blue cell is the best output of any cell I've made so far I still feel like I've taken a step back. The latest video said that the big blue cell was at .400 amps resting but my new amp meter is says its at .400mA resting. All i have to say now is to not buy Ideal multi-meters because they're crap.

Sorry If i've gotten anyone's hopes up. But the good news is the big blue cell is still the most powerful cell i've made and powers a pulse motor and LCD clock just fine. I will be making a even bigger one and will also make a how to video to show whats the best way to make the cells.

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« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2011, 02:54:46 PM »
 I was thinking something didn't sound right with your amp readings. The .400 mA sounds about right. In my research, I find that to be about the average which still isn't bad especially when you get about the same with smaller cells. That is why I am focussing on building the smallest cells I can for compact reasons when so many are tied together to get some real power.

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« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2011, 04:35:21 PM »
   @ Ib2:
  Thanks for the explanation of the high meter readings. I was trying to get a grasp on what was happening, and scratching my head.
  My meter a small analog meter has also seen better days. And I'll have to replace it also
 So, for now I can't tell what my version of your last blue cell will read.
But so far is is not outputting much over one volt and maybe 10 to 20 mAs.
 It was made on a 1/4 in brass rod, aluminum wire wrapped around it, with glue and table salt as the electrolyte. The cell has been on and lighting two leds all night, it is connected along with some of my carbon/ galvanized iron tube cells that uses wood carbon/quartz electrolyte inside, with a thick copper spiral as the anode. So far the blue type cell, which I'll call the my glue/salt cell from now on, is working and has the advantage of now needing to be watered to run, but is not as strong as the other cells, that use no water or salts. 
  Although the new glue/salt cell does work, it is not putting out more than when I wet the cloth separator is has between the metal layers, before, when taking readings before putting the glue on the outside of the cell. It is now covered with the salt/glue mix, and still drying a bit more, now about three days old today.
   

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« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2011, 04:52:51 PM »
NickZ,

When you talk about the glue-salt cells are talking about a glue cell that has table salt or a glue cell that has Epsom salt and salt substitute? A cell containing table salt vs a cell containing Epsom salt and salt substitute are two very different cells. A cell that only has table salt in it makes for a very weak cell, usually gives under 600mV when using copper and magnesium and amp readings in the pico-amp range. A cell that has salt substitute and Epsom salt gives a voltage above 1.300 volts and a amp reading in the mico-amp rage.

What are the cells you said you make that don't need water or salt, where can i get info on them so i can build one?


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« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2011, 05:59:09 PM »
   @ Steve:
   As I've mentioned many times, I am not using Epsom, or salt substitute because I can't find them where I live. At least not yet, as I am far from civilization and cities. Nor are those products commonly used much here.
   My version of your glue cell had been already made before, and has been tested before this last test. Before my meter died.
  I understand that you have not gotten good results from using just table salt.  As I've also explained my other version of the glue blob cell is still working after some months now, using just glue and table salt, and some other cells as well. Even my E-poxy table salt cells works, even though some people like B_rads did not get his E-poxy cell working.
   I realize that I am not following your formula, but the main reason that I even made it is to test the encasement of the glue/salt mix with the protective glue, to see how well that will work out.  I find that even though I add a second coat of glue, the salt leaches right through it too. So, I'll wait some days to place a third coat of just glue on top. This is to avoid the cell absorbing additional water like a sponge. Humidity here is about 85%, and higher sometimes. So, your conditions compared to mine can be  totally different.  As you've asked me to follow up on the performance of the cell that I've made, I am relaying what I find, even though I have no meter working at this time, and am using a different set up. This is only a test.
  If you really want to make some of the Quartz/Carbon cells as I've made, you can watch my video. And replace the battery materials that were used before with B.B.Q charcoal, and pencil leads.  As I don't recommend that anyone open the old batteries, at all. Even though I still get good results from those cells still.
  I am still just playing with this design to see what can be done without any water, salts, alkaline, bleach, doping, or heat, etz... And as there are many types of carbon as well as quartz, and different carbon rods, or copper electrode design, it takes time to test the different options.  As this type of cell is not galvanic they don't normally output as much as the one that are. So, I make them bigger to compensate for this.
  One thing that I can say is that if the carbon that you decide to use does not conduct well, it won't work in these cells. 

  My first and only video:
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIx8qYgZCP8
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« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2011, 06:25:34 PM »
  Just wanted to clear up an errror that I made in saying the the salt/glue cell is needing water to run. That should read: Does NOT need any additional water to run. Sorry 'bout that, I didn't want any confusion there.


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« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2011, 06:35:29 PM »
  Just wanted to clear up an errror that I made in saying the the salt/glue cell is needing water to run. That should read: Does NOT need any additional water to run. Sorry 'bout that, I didn't want any confusion there.


Ohh, glad you clear that up. Thats why I was concern about the salt vs Epsom salt and salt substitute thing because I know my cell don't need water. I thought you were using water to get power and it didn't sound right, glad you posted this. I've made the glue and salt cell before and got under a volt from it and it still has voltage on it even though its over 2 months old now. What metal you use is very important too. I use to use copper and aluminum on a glue-table salt cell but it gave little power so i stop working with it until i got magnesium ribbon which helped out a lot. I still have a original glue-table salt cell that uses copper and aluminum that was created on 5-15-11 and it still gives some voltage.

I'm glad to see you working on the glue-table salt cell. Its amazing to see these cells work without adding water to them. The glue-table salt cell should last for a good bit of time so long as you don't get the metals wet.  :)

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« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2011, 06:49:57 PM »
@IB Sorry to hear about your meter but I too have lost functioning of the amp portion of mine. Mine is a Cen-Tech meter and is rather cheap version. Digital meters are terrible for these experiments like John said. I have an old analog that I am getting ready to use for these experiments.

 *update on my first battery/diode. Going great for the materials that I have chosen. Aluminum foil inside a plastic jar with a pencil lead(graphite). The readings are .8 volts initial then drops to .5 and holds there. The reason for the low reading is the mass of the aluminum is very small. When I do my next version I'll try an aluminum pipe with two kinds of electrodes.

I just picked up two different electrode materials to increase the mass of the center electrode. 5.6mm graphite leads and Real carbon sticks, not graphite or charcoal but real carbon. Oh and I got Elmer's glue too to replicate IB's glue cells. Ok now for the metals. Magnesium might not be so easy to get but I'll have to order that online. Copper and aluminum should be very easy for me to get here so I should have them soon.

 Nick if you could go over your aluminum, carbon and quartz sand battery that would be great as I wanted to do one of those as well! What I mean is the current version.
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« Reply #44 on: November 07, 2011, 08:45:07 PM »
     I understand that you have not gotten good results from using just table salt.  As I've also explained my other version of the glue blob cell is still working after some months now, using just glue and table salt, and some other cells as well. Even my E-poxy table salt cells works, even though some people like B_rads did not get his E-poxy cell working.
 
Nick,
The solid, waterless mix that I tried was a casting resin (liquid plastic) and this is a non-conductive binder.  In order for this to work, the binder needs to be conductive as the mix will be completely covered in the binder and the electrons need a way to escape the crystal lattice.  Elmer's Glue All is a pretty good conductor.  Any conductive material should work as long as it is not destructive to the metals.  For grins and giggles, put your mix in gelatin (or JELLO) and watch it go to work.  Super cell, but it does not last long as there is a good bit of water in the mix.  You might try making a paste with your conductive grease and see what happens.  The grease should prevent any water from entering or exiting the crystal lattice.
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