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Offline jbignes5

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2011, 01:34:44 AM »

 N ick Both if not all the guys doing work here are using crystals. It doesn't matter if it is a salt or not. Salts are easier to rearrange and are not hard locked into matter like say silica's and carbon. But I do listen nick. Here is the wiki stuff about carbon: "Carbon is the 15th most abundant element in the Earth's crust, and the fourth most abundant element in the universe by mass after hydrogen, helium, and oxygen. It is present in all known life forms, and in the human body carbon is the second most abundant element by mass (about 18.5%) after oxygen.[14] ****This abundance, together with the unique diversity of organic compounds and their unusual **polymer-forming ability at the temperatures commonly encountered on Earth**, make this element the chemical basis of all known life."

The salts are to get my feet wet and to see if the output is limited by the material we use to form the network in these batteries.

 I know about Lasersabers work and have been following his progress as he goes along. He was the original experimenter to further our understanding of this process.

 I too believe carbon is a key in the ultimate battery. As I go along I will be trying many of these formula's including yours. Also what do you get when you super compress the carbon? A crystal forms? Hmmm.. I's always been about crystals really.

 Case in point they now suspect that they found an actual planet sized diamond that was inside of a star. Wow who would have seen that coming? *points to himself* That Diamond was the valve to open a flow of energy that we could not even understand. Imagine whats inside our sun? Although the diamond they found in the old star was the size of Jupiter it goes to show us that there is matter stuck in a hole so to speak. Reference: http://newyork.ibtimes.com/articles/204033/20110825/pulsar-diamond-planet-white-dwarf.htm .

 Imagine this. There are super huge black holes in the center of our galaxy. These Black holes chew up matter and funnel the energy away beyond our ability to detect it's speed. This energy forms conduits of this energy that spin and twist. I think these conduits go from center to outer of our galactic disk. Now these conduits attract matter to them and they are not perfect conduits. They break open and spew out huge balls of energy. One such ball is our sun. Matter is also attracted to this outlet and gets accelerated twords the opening. Now think about the other matter piling on this first mater that stuck to it. It gets tremendous energy and huge amounts of pressure as the matter keeps piling on. This forms a crystal. This crystal is pyramidal in shape and is actually acting like a spray nozzle.

 To be continued.

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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2011, 02:34:04 AM »
   Ib:
   I think that you are misinterpreting what I've said.  I have heard you mention your views before, and am not contradicting them, as your seam to think. Nor am I saying that your type of glue cells are running on water, because it is trapped inside the cell. So, please chill out, or not,  it's up to you. But I am on your side, so no need to argue...
  What I am saying is that although most other cells may be galvanic in nature, and even air can act as an electrolyte, it is your original use of the glue, which makes a difference compared to the Hutchinson mix. As well as the salt substitute Epsom combination. But that its the glue that protects the metals, from the moisture, and not the salts. Nor are salts absolutely needed as an electrolyte, as I've gotten by without them, and still able to light an led on one cell alone, with no oscillator needed.
  Although you may think that you've dried the glue cell because it is rock hard, there is still some water in it, not that that is what is making the cell function.
  The point is to make a cell that will last a long time, and is not galvanic,  so that it does not consume itself. Which you may have done, and I have also. As I don't use any water or any salts at all, and still get an output. So, what I'm saying is that it does not have to take water or even salts to create the output, but it does take ambient energies and two different metals, or carbon.  Without those things there is no output, regardless of liquids, moisture, salts or anything else, as that is the true cause of why the cells work in a non galvanic way. 

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2011, 02:39:16 PM »

I would like for you to prove to me how water is trapped in my cells.

The very reason why my the glue cell work is not due to the glue or the water that's in the glue. You can make my cells without the glue. The biggest reason why my glue cell works is due to Salt substitute and Epsom salt together mixing as one crystal, you can't just use one of the salts you need both or it will produce very weak and useless cells.

I've done countless testing on the glue cells. Do you how I know that my cells don't have water? One way I've found out is that if you have 5 grams of glue and let it dry it drops to 2 grams, which means that 3 grams of Elmer's glue is water. I use that ratio when making a cells, this is how I know a cell is dry. Also if you have ever made the actual crystal glue cell you would notice that it will reject all the water that's in it when you mix the salt substitute and Epsom salt. Its not the salts that cause oxidation its the water. To say that water is trapped in my cell is flawed because if water was still trapped in the glue then there would be no need for the salts or better yet since Epsom salt has 7 water molecules i could just use Epsom salt and Elmer's glue but it doesn't work that way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb-CiuuSP8Y

What makes the Crystal glue cell so special is that no water is needed for it to run. Water is the reason why cells die and that is because water is the universal solvent ( can destroy anything). Avoid water and you get a cell that last for a long time. This is what makes Bedini's cells flawed, he needs water to make them run. There is no semi-conductor action in Bedini's carbonate crystal cells, its a very fancy galvanic battery. In-fact bedini carbonate crystal cells cells have been done before http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrQAT9z0ASI

John Hutchinson is either a fake or not telling us something. Marcus Reid won't tell us nothing so who knows? This whole semi-conductor thing has gotten a little out of hand, What powers most everyone's cells is a galvanic reaction due to the water. If you cells still works after its been dried for a week, been spray painted fully and still has its original voltage after a month then you have a real crystal cells and not a galvanic battery.

 I can't say that I agree more with you IB. John H, John B and Marcus Reid are following their own path and likewise have their own agendas as well. We, of course, are not sheep. So lets try to keep this on track ok?

 I too believe all of them are relying on water to perform their magic and some of it is great magic, don't get me wrong. Just because water is involved does not make it a bad thing. When you protect the electrodes with oxides the energy is allowed to pass without contact of the water to the metal. So that is a viable avenue to be exploring.

 But my direction has always been crystals. Even when I was a kid I had made myself a wand out of a copper tube and double ended crystal I bought from a store. It didn't do magic but it sure felt funny in my hand without it's leather covering and now I am starting to understand why.

 I will be doing all the experiments you guys have been doing. Nick it's just that IB's stuff is easier to get atm, so it's first on the table. Also I think what you are doing is great. It shows that the concept is solid enough to work without water in the process. But I am starting to think water has a lot to do with this even when you think it is not. Water is in just about everything or it is in the process of making the crystals we are using. Yes even quartz to a certain extent has water to evolve it to what it is today. Even the carbon you are using was in the process that created the carbon you are using so water is related even in an indirect way.

 Crystals themselves have big time water in them. If not then some other fluid which usually changes the color of the crystal. Crystals act visually the same way as water. crystals tend to have ultimate resolution because they are constructed in a pressurized way. Even when made in water the pressure of the water tank works in the same way as compacting via another way like carbon in a special vice. So water in some way is always involved in the process at one time or another.

 This is not related to water maybe but have a gander at a gold nano particle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Twin2.jpg

 I don't believe it is very important as to what the material is besides a strength component. But from this view gold still has spaces in it. And this is where I think the water component comes in. I say water component because there is something in water that everything uses to form it's structure, it's just easier to say water atm but I think it is a sub component of water that is responsible for everything having spaces in it. You could say it is what we float in. Even space itself has this sub component in it just in a lower density then what is around our planet. It seems matter has a counter part. Not anti matter per say but a complimentary component that lets matter have force through distance! This counter component seems to be a transmitter of matters trapped energy. We can not measure this stuff because it defies our probes for information. It moves before we can react hence why it doesn't seem to be there but it is there. We know it is there because of the effects we observe. Static Induction and electric fields are it's proof.

 More on Carbon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYkyUqUa6vU&feature=related

 But it seems crystals and the lattice they provide might be capable of doing more then carbon since when the carbon is squished it turns non conductive. Carbon might be a no win situation.

 Reviewing the crystal structure might help you understand why I think the crystal structure might be a better avenue.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm-i1c7zr6Q&feature=related
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Du4zI4GJ0&feature=related

 The first video is part one and deals with the structure of crystals and the network it provides. The second one deals with certain types of matter related to the crystal structure.
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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2011, 05:35:32 PM »
  What I have been trying to relay is that it is not the water, crystals, glue, saltz, or metals that are the source of the energy.  And that there is more to these cells than a galvanic reaction based on liquids, and the dissolution of metal. That is the only reason that I mention it. I am certainly not trying to get anybody to make my type of cells, nor is that my aim. It is only in pointing out the cause of the power, which has to do with what is external to all cells and materials.  So, it does not depend on them to make an led light.  I will give more proof of this in the future. But for now just keep in mind that like B_rads has shown, even just carbon/carbon cells can produce an output, even with no metals, and no water.
  The reason that I bring up the semiconductor cell idea, is because it is working on a different type of reaction entirely. And I feel that that can be of great benefit, in obtaining a much higher output, than what has been done even up to now, by John B, Hutchinson, Reid, etz... We are really in the infancy of this type of cell. Again not that I'm trying to guide anyone in that direction, it is only my opinion, as seeing that the rest of the electronics industry has already utilized the semiconductor in an amazing way.  So, no need to argue the point, as I am only making an opinion based on my reasonings, and on what I seen and done. As I've worked in the electronics business for almost 20 years, and not just making these different types of cells.
   


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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2011, 05:54:04 PM »
I don't think that any type of real semi-conductor action is happening with anyone's cells. Its true the oxide layer makes a semi-conductor but in the presence of water it is a water battery. The oxide layer doesn't stop the corrosion it only slows it down. If oxide layer did stop corrosion than aluminum would never corrode due to aluminum having a layer of oxide on it when its exposed to air.

The best way to make a cell last for a long time is to avoid water. Water will corrode anything no matter if it has a oxide layer on it. I only say this from all the testing i've done, if your cell needs water to run than it will more than likely corrode and die. But it is true that you can't fully get away from the water due to the crystals having water in the lattice but the biggest thing is if you cell needs constant water to run than its a water battery. I'm not saying who's wrong or right, just stating what my experimentation has shown me.
We all are making great progress and must keep pushing forward.  :)

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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2011, 08:23:01 PM »
 I know what you guys are saying but water is used in the process to setup the matrix. After the water has done it's job it should evaporate from the structure. Water is not used in the process after the setup of the structure. But I think that you can grow a better structure as the crystal forms inside of the mix. Like some have noticed you can drop water on it little by little and it it should dissolve the structure and reform it making better connections. This process can be seen in the bones when they break. The healing process bridges the break and forms a harder connection at the break. This could be a way to grow better crystal channels through a battery like this is. Eventually water would be no use at all to the process.

 I am gonna attempt to do this and see if I can grow a battery stronger in that process.

 I have started a battery with aluminum around a carbon electrode (pencil lead)

 The mix is 1 teaspoon of borax to 1/2 teaspoon alum and 1/2 teaspoon salt substitute.

 I mixed the whole mess in a small cup really well before adding to the container for the battery. Then I inserted the carbon electrode and added hot water till it was even with the mix. This I set aside to dry out a bit for a week I am guessing.

 Right away it has .5 volts but that is with the water. And this is not heat treated at all yet. I do plan on baking the unit till it flows as well but that will be down the road. I'm just using the water to set the unit up in a rough way, like concrete. Then I will bake it like an electrete is made. Baking the unit will also drive most of the moisture out of it as well.

 I am wondering if shorting out the cell while baking will allow it to form extra channels and lock them in that way, like we make magnets?

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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2011, 10:01:44 PM »

 I am wondering if shorting out the cell while baking will allow it to form extra channels and lock them in that way, like we make magnets?


you know i've wondered about that too?

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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2011, 10:33:17 PM »
    Guys:
   I also don't know what to think about the use of water, or if it can really be avoided without it getting locked into the structure of the cell.
My cement cells are getting close to a year old, and are still working, although with 1/2 of the 70 mAs that they started with. It may not be entirely possible or desirable to dry out some of these cells, even in an oven, as I've tried that, and they still work, or by shorting them out.  So there is more than galvanics here, or just "advanced galvanics", there is more to it.
  The red led as well as the infrared led as an example, can both produce a current that has nothing to do with galvanics, so, it is possible to have an output that is not galvanics related from semiconductor materials.
 The fact that some cells still need water to reactivate them, is showing that we are not there yet, or they would not need the additional water.
My Carbon/Quartz cells do not use additional water, although there may still be some water trapped inside their structure also. Carbon can be easily dried in an oven, and then further sealed in a cell before it can absorb any moisture.
  Once salts are melted and cooled they lose some of their water, and  become more like a rock, instead of a crystal, even though they can start to recrystalize if water or moisture is present, to some degree, as Alum will do.
But, this is getting out of my very limited area of knowledge.
 
Ib:
   I think that what you're doing in using the glue-salts mix as a dry electrolyte is very interesting, since there is no additional separation between the two electrodes, and the mix covers both. If this works without any oxidation, as you've mentioned, and with no dropping of the output over time, as most cell will do, that is really something, and needs further looking into to develop.
  The reason that most cell lose their original output levels is not entirely related to the break down of the metals. As this can happen in a matter of hours. As certain ions such as the hydrogen ions get attracted or stuck to the anode and build up a restrictive layer there that does not allow further current through, forming an obstruction to the ion flow.  The use of the carbonates in the mix may help this to some degree, although Lidmotors last test are showing that carbonate cells have shown a drop in output, also. John B is getting 250 mA from his cells, does show some merit though, as no one has obtained that high an output or able to maintain at 30 mA under load. He did mention having to add some drops of water. I don't know if that relates to all his cells, or just the ones with watering holes in them.
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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2011, 10:54:08 PM »
@nickz

I have some cement cells that still work but are at a much lower power than with what they started with. This also reminds me of any battery, even when the battery is dead its still got power. I've never seen a AA battery at 0 volts before, they all seem to have some charge in them. The question is what is this charge? I've done test before on lead acid batteries that were dead and I left them shorted out for a long time but they would never reach 0 volts. I think every battery has some magic in it that goes un-noticed. But I passed this off as being something that i'll never understand.

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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2011, 10:55:38 PM »
 It might not do what I expect on second thought. Equalizing the metal electrodes might make it worse. I guess thats what experimenting is all about...

 Now I really think we need to sit down and play with these both in mixture and methods of creating the diode like structures. Maintaining the structures  after they have been made is another later on problem.

 IB how did you make your big sealed battery in a concise step by step explanation? Since that is the most current I have ever saw coming from these batteries including John B's. You have something there and we need to explore that way first.

 If I remember you had a copper pipe in the center? Why is that? What was your thinking there?

 Don't get the wrong impression. I am thinking that is probably the best way to get an even charge to the copper mass. That is probably the best idea yet. My thinking is that the medium flows through the tube contacting all the internal surface and increases the interaction strength with the improved ambient charge flow.

 One of the thing I hear you saying a lot is how the water does it magic once it is locked in it's structure. Well the water is still free to move in that structure. It has breathing room so to speak. So the water sloshes back and forth in that structure changing the potentials of each face of the structure.
 Remember water reacts to static potentials ie. charged comb next to water stream will bend the stream slightly. That must mean water has a static field as well like any other matter or in some way conducts static fields.

 Think about how magnets are made and you will see the parallels I am trying to draw between the two processes. Just from what you guys have done already proves you are setting up diode like channels in the matter of the crystals that block one way and allow the opposite way. Although the channels are weak they add up. More pumps in series the stronger the current. Parallel doesn't seem to do anything with these batteries and I know why. Think about diodes and how they work. The more you have in series the better the ability to resist the reverse flow. In our case the reverse flow is the resistance to pressure or load. I hope that helps to further your understanding.

 I want to take you back to our experiments with the Captret. In fact this is the same process as we are doing here. The battery is replaced by the electrodes. In the Captret it used a quasi battery already, the electrolytic capacitor. What we have done is copy that method but we are using the difference between two metals in the ambient environment to supply the potential difference instead of the battery. We never could loose the stigma of illegitimate operation because we used a battery. Even though my battery never lost one volt the captret could not keep the diode like formation inside of it for long and lost the ability to provide a load substantial flow because the crystals in the electrolytic were not locked in.

 At least you are making headway in that direction by replacing the battery with something that will never loose it's charge if you can protect the matter that is providing the potentials. You are very correct in your assumptions that a galvanic reaction is bad in this situation. But I beg to differ with you that an oxide layer can not protect the metals. When water is locked into the structure and only used inductively how can the water even touch the metal? We know tons about static induction but never thought It could do what we needed. From what you have seen from your own experiments, has your ideas changed about this process now? The oxide layer is made in much the same way as the water example but the water is not so dense in this case it is air. The crystal formation of the oxide layer is made from a lot of heat(charges) and the medium is the air. Air is just water broken right? Well replace what we are doing here with the water video and you will see the parallel, I hope. The organization of the crystalline lattice is controlled by the metal itself or grown from the metal. Think of the metal as a seed crystal and a source of matter for this process.

 Another avenue to understand this process is this one: http://crystalradio.net/minerals/index.shtml

 The only reason they are using oxides is because of the type of crystals they are using. Ones with tons of water will kill the electrodes if they are not protected. So maybe the answer is to use Nicks process and nix the water all together??
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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2011, 03:10:03 AM »
  I have not been able to obtain the steady 450mA or so, of current like the Ib's Blue Cell has gotten and can also maintain under the load of the meter.
So I think that the process that he is using that enables such high current levels without oxidation needs to be looked into. As nobody has gotten that high a reading before, especially from such a small cell. 
  I will make a cell tomorrow that will use a solid brass 1/4" rod and aluminum wire wrapped around the rod. As I don't have Epsom, I will use just  plain table salt and white glue mix, for now, and see what happens. I'm interested in seeing if the glue-salt mix can be applied and work properly without any other separator between the two metals. I will cover the whole outside aluminum wire cathode with a second coat of just the glue to seal the first layer. Once you mix the glue with the table salt you only have a minute or so before it heats up fairly hot, and hardens.
  Regular salt absorbs water like a sponge, even my E-poxy/salt cells were practically dripping water after some days, which is why they are working now, but not at first. It's hard to avoid galvanics when there is water present, as it over powers the non-galvanic action that is happening at the same time.  I will look for the Epsom/salt substitute when I can though, as I'm real into get some amps... instead of milliAmps

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« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2011, 04:22:49 AM »
  I have not been able to obtain the steady 450mA or so, of current like the Ib's Blue Cell has gotten and can also maintain under the load of the meter.
So I think that the process that he is using that enables such high current levels without oxidation needs to be looked into. As nobody has gotten that high a reading before, especially from such a small cell. 
  I will make a cell tomorrow that will use a solid brass 1/4" rod and aluminum wire wrapped around the rod. As I don't have Epsom, I will use just  plain table salt and white glue mix, for now, and see what happens. I'm interested in seeing if the glue-salt mix can be applied and work properly without any other separator between the two metals. I will cover the whole outside aluminum wire cathode with a second coat of just the glue to seal the first layer. Once you mix the glue with the table salt you only have a minute or so before it heats up fairly hot, and hardens.
  Regular salt absorbs water like a sponge, even my E-poxy/salt cells were practically dripping water after some days, which is why they are working now, but not at first. It's hard to avoid galvanics when there is water present, as it over powers the non-galvanic action that is happening at the same time.  I will look for the Epsom/salt substitute when I can though, as I'm real into get some amps... instead of milliAmps

I highly advise you to not use table salt and stick with Epsom salt and salt substitute. Using a lot of metal is key to amps.

But if you do use table salt let us know how it works out for you.


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« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2011, 04:35:29 AM »
It might not do what I expect on second thought. Equalizing the metal electrodes might make it worse. I guess thats what experimenting is all about...

 Now I really think we need to sit down and play with these both in mixture and methods of creating the diode like structures. Maintaining the structures  after they have been made is another later on problem.

 IB how did you make your big sealed battery in a concise step by step explanation? Since that is the most current I have ever saw coming from these batteries including John B's. You have something there and we need to explore that way first.

 If I remember you had a copper pipe in the center? Why is that? What was your thinking there?

 Don't get the wrong impression. I am thinking that is probably the best way to get an even charge to the copper mass. That is probably the best idea yet. My thinking is that the medium flows through the tube contacting all the internal surface and increases the interaction strength with the improved ambient charge flow.

 One of the thing I hear you saying a lot is how the water does it magic once it is locked in it's structure. Well the water is still free to move in that structure. It has breathing room so to speak. So the water sloshes back and forth in that structure changing the potentials of each face of the structure.
 Remember water reacts to static potentials ie. charged comb next to water stream will bend the stream slightly. That must mean water has a static field as well like any other matter or in some way conducts static fields.

 Think about how magnets are made and you will see the parallels I am trying to draw between the two processes. Just from what you guys have done already proves you are setting up diode like channels in the matter of the crystals that block one way and allow the opposite way. Although the channels are weak they add up. More pumps in series the stronger the current. Parallel doesn't seem to do anything with these batteries and I know why. Think about diodes and how they work. The more you have in series the better the ability to resist the reverse flow. In our case the reverse flow is the resistance to pressure or load. I hope that helps to further your understanding.

 I want to take you back to our experiments with the Captret. In fact this is the same process as we are doing here. The battery is replaced by the electrodes. In the Captret it used a quasi battery already, the electrolytic capacitor. What we have done is copy that method but we are using the difference between two metals in the ambient environment to supply the potential difference instead of the battery. We never could loose the stigma of illegitimate operation because we used a battery. Even though my battery never lost one volt the captret could not keep the diode like formation inside of it for long and lost the ability to provide a load substantial flow because the crystals in the electrolytic were not locked in.

 At least you are making headway in that direction by replacing the battery with something that will never loose it's charge if you can protect the matter that is providing the potentials. You are very correct in your assumptions that a galvanic reaction is bad in this situation. But I beg to differ with you that an oxide layer can not protect the metals. When water is locked into the structure and only used inductively how can the water even touch the metal? We know tons about static induction but never thought It could do what we needed. From what you have seen from your own experiments, has your ideas changed about this process now? The oxide layer is made in much the same way as the water example but the water is not so dense in this case it is air. The crystal formation of the oxide layer is made from a lot of heat(charges) and the medium is the air. Air is just water broken right? Well replace what we are doing here with the water video and you will see the parallel, I hope. The organization of the crystalline lattice is controlled by the metal itself or grown from the metal. Think of the metal as a seed crystal and a source of matter for this process.

 Another avenue to understand this process is this one: http://crystalradio.net/minerals/index.shtml

 The only reason they are using oxides is because of the type of crystals they are using. Ones with tons of water will kill the electrodes if they are not protected. So maybe the answer is to use Nicks process and nix the water all together??


I used a copper tube because it gave a good surface area to work with.

The only time water is important in my cells is when they're first made. The water in Elmer's glue allows the Epsom salt and salt substitute to combine, this combining makes for the real magic. You then must allow for the water to evaporate, this is why i say wait 12 or 24 hours.

Once the cell is dry, some cell can take up to a week to dry, than no more water is needed for it to run and at this point you can spray paint the cell to further protect it.

There is nothing special about the big blue cell, sorry to lead people on. Don't get me wrong its the most powerful cell i have made so far and runs my LCD clock and pulse motor just fine. The big blue cell is just Elmer's glue with Epsom salt and salt substitute mix together and placed on a copper tube wrapped with magnesium ribbon ( both metals separated by hot glue). The more metal you use the more amps you get. 

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« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2011, 05:01:52 AM »
   Ib2:
  Ok, thanks for letting us know about the hot glue separating the two metals from a short circuit, very important point.
 I already have the brass rod ready made with an cloth separator between the rod and the aluminum wire wrapping, so, I'll just pour the regular salt/ glue mix on top of that, for now. I'll get your salt mix going soon as I can, but I'm far away from a grocery that carries the salt substitute, or pharmacy with Epsom.
 I was wondering about the separator layer as you had not mentioned it before, and I didn't know if it was going to work without it. Now I know...

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« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2011, 11:12:08 AM »
 I built two very small cells and I am getting great results. The cells are about 1 inch long and about 5/32's thick. There is very little mixture but I am still getting 1.16 volts each. This was a test to see if it is worth testing on a microscopic level. I believe the test warrants further testing at a microscopic level. The difference is my next testing will be with the use of plates insted of tubes and rods.
 Please note that my cells use no water or heat or any kind initial power to jump start them.

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